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Nilson, 12.09.2006 14:22

I suggest you share your experience of mounting insects on dies. Especially interested in manipulations with insects when pasting on triangles, namely the sequence of actions. Sometimes conversations on this topic appear in various branches. I always put beetles and webs on PVA (or some advanced analog) and on a triangle under the lower right side., in rare cases-glue in the center of the chest for families whose ventral part is not particularly needed for identification. And I never completely glue it to the record. The die is a thick white paper, almost cardboard. Here I found a quantitative method, a kind of scale for evaluating the installation of chalcides into triangles:
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/research-curation/pro...s/mounting.html
in English, however. In principle, it is suitable for almost all other small and medium-sized insects.

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12.09.2006 15:46, Bad Den

Interesting scale. I just didn't understand what angle is meant by "side" or "keel" smile.gif

13.09.2006 8:36, Nilson

And the length of the die? And why under the left side? What's wrong with water-soluble adhesives?

13.09.2006 11:05, Bad Den

And the length of the die? And why under the left side? What's wrong with water-soluble adhesives?

The flag length is about 7 mm. I cut manually, "by eye".

And why under the right one? smile.gif
To be honest, it's just that they were pasted like this at the university - I decided a long time ago that this was the right thing to do

Water-soluble adhesives are bad, in my opinion, because when soaking in a desiccator (what if you need to prepare your genitals?) insects can come loose.

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13.09.2006 21:19, RippeR

I use PVA. I glue on rectangular dies, it's more convenient for me. A drop of glue approximately on the midrib or abdomen. If on a triangle, then on sternites.
My friend glued like this: he took a thick transparent oilcloth and glued an insect on it. if you take it and look at it with a microscope, you can see everything, because the oilcloth is not cloudy and everything was clearly visible through it.

14.09.2006 2:54, Shofffer

And I glue on triangles from Coca-Cola bottles. tongue.gif
They are also quite transparent. PVA glue is also usually used for sternites.
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14.09.2006 14:42, Nilson

And all sorts of insecticides do not corrode transparent plastic? In ZINA, they etch a lot, maybe that's why I almost didn't see any transparent plates there.

14.09.2006 16:26, Shofffer

Insecticides do not corrode. The main disadvantage is that PVA holds worse than cardboard, so it is better to lubricate the triangle not only on one side, but also on the sides, and sometimes on the other side.

PS As far as I know, in ZINA they do not poison, but use a freezer.
I've never seen poisons in boxes there.

15.09.2006 15:56, Bad Den

And I glue on triangles from Coca-Cola bottles. tongue.gif
They are also quite transparent. PVA glue is also usually used for sternites.

PVC gets cloudy over time, as far as I know.
Or is it about plexiglass? confused.gif

18.01.2007 12:00, vilgeforce

I had a couple of questions:
1) I will glue, most likely, on transparent dies from a film for a laser lamp. Where should I put a drop of glue on the beetle? I understand that it is not necessary in the center (in case something needs to be considered there). Somewhere around the back of the chest, right?

2) Water-soluble adhesives, as I understand it, can fail when soaking. I can't imagine where to get celluloid. Plexiglass in dichloroethane? Or any other options?

3) are the legs and whiskers glued to the die, or is the beetle just straightened out first, and then glued dry and fixing the legs/whiskers is simply not required?

This post was edited by vilgeforce - 18.01.2007 12: 02

18.01.2007 15:27, RippeR

1) Glue usually, in my opinion, depending on the family, genus, so that later it was easier to determine. I usually glue myself in the mid-posterior chest area.
2) I have been using PVA for a very long time - it has never failed me yet. Can be peeled off from the die if desired.
3) Many people glue their legs and sawyers, but I believe that this is not necessary, since then it is harder to peel off, it is harder to straighten and the copy itself turns out to be more voluminous. First, the material is straightened - this is also more convenient, and then it is glued when it dries. Glue or not - to your taste.

18.01.2007 15:31, Mikhail F. Bagaturov

I totally agree with the previous speaker wink.gif
I've always done it myself....
Once the truth pricked, respectively, but it was a long time ago and not true already smile.gif

18.01.2007 16:28, vilgeforce

Thank you. So, PVA : -)

19.01.2007 2:42, Vadim Yakubovich

Try bf-6, it is always available in pharmacies, sold in tubes-convenient. It adheres better to the laser film, is transparent in a thin layer, does not dissolve in water, but only swells and then when dried takes the same shape (to the question of soaking), perfectly dissolves and is washed off with alcohol.
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19.01.2007 11:00, vilgeforce

Sergeich, thank you, I didn't know!

02.03.2007 19:12, stierlyz

Practice shows that it is better to use water-soluble glue. Many people scold PVA, it's hard to remove it later. if we are talking about a Carabus , there are no problems, but when removing a small soft shell, it may be damaged. I used the German "Aufklebeleim" for a long time, it looks like gum glue, it holds poorly, and it's risky to glue edeagi. And recently I tried to add 1/3 of the volume of PVA to it, and it seems to turn out very well. You can try to work gum in a mixture of PVA-cheap and convenient.

02.02.2011 17:23, Evgen24

Who currently uses what kind of glue to stick attachments on the dies and restore them?

02.02.2011 17:40, AGG

The hercules that I was treated to in the early 2000s is not over yet and has never failed me, from millimeter-sized bastards to rhinoceros beetles. now I took transparent dies and glue with a colorless varnish

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02.02.2011 18:02, Mantispid

I buy the cheapest PVA in the store, open it and put it on the battery for a couple of days... after that glue))) good glue)

p. s. when I first started doing this, I glued it with a "Super-Moment" lol.gif

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03.02.2011 1:56, CosMosk

... and peels off well with acetone

03.02.2011 12:06, Victor Titov

I didn't participate in the survey. In my opinion, the questions are not quite correct. PVA can be used (on bezrybye, when cancer is also a fish wink.gif), if there is no way to purchase "Hercules". Therefore, it cannot be said that it is the most reliable, just as it cannot be said that it is completely bad.
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04.02.2011 16:27, Evgen24

I agree with the survey. As it turned out by itself.
I have previously met somewhere about all kinds of adhesives and methods of restoring insects.
Can someone give a link? rolleyes.gif

04.02.2011 22:59, Black Coleopter

As for the survey, I don't participate, because there are few possible answers. I don't use PVA. For gluing on triangles, I take wallpaper glue, and for restovration (gluing broken legs, whiskers, heads, etc.of reproductive organs smile.gif) I use BF-6, it quickly sets and does not dissolve with water. when not needed.

07.02.2011 0:18, Triplaxxx

I would not recommend using PVA for the sticker of insects, after 30 years it becomes cloudy and significantly loses its ability to swell and dissolve. The usefulness of transparent dies is also very doubtful - I worked with insects glued to celluloid and mica in the 19th and early 20th centuries. No matter how carefully they are stored, the smallest dust accumulates, which makes it difficult to see the structures, and polymers, both celluloid and more modern ones, will definitely become cloudy, and possibly warped, because they are prone to self-decay. It is desirable to glue it on thin cardboard, I use either Czech dies, and more often I make them myself from candy boxes, there is quite a decent cardboard there. It is good to use acid-free paper for this purpose, it can be of various densities, sold in stores for artists.

07.02.2011 10:21, introvert

I agree with the survey. As it turned out by itself.
I have previously met somewhere about all kinds of adhesives and methods of restoring insects.
Can someone give a link? rolleyes.gif

I don't remember exactly. It seems that Bogdanov in the " Works of the State Duma. Darwin. Museum " is working on the restoration of insects.

02.12.2013 16:48, Liparus

Straightened a series (40 pcs) of germanics. I don't know which is better option 1 or 2? Given that other racehorses:hybrid, campestris, soluta - if it is glued to the die under No. 1, then I would stick it on a large one, but I can't decide. Who thinks what?

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02.12.2013 17:00, Mantispid

Straightened a series (40 pcs) of germanics. I don't know which is better option 1 or 2? Given that other racehorses:hybrid, campestris, soluta - if it is glued to the die under No. 1, then I would stick it on a large one, but I can't decide. Who thinks what?

I think that the 2nd option is much more economical than the 1st
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02.12.2013 17:13, OEV

Straightened a series (40 pcs) of germanics. I don't know which is better option 1 or 2? Given that other racehorses:hybrid, campestris, soluta - if it is glued to the die under No. 1, then I would stick it on a large one, but I can't decide. Who thinks what?


Arthur it is not the same type of dies that is important, but the diverse material on them umnik.gif
And so option 2 is more rational wink.gif
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02.12.2013 17:23, Liparus

karabida as an example, under a small die sticks out ethics, which I have more than the die itself.

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02.12.2013 17:31, Liparus

here, for example, is a horse riding on a small die that fits it

http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/index_cla...p?category=1675

02.12.2013 18:10, Victor Titov

Straightened a series (40 pcs) of germanics. I don't know which is better option 1 or 2? Given that other racehorses:hybrid, campestris, soluta - if it is glued to the die under No. 1, then I would stick it on a large one, but I can't decide. Who thinks what?

Option 2 (on a smaller die) is preferable. The fact that the label will be visible, in my opinion, does not spoil it at all.
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02.12.2013 18:14, vafdog

karabida as an example, under a small die sticks out ethics, which I have more than the die itself.

you can cut dies with the width of the first option, and the length - from the second. unless the dimensions are not necessarily standard, and you make the dies yourself?

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02.12.2013 19:22, Liparus

you can cut dies with the width of the first option, and the length - from the second. unless the dimensions are not necessarily standard, and you make the dies yourself?

This won't work, I cut it myself and I have my own standard.

To the status of some horses (germanica f. obscura), I used to make this option as in the photo, it's a matter of taste, but I don't like it and so I had to redo them into large dies for the whole beetle.

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05.02.2014 17:40, Vlad1clav

For those who make their own dies, I can recommend a good source material - free samples in perfume stores for perfume. the size of the pieces of paper is 150x15 mm (although where as). paper density, as it gets, but beetles 1.5 cm< not large will withstand easily.

13.05.2014 7:34, Zunimassa

How about mounting large beetles like Eupatorus, Chalcosoma on large dies? approximately as in the photo
, if you take a photo while spreading, then there will be no need to look from below.
And the die will protect your feet from damage.

Or as an option, improve the method of the user sebastes
by adding a 2nd needle, so that the beetle does not scroll under the weight. and replacing the stiffener with a piece of cork that won't allow the pins to walk.

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09.10.2014 11:11, Maks03

Good afternoon.
Please tell me from paper (cardboard) what density is better to cut dies. And where such paper can be bought.

09.10.2014 18:15, Liparus

Good afternoon.
Please tell me from paper (cardboard) what density is better to cut dies. And where such paper can be bought.

Laminate thick A4 paper (250-300 )and cut the dies along the pre-printed grid (table) on one side of the paper.
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09.10.2014 23:05, CosMosk

I'm not an expert on dies,I just had to glue (instead of a cork) a dense piece of transparent plastic (smaller in size) from the bottom so that they wouldn't rotate and pierce both layers together. In principle, I prefer plastic from packages - it can be of different quality, elastic - it does not rotate.
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24.10.2014 18:17, gstalker

http://www.insectnet.eu/kartoniki.pdf
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24.10.2014 18:21, Liparus

I am for pentagonal and triangular dies

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