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22.08.2007 19:01, Pavel Morozov

Some of them did this: when they arrived on the spot, they agreed with local government representatives in the center's administration (history does not say exactly how they agreed), they received a ksiva, which they calmly poked in the face of local law enforcement agencies. The main thing is to have more beautiful and different seals on the ksiva.
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23.08.2007 13:27, Anthicus

Some of them did this: when they arrived on the spot, they agreed with local government representatives in the center's administration (history does not say exactly how they agreed), they received a ksiva, which they calmly poked in the face of local law enforcement agencies. The main thing is to have more beautiful and different seals on the ksiva.


I recommend simply hiring a knowledgeable local guide (you can find contacts of such people through acquaintance and other entomologists. practically. in any tropical country). The guide will settle everything with the local authorities and show them the best places to gather and encourage the natives to collect insects en masse in exchange, for example, for cigarettes. Of course, a good guide and costs well. But you will have a guarantee that you will not return empty-handed and that you will return at all.

23.08.2007 16:53, Mikhail F. Bagaturov

It depends on where you go, Dmitry. In South Africa, this scheme does not work in any way. In Cambodia, the situation has recently been similar, although a year ago the bald devil could have been caught and taken out. With Vietnam on insects even more or less, although also soon sovssem will be hard, I'm almost sure, but with the rest of the animals, too, in any way, and the locals will not help either.
In Indonesia, after the Huskies lost their monopoly on the pet trade, it became easier, but even then I wouldn't take any chances...
In general, everything has its own characteristics and it's good to know them before you go.
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24.08.2007 8:23, Anthicus

It depends on where you go, Dmitry. In South Africa, this scheme does not work in any way. In Cambodia, the situation has recently been similar, although a year ago the bald devil could have been caught and taken out. With Vietnam on insects even more or less, although also soon sovssem will be hard, I'm almost sure, but with the rest of the animals, too, in any way, and the locals will not help either.
In Indonesia, after the Huskies lost their monopoly on the pet trade, it became easier, but even then I wouldn't take any chances...
In general, everything has its own characteristics and it's good to know them before you go.


The problem with export in these countries is solved - the parcel is delivered by DHL or similar couriers. Tested and working. They even sent frogs and snakes in alcohol for the museum - all without problems. I don't see any problems in Indonesia at all. Of course, if the bags are not stuffed with Ornithoptera. In addition, the attitude to citizens of different countries varies slightly. Europeans rarely have problems. This confirms the presence of a large amount of material collected specifically by Europeans, including from South Africa and Cambodia, too. Although, indeed, there are exceptions everywhere. And I really don't want to run into them.

This post was edited by Anthicus - 08/24/2007 11: 20

24.08.2007 15:19, Mikhail F. Bagaturov

Alas, this does not confirm anything...
From Brazil, too, the export of local fauna is generally prohibited, but the double bass is pulled and still how it is pulled. At the same time, they are regularly caught, fined, and sent away (but not imprisoned, mind you).
Our comrades have already been to zindan in Indonesia, and well-known "entomologists" in India. All of this is still fresh for those who know.
In South Africa, a world-famous taxonomist scientist almost went to jail and got into a row, just because, having all possible permits for trapping and other materials, he did not know and was not notified that a permit was also needed for transit through another territory-everything was well resolved, because EVERYTHING was fine. papers and recommendations were issued, otherwise he would have been sitting "like a nice guy".
As for DHL and others, almost no one takes parcels, because 90% are asked to show what is claimed for overseas transportation, and no live "animals" are allowed. The only people who work in the back office are EMS. So it's not all great here either.
Therefore, if you do not know the features, etc., and especially the mentality of the local population, then you will have to face - "how to drink to give" ...
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24.08.2007 15:34, Anthicus

DHL and others take as nice. Maybe they don't take it from the Russians, but they take it from us. I don't know about South Africa, but it always worked out from Asia. As for Indonesia , for "locals" you can buy a "catch permit" at any police station. However, this "permission" has no force for customs, unfortunately, but only for collecting as such. I.e. an excuse from other police officers and rangers.

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24.08.2007 15:42, Mikhail F. Bagaturov

Everything is completely different there now, and it was actually there before.
According to the laws of the UES, there is no such insanity at all, even sitesny animals (Appendix 2 and higher) can be carried according to a handwritten certificate, "even with a carcass, even with a stuffed animal".
And then there are big problems with this case.
Even the EMS sometimes returns parcels that were sailed... alas frown.gif
And the excuse for "locals" is not very helpful at customs...
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24.08.2007 19:15, guest: Proctos

I've been sitting in South Africa for hours, and from here DHL doesn't take invertebrates anywhere, even to schtaty, and even with papers. And regular mail, on the contrary, normally takes.
Here with fishing is very strict.
By the way, if you go fishing on serezny, and do not combine a beach holiday with fishing, then you can not do without local entomologists. This is an ironclad rule!
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27.08.2007 7:43, Anthicus

That's what I call SHARING EXPERIENCES. Very useful information, thank you all!!!

27.08.2007 10:05, Frantic

I've been sitting in South Africa for hours, and from here DHL doesn't take invertebrates anywhere, even to schtaty, and even with papers. And regular mail, on the contrary, normally takes.
Here with fishing is very strict.
By the way, if you go fishing on serezny, and do not combine a beach holiday with fishing, then you can not do without local entomologists. This is an ironclad rule!


Sound advice. For the law is not the only threat in this country.

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