Magazine for insect collectors

First, you need to find out about the number of collectors and their interest.
Further,this topic has already been discussed at the congress.
My suggestion is to create something like a closed club with permanent members(membership fees, literature, meetings,field trips,creation of works).This is something that exists in Israel.$ 35 fee per year.2nd meeting of the year with the attraction of collectors from over the hill.
My opinion is not real.Material for the magazine will simply be plundered from forums like this.And this is a copyright violation.We also need a person who will be able to work on the magazine not for scrap,but for a high, because there is not much money to earn on this.
About categories-those that are on the forum."Reports", "Equipment", "Expeditions".Quite interesting and informative.

I would love to join such a club and buy a magazine on this topic. About categories, I completely agree with taler.

in terms of the club , we already have something like this, and it may happen sometime.. At least at the congresses, the people are growing, changing, and so on. So let's see, you never know that in a year-2 will still be ))

I don't know about others, but I imagined this magazine as a kind of selection of glossy magazines. Pictures and a minimum of text, as I understand it, especially no scientific information.
What functions will it carry?
A catalog of materials and equipment, or a general information magazine like Geo?
All the same, people most actively use Internet resources, as the most accessible and regularly updated.

Why did I draw an analogy with glossy magazines? Yes, just because the girls read cosmo and Vogue, but they shop in Cherkizovo

This post was edited by Morozzz - 19.09.2008 11: 57

We seem to have a serious hobby - and you're talking about empty glossy magazines for women......... !

We seem to have a serious hobby - and you about empty glossy magazines for........!

I think it might have made sense ten years ago. And now...
Wait a month or two for the magazine to arrive, when you can solve the same issues here on the forum in five to ten minutes. Share information, ask for help, and place the same ads.
Or do I have a bad idea of what the log should be?
What new things will it give us?
I liked taler's suggestion better. About a certain club with a permanent membership and membership fees. Our forum has already helped me so much that I don't mind spending money on reasonable membership fees.

We seem to have a serious hobby - and you about empty glossy magazines for........!

Vo-o-ot. so, we need a journal so that it can publish a normal scientific article, so that with such an article-at least in the Higher Attestation Commission, so that it can be included in the list of publications.
Who knows, maybe we should make some kind of "hybrid edition"? For example, some scientific and practical medical journals, where in addition to scientific articles, there are also clinical tasks and congratulations on the anniversary. Advertising of all kinds of drugs, etc.
Well, or like the magazine "Household management". Jokes aside, the structure of this magazine is designed so that the barnyard, vegetables, fruits and household flowers are considered separately. It publishes both amateur gardeners and agronomists-doctors and candidates of agricultural sciences

You can do the same in this journal: a category, possibly the main one, devoted to scientific articles of various topics.
a section dedicated to dissection, etc
. reports on fishing in the form of reports
, etc., etc., etc.

But the price lists for insects in the magazine are questionable. The seller of the product will need to adjust the number to the output so that the information is up-to-date.
Advertising is another matter.

I will also leave a vote against such a magazine. Still, it doesn't make much sense..
It would be much more useful, for example, to create brochures or a website that would display prices for insects from a variety of people, as well as for equipment - different equipment at different prices, so that each entomologist can buy everything he needs at the best price for him. You can make a specific item that will help you perform such operations for a small fee or percentage. Although I don't even know if this idea is worth implementing..

I will also leave a vote against such a magazine. Still, it doesn't make much sense..
It would be much more useful, for example, to create brochures or a website that would display prices for insects from a variety of people, as well as for equipment - different equipment at different prices, so that each entomologist can buy everything he needs at the best price for him. You can make a specific item that will help you perform such operations for a small fee or percentage. Although I don't even know if this idea is worth implementing..

Well, I don't mind.
I'm all for it.
only we need to decide what the magazine will be like.

and find a patron of art.

Well, I don't mind.
I'm all for it.
only we need to decide what the magazine will be like.

and find a patron of art.

Well yeah There are only two issues that need to be resolved. Where to get the money and who will carry this cart. No special financial benefits.

The first thing you should decide on in such cases is the meaning. And already from this to dance.

To Taler:

What's the point of a collectors 'club being "closed"? Just a desire for all sorts of elitism?

No elitism.More, say, for safety and cleanliness.For example, the site has a lot of people with an empty profile(by the way, about you) and guests.Many of them offer to sell / exchange material or,on the contrary, do not dare to show some of their material in collections(Red Book views, etc.) or simply do not want to shine.All this is clear,and the "closeness" of the club to legalize such colleagues.

The magazine is definitely needed, and not just one. But its goal is the same-to promote entomological knowledge and attract new fans to our ranks. The presence of such publications indicates the country's civilization. Look at the Japanese, they have magazines on quite exotic groups of insects, and even on popular ones... If you are closer to Europe, then look there. We're just getting out of the bleak wilderness of amateur entomology. Any product in this space will be a breakthrough. Prostration to the one who takes it upon himself, we must all help him in this. There may be mistakes, but without them there is no development, who does not like something-create something of your own. Guys, look how few of us there are. Maybe in Moscow it seems that many people are interested in this, But I live in Vladivostok, there are not three of us, but even two koleks, and this is for 700 thousand people, in an amazing region in entomological terms. And in St. Petersburg-10-15, this is despite the presence of ZINA, and other cultural attributes. And in Russia...
Dear collector, for sure, going out to the public with this offer, you know what YOUR magazine should be, make it what you want, In any case, it will be the best in the territory of the former USSR.

periodic publishing is not cheap or easy. It's one thing when a magazine is in demand by a large number of people (igromaniya naprier or computer press), and quite another when the magazine is specific. Special publications are funded from outside the country (by a state or private sponsor). Otherwise, 1-2 issues are published , and then there is no time to etch, then money to print. The enthusiasm ends and everything gets up. Narrow-profile magazines are far from profitable.

As far as I understand, there is no question of the magazine's profitability yet, and no one is asking for money from us. If the magazine dies for any reason - well, God help it, then this time it's not fate. But the experience will remain, positive or negative, it doesn't matter, the main thing is that it will be there. And don't bury him before he's born. No one has canceled the laws of the market, and it is clear that playboy has more consumers. But no one asks us whether it will be profitable, we are asked:
1-Will an entomological information and commercial
magazine for insect collectors in Russian be interesting in Russia ?
2-If so, what categories should there be other than private ads
about buying, selling, and exchanging goods, services, and materials?
3 - What should be the approximate price per issue for the magazine to be available
to every collector?
4-How many issues should such a publication have per year?
Let's try to answer these questions.

As far as I understand, there is no question of the magazine's profitability yet, and no one is asking for money from us. If the magazine dies for any reason - well, God help it, then this time it's not fate. But the experience will remain, positive or negative, it doesn't matter, the main thing is that it will be there. And don't bury him before he's born. No one has canceled the laws of the market, and it is clear that playboy has more consumers. But no one asks us whether it will be profitable, we are asked:
1-Will an entomological information and commercial
magazine for insect collectors in Russian be interesting in Russia ?
2-If so, what categories should there be other than private ads
about buying, selling, and exchanging goods, services, and materials?
3 - What should be the approximate price per issue for the magazine to be available
to every collector?
4-How many issues should such a publication have per year?
Let's try to answer these questions.

if the magazine is not profitable, then all the people who work on its creation do not just work for free, but also invest their money (on paper for printing, etc.). Obviously, a loss-making project cannot last long. Hence, all further reasoning will be equivalent to reasoning about whether there is a God in the world or not (about nothing in short).

PS if anyone knows, let them name at least one really commercial scientific journal from any field. Personally, as far as I know of scientific journals (not only biology but engineering), they are all either state-owned or near, and often pseudoscientific.

(fully scientific. for commercial journals-the same Nature. they earn money by advertising and selling subscriptions. the second part of the journals belongs to scientific journals. companies.)

(fully scientific. for commercial journals-the same Nature. they earn money by advertising and selling subscriptions. the second part of the journals belongs to scientific journals. societies.)

two questions:
1. What is the monthly print run of Nature? 5000-10000 pieces
2. How much does one magazine cost? 150-200 р.

two questions:
1. What is the monthly print run of Nature? 5000-10000 pieces
2. How much does one magazine cost? 150-200 rubles.

1. I don't know, but I think more - in every bibil, in och. many labs in the world they are.

2. I think significantly more.

Go to their website and do some research.

You are talking about Russian citizens, I am talking about foreign citizens in the world, maybe not anymore. They earn money either through grants, paid publications, advertising, or individual contributions.

Dear Mr. bahurin, does anyone ask you for money or a free job? And what makes you think that the magazine should pay for itself? There are many ways to raise funds. The author of the idea does not ask us to solve the issue of funding the magazine.
In terms of content, I think you should pay attention to the cactus club magazines, I'm not a fan of cacti, but I enjoyed reading some of their articles.
By the way, the above-mentioned idea with the club is very good, but based on the work of the club, it is possible to collect material for the magazine. One of the pitfalls is that we have very different interests and training levels. Perhaps the solution is in the specialization, you can take the most popular groups and start with them.
Or maybe you should join someone, here in the latest issue of Aquarium there was an interesting article on growing bronzes.
Some material can be taken directly from the forum, there are also interesting things. I got permission from the authors, translated it into an acceptable form, and went ahead...

Finally .......... a healthy discussion of the topic has begun!
Hachu guys ask a few more questions!
1 - How many pages should be allocated to the category(s) - About BEETLES
2 - How many pages should be allocated to the category(s) - About BUTTERFLIES
3 - How many pages should be allocated to the category(s) - Keeping and breeding in captivity
4 - How many pages should be allocated to the category(s) - Expedition reports
5 - How many sub - Lists insects in my area ( by family or genus )
6-How many sub-News from the regions
7-New books
8-Techniques for maintaining an entomological collection
9 - Photos of insects ( in the text or in tables )

The commercial part of the magazine will be divided into two parts -1
-Advertising from companies
2-Private ads(will be divided) into 3 parts-
1-sell
2-buy
3-change
From your answers and discussions on my questions, I will be able to calculate the volume
of pages of the publication and its retail price.

And more on the topic!
The log format is supposed to be B5 or A5 (for starters).
Coated paper 140gr.
Working title - "Entomological Collection" - magazine for insect collectors

I can say that it will be interesting for me personally and for which I will not regret even 200 rubles, for example. I will be interested in where you can buy high-quality, albeit expensive equipment. And not by pre-order, but by turning the thing over in your hands and evaluating it live. For example, nowhere can I buy such a funny but necessary thing as an entomological sieve. Only very recently, the No. 1 entomagazine had its own Hercules glue. I am considering the possibility of purchasing a ring illuminator for binoculars. Interesting light traps that no one sells here. The list goes on.

I can say that it will be interesting for me personally and for which I will not regret even 200 rubles, for example. I will be interested in where you can buy high-quality, albeit expensive equipment. And not by pre-order, but by turning the thing over in your hands and evaluating it live. For example, nowhere can I buy such a funny but necessary thing as an entomological sieve. Only very recently, the No. 1 entomagazine had its own Hercules glue. I am considering the possibility of purchasing a ring illuminator for binoculars. Interesting light traps that no one sells here. The list goes on.

If you have any ideas or something else, I personally try to post them on my site, please note for FREE! Because I don't feel sorry for myself. So why not create a website where such information will flow? On the site, you can post articles in pdf format, for example, from word to convert if you are too lazy to mess with html. Why do you need to print it and pay for it? After all, someone will make up the magazine for altruistic reasons? Why wouldn't it do the same thing just by posting it to some resource. On which, by the way, you can place the category of ads about the exchange and sale. Now everyone will rush to discuss how much the magazine should cost and how good it should be, but I have big doubts that at least 10-12 issues of this magazine will be published.

I declare responsibly: I am ready to take part in the creation of a good entomological website. I can make a design I know HTML css

Dear BAHURIN, just don't be offended - please answer the following questions:
Do you have an Internet connection in Vezdeli in Russia ?
And does everyone have the money to use it?

And there are libraries even in the villages and they are all free!

Dear BAHURIN, just don't be offended - please answer the following questions:
Do you have an Internet connection in Vezdeli in Russia ?
And does everyone have the money to use it?

And there are libraries even in the villages and they are all free!

Also no offense, but I must say that there is also life beyond the MKAD. And the Internet today is everywhere where there is a phone. In localities where there is a library, there is definitely an Internet connection. Another thing is that not everyone knows how to use it and there is no money, But if there is no money, then they will not be there to buy a magazine. Even more so will the village library, even if it wants to subscribe to your magazine.

Please understand that I am not against the magazine, I just know that from discussing what the magazine should be like to the publication of the first issue - a CHASM.

ps this is like an old joke: is it possible to make love on red Square? It is possible, but the advisers will not give you peace of mind!

Come on, gentlemen!
I think many people here are well aware of the gulf that lies between discussion and action. But why can't you dream first?

I agree with bahurin, everything looks very utopian.

At one time, I had a small experience of publishing a 3000-copy corporate magazine for employees. It was a lot of money and a lot of hemorrhoids. But at the same time, it was possible to avoid registration as a media outlet, although it should be done with a circulation of more than 1000 (like). And that's still a lot of money. Even if these same pieces of paper are available or the printing press that prints them, even if you manage to release a pilot print run - how are you going to distribute it? By library, subscription, or free sale? Entomologists (amateurs/pros-it doesn't matter) in any city can be counted on your fingers, but somewhere they are not even mentioned - how to calculate where and how many copies can be sent? It turns out that everything will be limited to Moscow/St. Petersburg and several other major cities.

In general, I am also not against the magazine, only for it! But this is a very serious project, and there will be no simple enthusiasm. And again, the money and the money is big.

By the way, it will be useful to talk about this with the creators of Eversmania, here who has some experience.

Thank you to everyone who writes and calls me with their tips on creating an interesting entomological magazine for insect collectors.
The shape and volume of the magazine is becoming more pronounced every day and its contours
are becoming clearer! As of today, I can say the following from the log with
100% accuracy :
1 - Volume of 24 pages.(for starters)
2-A5 format
3-coated paper
4-Full-color cover
5-4 sheets of color tables in each issue
6-In the plan of 6 issues per year + appendices
7-Price per issue 120 rubles + mail

With the name still unresolved - I will wait for your sovershenov

In terms of the name. The word "entomological" is too complex for the general public... I would also suggest:
"My collection" or "My collection of insects"

In principle, I would also suggest inviting Prof. entomologists write articles and notes about: scientific collections (museum), scientific publications. principles and basics of collecting, specialists in groups-about their groups, material not only about impaled insects, but also about their life in nature, about Internet resources, about online photo collections.

That is, it is wider to submit material.

Thank you to everyone who writes and calls me with their tips on creating an interesting entomological magazine for insect collectors.
The shape and volume of the magazine is becoming more pronounced every day and its contours
are becoming clearer! As of today, I can say the following from the log with
100% accuracy :
1 - Volume of 24 pages.(for starters)
2-A5 format
3-coated paper
4-Full-color cover
5-4 sheets of color tables in each issue
6-In the plan of 6 issues per year + appendices
7-Price per issue 120 rubles + mail

The name is still undecided - I will wait for your advice

It's already good.However, almost all the initiatives on this forum ended at the theory stage.
Of course, much of what has died, I would like to reanimate in life with the help of this magazine.Although I still consider this idea utopian,but I am ready to provide all possible help in the birth.

New in the log:
1 - The official number ISSN must arrive from France by October 15.
2-The name of the journal that has gone to registration finally sounds like this -
" ENTOMOLOGICAL COLLECTION "(A magazine for collectors of the
familiar).
3-We invite authors to cooperate (amateurs and professionals)

For authors of articles in the journal-EK, it is provided:
1-preferential placement of their advertising and ads in the issue.
2 - five issues of the magazine.
3 - monetary reward for each article.

Don't forget to write when the first issue will appear and where it can be purchased. Periodicity every two months - not enough, at least once a month, if the volume is so small (24 pages), or you need to increase the volume.

What kind of articles are supposed to be published in this magazine?

Dear collector!!! I understand that by creating this discussion, you already clearly knew about the most difficult issues of this project, I mean financing, registration of the publication, etc. And if you have money for all this, and your desire has already found its form, then perhaps it was worth raising the issue of discussion in another aspect. For an example of this-guys, there is money, a magazine will be published, write to such and such categories and I will provide the fee. And then ALL apocalyptic predictions would be eliminated. By the way, how are articles selected, is there an editorial board and ... what is the fee .

Dear friends, the fees for articles will depend on the quality
of their writing and the amount of information that is useful for
the readership ( from 50 to 150 euros )on average. When publishing an article describing
new taxa for science ( from 150 to 250 euros).

I've been reading the posts in this thread from the very beginning, and I wanted to write it from the very beginning... but somehow it was uncomfortable... you will DEFINITELY need a proofreader in the magazine... you can write anything you want on the forum, but in the magazine (whatever it is) you need to write in the correct Russian language...