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Moskovsky Komsomolets about butterflies

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Melittia, 28.02.2012 1:45

Friends, yesterday in MK (No. 42(25878)) appeared articles about entomology! At first I was very happy! I read it ... Everyone too!
This I altpravil in MK back

Dear correspondents, having read your undoubtedly highly artistic, but not entirely scientifically correct work in No. 42(25.878) of February 27, 2012, I hasten to inform you that all your research is fictional! Everything that you have depicted there has nothing to do with entomology or collecting butterflies, beetles and everything else! And the fact that "I saw the leader more than once in our institute ..." You know, the only doctor of science "on butterflies" in Moscow and very large environs is me. You can check it out on the WAKA website! By pointing this out in your article, you really upset me! Do you think I have to justify myself to all my friends now?
I think it's you who should make excuses, not me, who works with butterflies!
About your article and my complaints, I am opening a page on the entomologist forum right now!

Comments

28.02.2012 7:27, Pavel Morozov

Oleg Grigorievich, I read this f**k yesterday. Messy, though, and with a claim to artistic style.
maybe a young journalist just wants to curry favor by writing some kind of feuilleton.
written illiterate and clumsy
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28.02.2012 7:56, vasiliy-feoktistov

This is here this a creation or something? Come on, pay attention to all sorts of crap and take it all the more personally. Well their on.......... I found this for the sake of interest: I was intrigued (I don't read newspapers and I don't watch zomboyashchik on principle)..
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28.02.2012 9:16, Shofffer

And here is the first author, a columnist for the economics department:
http://www.mk.ru/authors/page/345586-chuvilyaev-pavel.html
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28.02.2012 9:18, amara

This is here this a creation or something? Come on, pay attention to all sorts of crap and take it all the more personally. Well their on.......... I found this for the sake of interest: I was intrigued (I don't read newspapers and I don't watch zomboyashchik on principle)..


Thank you for the link. I read it. Yes, there are obvious mistakes there, and you should have let a specialist read them before publishing them.
But it's not all slander, is it?
It would be necessary on points. And where they lied to recover.
But perhaps there is something truthfully said in this article?

How to separate one from the other?

For example, in this quote, where is the truth and where is the lie?

"And this is another loophole: a meager penalty. According to Chapter 16 of the Administrative Code( Code of Administrative Offenses), illegal transportation of lepidoptera is subject to an administrative fine of up to 10 minimum wages (the minimum wage in Russia is currently 4,500 rubles). As the project coordinator of the TRAFFIC environmental program, which fights the illegal export of living creatures, Alexey Vaisman, told us: "They will not be jailed for this, as the export of individuals to the stream is mainly carried out by a special mafia, which no one will touch. The mafia must have a specialist biologist who can coordinate all this. The researcher agrees to this case, of course, because of the meager salary. And from a simple "peasant" who, in fact, catches butterflies, they will take only an administrative fine."

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28.02.2012 9:27, Bad Den

Oleg, they will forget about this article in a day - what butterflies, when March 4 is on the nose.

This post was edited by Bad Den - 02/28/2012 09: 54
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28.02.2012 9:54, Bad Den

Thank you for the link. I read it. Yes, there are obvious mistakes there, and you should have let a specialist read them before publishing them.
But it's not all slander, is it?
It would be necessary on points. And where they lied to recover.
But perhaps there is something truthfully said in this article?

How to separate one from the other?

For example, in this quote, where is the truth and where is the lie?

"And this is another loophole: a meager penalty. According to Chapter 16 of the Administrative Code( Code of Administrative Offenses), illegal transportation of lepidoptera is subject to an administrative fine of up to 10 minimum wages (the minimum wage in Russia is currently 4,500 rubles). As the project coordinator of the TRAFFIC environmental program, which fights the illegal export of living creatures, Alexey Vaisman, told us: "They will not be jailed for this, as the export of individuals to the stream is mainly carried out by a special mafia, which no one will touch. The mafia must have a specialist biologist who can coordinate all this. The researcher agrees to this case, of course, because of the meager salary. And from a simple "peasant" who, in fact, catches butterflies, they will take only an administrative fine."

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First, the minimum wage has not been applied for calculating fines for 7 years - the amount of the fine is indicated in rubles.

Here is Chapter 16 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation:
http://elementy.ru/library3/koap_16.htm
More or less suitable for the specified offenses of Article 16.1. But figures in the amount of " 10 minimum wages "(45,000 rubles) there is no.
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28.02.2012 11:07, алекс 2611

No wonder I was very suspicious of butterfly lovers. They caught reptiles in big cities all the "Russian cabbage" with light green wings. smile.gif

This post was edited by alex 2611-02/28/2012 11: 07
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28.02.2012 11:24, vasiliy-feoktistov

And what is the "professional" syllable (in this article)?:
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28.02.2012 11:50, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

At one time, I heard a funny story from a major scientist with whom I had the honor to work: back in the old Soviet times, he wrote a popular article for the magazine "Health". If anyone remembers, the magazine was quite decent. I discussed the manuscript with the editor, who seems to be quite competent, and it seems that all the questions were clarified. Then the magazine came out with an article, by the way, signed by him (!), not a correspondent! As the professor said: "I was young and hot-headed at the time, so I stormed into the editorial office shouting-what an idiot did this!" A very decent old lady, looking down a little, said, " What's the big deal? It seemed to me that the text was a little dry and I revived it a little..."

PS. I remember how in Komsomolskaya Pravda the horse was called an artiodactyl...
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28.02.2012 11:53, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Oops - ..."admire butterflies by buying specially bred ones as a salute." So there are also problems with the Russian language.
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28.02.2012 16:06, PVOzerski

The pupae also feed there...
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28.02.2012 16:32, zygaena

Years...tsat ago was in MK note "the cholera virus is coming" - see found the same virus, and otdavil.... the brain is not affected wink.gif
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28.02.2012 16:50, Victor Titov

I have repeatedly stated on this forum that I hate journalists (not to be confused with journalists). The author of this gibberish is just such a person. And I do not agree with some participants who believe that in his writings you should look for grains related to the truth. A journalist is a very complex profession, which imposes a huge responsibility, both moral and (in some cases) legal. If you want to write on a particular topic , first study the subject (as far as your own convolutions go) and consult a specialist. The option agreed with the specialist seems dry and requires "revival"? Try it, bring it to life - but also re-coordinate the animated text. And don't you dare add otsebyatiny! All this comes from the impunity of scribblers. Even their statutory duty to publish a refutation is most often used as an opportunity to verbally mock the person who caught them lying and being unprofessional. And this happens not only with publications on biological topics - if you only knew how the slang of journalists broadcasting on legal topics hurts your ear (and not only it): "open-close" a case," warrant " for arrest, etc., etc. And these are people who have been leading specialized categories and programs for years!

This post was edited by Dmitrich - 02/28/2012 16: 54
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28.02.2012 16:54, zygaena

Oleg, look at the portrait of the author - it's a sin to be offended -a person has a bitterness
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28.02.2012 17:07, kovyl

Oleg, don't be offended by them. Poor, what to take from them...
We have a lot of things to do, pay attention to all sorts of nonsense and waste time.
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28.02.2012 17:08, vasiliy-feoktistov

Yes, the crisis in MK is simple. If an economic observer on the topic of entomology undertakes to write articles.
That's what happens when a person meddles in his own business. IMHO, how does the editorial staff miss something? Or MK really rolled down to jaundice completely.
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28.02.2012 17:29, Shtil

My wife's colleague wrote an article in the magazine "Ogorodnik", the level of publication I think everyone understands. I attached a photo of a potato moth (actually about it and the article). A magazine is published where the article is illustrated with an image of a bear (either caja, or villica). To the question "what the fuck", the author, with downcast eyes and picking his palm with his finger, explained that in her photo there is some kind of pale moth-and this butterfly will clearly be more beautiful. Darkness.
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28.02.2012 17:54, Sungaya

And this creation reminded me of the articles of the Ilf-i-Petrovsky correspondent of the newspaper "Stargorodskaya Pravda" with its dashing nature, the degree of awareness of the author, and romantic inserts. What a style! Just one thing: "Doctors of biological Sciences and professors in it give out only piercing blue eyes" - what is it worth!

The case of tov. Flywheel now!
"The rafters are humming!"
smile.gif)

This post was edited by Sungaya - 02/28/2012 20: 39
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28.02.2012 18:35, Bad Den

Yes, the crisis in MK is simple. If an economic observer on the topic of entomology undertakes to write articles.
That's what happens when a person meddles in his own business. IMHO, how does the editorial staff miss something? Or MK really rolled down to jaundice completely.

+1, " MK " is no longer a cake.

user posted image
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28.02.2012 19:16, Melittia

Thank you, friends! I laughed heartily! jump.gif

28.02.2012 19:39, Hierophis

Fat-roll article smile.gif

By the way, the main ideas in the article are given correctly.

Entomology is commercialized. There is commercial fishing, and mostly everything goes for retail.
At the state level, classical scientific entomology is now not held in high esteem. From here, see point 1.
Catching butterflies is less threatening than changing their habitat(see about "gas from the factory")
Butterflies "big uncles" nafik do not need, unlike tigers )

But here's how it's served - it's takeaway vaashe, cancer brain and tram break ! And locust mutations!

28.02.2012 19:41, Shtil

картинка: f8f48d6f3f73b8f54dcc9c9ba84cb5d7.jpg

This post was edited by Shtil-02/28/2012 19: 42
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29.02.2012 9:56, Maksim M.

Well, what can I say -the wings of the mk are saturated with yellow color.When the correspondents do not work well,there is nothing to write about,but they dance for the letters-so they write something at random...

29.02.2012 10:41, Entomon

title of the first part: "Wings byak-byak-byak-byak"

29.02.2012 10:49, Entomon

the title of the first part of the "article" is an obvious plagiarism of the title of the article about the entomologist, here is the article itself: http://vladimir.mk.ru/article/2012/02/09/6...k-byakbyak.html

29.02.2012 11:54, vasiliy-feoktistov

the title of the first part of the "article" is an obvious plagiarism of the title of the article about the entomologist, here is the article itself: http://vladimir.mk.ru/article/2012/02/09/6...k-byakbyak.html

These are the words from a song sung by Andrey Mironov in the movie "Ordinary Miracle". Haven't had a chance to watch it in an hour? It's a good movie, I'll say.

05.03.2012 6:05, scarit

"Today, Russian entomology is infected with links to the international mafia. In the USSR, it was very strong." - this is really strong! Was Russian entomology strong in the USSR, or was it the international mafia??
"The heart bleeds: there is a looting of Russian bioresources ..." - and this is to the point!! The current Russian government-the mafia, especially in the Far East-is doing this to the fullest.
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