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Peter Khramov, 11.03.2015 15:47

Entosphinx has so-called entomological tweezers. In addition to their stiffness, they differ in shape/size (6 variants).
After the fall of the ruble, the price of these tweezers became completely inhumane. Therefore, there is an idea to start the production of such products in the Russian Federation.
Question: do you think you really need all 6 variants of shapes/sizes, or, for example, the difference between # 1 and # 3 is not so significant?
Question 2: maybe some other shapes/sizes are required for products of a similar plan?
If anyone has not seen the forms in question, then, for example, here: http://naturaliste.ru/catalog/s187 or on the manufacturer's website.

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11.03.2015 16:45, Alexandr Zhakov

There are very good Chinese tweezers that I have been using for many years, they are cheaper than Entosfinx and much better, there are different configurations of straight and curved, here is one of them:
http://www.chipdip.ru/product/1pk-101t/

11.03.2015 17:09, vasiliy-feoktistov

A couple of alternatives to these tweezers:
For amateur radio operators
For medical professionals
Choose whatever you need and can afford, and not only in the so-called "Entomological" tweezers panacea. In my opinion there is no point in making tweezers smile.gif
Tweezers on any and in Africa tweezers whatever it is called: entomological, medical, amateur radio, etc., etc....

11.03.2015 17:15, Peter Khramov

The sphinx has steel from 0.2 to 0.4 mm. That's the subtle difference with the regular ones... And the price list for your links is not nice at all...

This post was edited by Asar - 11.03.2015 17: 18

11.03.2015 17:54, vasiliy-feoktistov

The sphinx has steel from 0.2 to 0.4 mm. That's the subtle difference with the regular ones... And the price list for your links is not nice at all...

If there is a need, then you can choose an alternative to this.
And the price list is ugly everywhere now, alas (((.
In general, the only thing in my opinion that is always missing: these are pins.
Here the production of entobulavok would be useful to establish exactly smile.gif

11.03.2015 18:25, Peter Khramov

If it were possible, they would have picked it up long ago... However, if anyone has seen such tweezers for 150 rubles at retail - it will be very interesting.

11.03.2015 19:15, vasiliy-feoktistov

If it were possible, they would have picked it up long ago... However, if anyone has seen such tweezers for 150 rubles at retail - it will be very interesting.

Offhand:
Write 0.1 mm thickness.: http://biene-bienen.com/ru/product/ostroko...et-0-1-mm..html
True, not 150, but 158 rubles. And the apiary is also connected with entomology smile.gif

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 11.03.2015 19: 19

12.03.2015 0:32, Barnaba

It seems to me that special "entomological" tweezers, if relevant, are for butterflies. Having worked on beetles for many years, I have never purchased them, although I have a decent arsenal of different tweezers for different applications. Previously, I "got" them in various intricate ways at home, but then its bins were emptied and at the same time it became possible to purchase them abroad, where there is a huge selection. It is cheaper and most convenient to order, after careful study, in online stores, especially in Amazon and especially in the United States.
Unfortunately, I am skeptical about the production of tweezers in Russia (and in general anything of high quality, technological, but inexpensive and narrow demand, for "amateurs", pins are also included here); (. Decent tweezers have always been imported to us. Another thing is that with a certain skill, you can successfully use everything that you can get.
The best price-quality ratio for tweezers in all the countries where I was interested in this belongs to the products of Pakistan. Recently, there are quite decent tweezers made in China, but a lot of frank sludge. In both cases, it is better to take their products promoted by a well - known Western dealer-they are somewhat more expensive, but they pass the control, sometimes quite tough. Tweezers made in developed countries are sometimes very good, and more often they are no better than, say, Pakistani ones, but they are always much more expensive, because with guaranteed quality and brand, they go into the category of "professional" equipment. On the other hand, saving a couple of pupaars on tweezers by purchasing the cheapest versions of the selected models, even knowing for sure that both were produced in the same country and are indistinguishable in appearance, turned out to be completely unjustified. Then the stiffness is not the same, then the geometry of the sponges, then the acid does not hold, etc.
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12.03.2015 0:55, Barnaba

You may be curious to see what tweezers I use, what they are used for, and how much they cost when purchased from a foreign online store. Prices are minimal, as I am thrifty wink.gif.
The simplest ones are direct ones for the "field", multifunctional ones. They should be moderately hard, stainless, acid-resistant, with not very large spread of sponges, so that they can be used for household purposes, pick up a dead groundhog, cow cake or other unappetizing substance, bend the bark. For collecting delicate insects, they are not the best option. The most common size is 150-200mm, the longer ones are less convenient to carry and work with. The usual price is 4-5 USD.

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12.03.2015 1:00, Barnaba

A more suitable option for collecting is the so - called "safe" tweezers, they should be quite soft, then with some skill they can carefully collect even small and soft invertebrates (as well as small dangerous snakes and anything else that is better not to touch with your hands). Force operations with rigid materials are best avoided.
It is more profitable to purchase them in sets (for example, 8+10+12 inches), then they cost 5-7 USD apiece. 2-4 times more expensive are especially long tweezers of this type (my favorite is 45cm), but this is mainly not for insects. In the photo below, Aven products, Pakistani "branded" tweezers of decent quality.

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12.03.2015 1:06, Barnaba

I especially love "collapsible" tweezers, as I call them - long, 150-200mm, but with curved branches. They are very convenient for sorting dust, collecting insects among garbage and pebbles - it is convenient to operate from above and have a good view. Quite soft, with a large spread. They can be in a "safe" version, or you can sand the corrugated board on the sponges. They cost 8-15 USD.

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12.03.2015 1:17, Barnaba

"Always with you" - a small (100-125mm), moderately soft tweezers with bent thin, but strong, pointed sponges. One copy at a time in my car, city backpack, vest pocket," nabryushnik " for excursions. It must be precise and acid-resistant. The riffle can be removed, but in general it does not interfere. It is suitable for collecting small things, layouts from stain and everything in the world. It is used both in the field and during the initial analysis of the material. The price is 5-8 USD.

This post was edited by Barnaba - 12.03.2015 01: 19

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12.03.2015 1:45, Barnaba

For basic operations with the material, tweezers of the previous type are used, but softer and smaller (60-100mm), with straight or curved sponges, and more special ones. Usually Pakistani stainless steel (7-12 USD)," eye " GDR-ovskie left over from Soviet times. I recently purchased a fairly decent and generally quite convenient Chinese soldering kit (it cost some ridiculous money, about 5 USD for 4 tweezers, including delivery), but I still like my favorite "holes" (analog in the photo) more. "Holes" - branded surgical precision tweezers with extra thin sponges (primary class) if you are lucky, you can buy for 12-15 USD, especially gold, but usually 20-25, and titanium is more expensive. These are tweezers for finer operations.
There are also very special surgical tweezers, they have the ends of sponges made of particularly strong steel drawn in the likeness of dissecting needles. Accordingly, they are used. The photo shows examples of such tweezers from VetMed and Wiha. buy them for 30-40 USD - cheap.
Of course, for all sorts of special cases (for example, perforating plastic containers, etc.), there are also quite "sharpened" devices for this, but the above groups, it seems to me, are needed by all buggers.

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12.03.2015 13:00, Peter Khramov

What are the prices including delivery?

13.03.2015 13:27, Barnaba

What are the prices including delivery?

Prices for free shipping in the United States are shown. For example, on Amazon, this is easy to achieve with a personal discount, a certain purchase amount, or choosing products of the "Prime" category, or others with free or very cheap delivery (once I paid $ 1 for 2 tweezers). Sometimes you should wait a bit for the offer of the selected product with free or cheap delivery. If you pay for delivery, but group purchases, the delivery price will average$ 2 per tweezer, depending on the weight and quantity.
In Russia, in an online store, if you can get a qualified review about a product, or touch it with your hands, prices can be 2-2. 5 times higher for inexpensive models (with a larger difference, I personally would wait for a trip if it doesn't light up). With the old rate (35r), I would buy tweezers that cost$ 5 (less than 200r) on Amazon, if necessary, in Russia for 350-400r. Whether I will buy it now for 600r is a big question, most likely not. But this, of course, depends on the availability of an alternative option. This is true for low-cost models (up to$ 15 there, up to 1000r here). More expensive special models (from$ 30 there) have prospects for sale here, only if they cost a little more than there. You can often "sharpen", sometimes literally, cheaper tweezers for specific purposes.
How to establish the supply of tweezers in Russia now, it is difficult to say. The easiest way is to choose from what is already delivered for other purposes. Most difficult to produce. When I rarely traveled abroad myself, I asked my friends to buy it on Amazon and send it to Russia by slow mail, along with books and other equipment. It was inexpensive, a weighty package cost $ 65-80 (I don't remember exactly, about$8 per kg). If the declared value is less than$ 300 and less than 3 units of goods of each name, customs payment was not taken. Like now, I don't know.
MB. find it closer than in the USA (Germany?), but it is more expensive there, because prices are in Euros. If you buy officially, you need decent volumes (more in China), you need to have samples and be sure that they will deliver exactly what they showed. There are a lot of companies abroad that complete small orders from China, Pakistan, and anywhere else for reasonable money. We don't have many of them, but we've met them.
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16.03.2015 18:10, entomolog

Offhand:
Write 0.1 mm thickness.: http://biene-bienen.com/ru/product/ostroko...et-0-1-mm..html
True, not 150, but 158 rubles. And the apiary is also connected with entomology smile.gif

True, not in rubles, but in hryvnias...)
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18.03.2015 10:05, vasiliy-feoktistov

The truth is not in rubles, but in hryvnias...)

But I didn't see it. Russian language of the site got confused smile.gif

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