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How do you dissect large, hairy insects

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Entomon, 09.02.2012 9:39

Since I will need to straighten Saturnia pyri and Attacus atlas in the spring, I need to know how to dissect them.

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09.02.2012 13:21, Pavel Morozov

nothing complicated. Be careful with the appropriate size straightener.

09.02.2012 13:25, Entomon

I mean, how to dissect the abdomen?

10.02.2012 11:06, mikee

I mean, how to dissect the abdomen?

And why? At home, and so dries. Except in certain cases.

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10.02.2012 14:26, Entomon

So at atlas and pear saturnia it is so big! Won't it rot?

10.02.2012 19:39, metall-mikki

..don't worry - Saturnia's belly dries perfectly...it does not flatten or lose its shape...just don't put the butterfly straightener in wet places)
The only thing is to support the end of the abdomen with a piece of cotton wool so that the abdomen does not stretch...Well, I think you already know what I'm talking about)

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10.02.2012 21:01, Entomon

Thank you all for your answers! I suggest that you write questions on spreading in this topic (if someone else has them ) , so I ask the moderator to rename the topic to "Nuances in spreading insects" .

10.02.2012 23:27, Вишняков Алексей

This topic already exists.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=87257

10.02.2012 23:30, okoem

Thank you all for your answers! I suggest that you write questions about spreading in this topic (if someone else has them ) , so I ask the moderator to rename the topic to "Nuances in spreading insects".

Since you created it, you can rename it yourself.

11.02.2012 0:17, Victor Titov

Thank you all for your answers! I suggest that you write questions about spreading in this topic (if someone else has them ) , so I ask the moderator to rename the topic to "Nuances in spreading insects".

Since you created it, you can rename it yourself.

And why?!

Here it is:

This topic already exists.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=87257

11.02.2012 9:24, AntSkr

After drying, it is better to break off the abdomen (in males) and degrease in acetone.

11.02.2012 10:39, Entomon

Since you created it, you can rename it yourself.

This topic already exists.
http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=87257

I'm still new to the forum and didn't know about this.

This post was edited by Entomon - 02/11/2012 10: 39

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12.02.2012 9:42, Maksim M.

+1 about breaking and soaking.

12.02.2012 13:52, metall-mikki

... purely out of curiosity - and why do the procedure with breaking and soaking?...

13.02.2012 13:28, Entomon

... purely out of curiosity - and why do the procedure with breaking and soaking?...

I think that if the abdomen gets fat, then it is bathed

13.02.2012 14:26, Victor Titov

After drying, it is better to break off the abdomen (in males) and degrease in acetone.

... purely out of curiosity - and why do the procedure with breaking and soaking?...

I think that if the abdomen becomes fat, then it is bathed

I'm not a "butterfly man", but I believe that the keywords in the AntSkr post are "in males". Apparently, this refers to the treatment of the abdomen to ensure the possibility of subsequent preparation of the genitals.

13.02.2012 14:57, Aleksandr Safronov

I'm not a "butterfly man", but I believe that the keywords in the AntSkr post are "in males". Apparently, this refers to the treatment of the abdomen to ensure the possibility of subsequent preparation of the genitals.

The bellies of butterflies that are prone to obesity (bombycoids, morpho) are separated for another reason. If the abdomen is fat, fat can spread from it to the wings. Therefore, after soaking in a degreaser and drying, the abdomen is glued in place.

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13.02.2012 15:03, Victor Titov

The bellies of butterflies that are prone to obesity (bombycoids, morpho) are separated for another reason. If the abdomen is fat, fat can spread from it to the wings. Therefore, after soaking in a degreaser and drying, the abdomen is glued in place.

Why then does AntSkr offer this manipulation only for males?

13.02.2012 15:26, Aleksandr Safronov

Why then does AntSkr offer this manipulation only for males?

This procedure is done for both sexes, although females naturally grow fat more often.
I don't know why there are males. After all, genital preparations are also made from the abdomen of females.
IMHO, in a fattened abdomen, a slow decomposition process begins, which means that this will also affect the tissues of the genitals.

13.02.2012 16:10, metall-mikki

..is there still something left in the abdomen after it is completely dry,which can later decompose?
As for me, so after a long drying on the straightener, all organic matter,with the exception of bacteria, loses its ability to decompose, etc.... well, unless if the humidity rises, then the material will start to deteriorate...

13.02.2012 17:25, Aleksandr Safronov

...is there still something left in the abdomen after it is completely dry,which can later decompose?
As for me, so after a long drying on the straightener, all organic matter,with the exception of bacteria, loses its ability to decompose, etc.... well, unless if the humidity rises, then the material will start to deteriorate...

I'm not an expert on fats.
There is always water in the composition of animal fat, and if I'm not mistaken, about 0.3%.

13.02.2012 20:31, metall-mikki

... well, with water, everything is clear,but when the insects completely dry out on the straightener, according to the idea, the water completely evaporates from the bodies of insects...

09.03.2012 20:35, Entomon

The question arose, how to properly dry bats

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09.03.2012 21:17, okoem

The question arose, how to properly dry bats

Google the word "taxidermy". For example - http://zoomet.ru/zas/zaslavski_2_1zi.html

09.03.2012 21:50, Entomon

Google the word "taxidermy". For example - http://zoomet.ru/zas/zaslavski_2_1zi.html

I've searched a lot of pages, but everything is only indirect.

09.03.2012 22:51, Molobratia

The question arose, how to properly dry bats

If you want to save a bat for a collection, then the principle is the same as when dissecting mammals to make a collection carcass.
You need to remove the skin first, process it and fill it with cotton wool. One wing of bats spreads out to the side, and the second is folded, in general, more details here:

Kuzyakin, A. P. Processing of bats for scientific collections / A. P. Kuzyakin / / Bats-Moscow: Nauka, 1980. pp. 289-298.

09.03.2012 23:03, Black Coleopter

The question arose, how to properly dry bats

Good question. I'll join you. May Bolivar forgive us for being off-topic. But please don't delete it. I have also thought about this issue many times.