The Red Book and insects

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14.12.2018 12:13, Sergey Didenko

Of course, the question of whether local Bashkir zoologists will be able to adequately cope on their own when creating a Red Book on such a huge class of animals as insects, even with proper funding, remains open. There are still many weaknesses in the work of local entomologists - small-scale nature, excessive self-citation, lack of systematic literature, etc. The situation resembles "brews in their own juice". I will give some examples of works.

Gerasimov, 2017, On the entomofauna of the lake's environs. Kandry-kul (Bashkiria)

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Khabibullin, 2018 Invertebrate species new to the Bashkortostan fauna based on archival data of the Department of Zoology of Bashkir State University

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Migranov, Valuev, 2018 Rare insect encounters in the north-west of Bashkiria in 2018

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The last article you attached is an excellent confirmation of the lack of specialists! If a friend named Valuev (the author of this article) is engaged in the Red Book, then nothing good can be expected from it. In this article, he called Diacrisia sannio the autumn silkworm Lemonia taraxaci!!!!!
And what, because both are yellow

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14.12.2018 22:16, niyaz

The last article you attached is an excellent confirmation of the lack of specialists! If a friend named Valuev (the author of this article) is engaged in the Red Book, then nothing good can be expected from it. In this article, he called Diacrisia sannio the autumn silkworm Lemonia taraxaci!!!!!
Why, they're both yellow

Well, there are not only problems with the definition of Diacrisia sannio. At the expense of the Admiral, about the mass appearance of which in 2018 in the middle page was not written only by a lazy journalist, we have already said above. In addition, there were unsuccessful attempts to assign priority to Nemophora degeerella, which was cited by Eversman for the Urals region and which was further indicated for the territory of the Republic of Belarus in 7-8 publications, as well as to Nemophora metallica, which was cited by Trofimova Tatiana in her dissertation for the Republic of Belarus. Here, probably, a big responsibility lies with the first author, M. G. Migranov, who positions himself more as a lepidopterist. Many people are familiar with his definition of daytime butterflies. Back in the 90s, he left lepidopterology and went into agrobiology. He defended his doctorate in the fight against the Colorado potato beetle, developed a whole line of pesticides, and now in his new articles, for some reason, he is sincerely surprised by the decrease in the number of butterflies compared to the 70s of the last century.
Sergey, did the rest of the work seem normal?

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15.12.2018 7:59, molek

And what will these "lepidopterologists" write about the admiral in 2018??? Is it also rare in Bashkiria??? In the Central Federal District and in the North-West, it was "at least eat your ass" (sorry for my "French")

In general, there seems to be a third article about this year:
"Proving our point of view, namely that the admiral is a rare species for the republic, we report that in 2018, this butterfly was found only in two of the 7 north-western regions we studied (Birsky, Burayevsky, Ilishevsky, Kaltasinsky, Krasnokamsky, Kushnarenkovsky and Mishkinsky) – Birsky and Kaltasinsky. In the latter, on a route of 6 km, 9 individuals of this species were found. Moreover, 5 of them stayed in the same place from morning to evening (Fig. 4) " .

16.12.2018 8:05, А.Й.Элез

In general, there seems to be a third article about this year:
"Proving our point of view, namely that the admiral is a rare species for the republic, we report that in 2018, this butterfly was found only in two of the 7 north-western regions we studied (Birsky, Burayevsky, Ilishevsky, Kaltasinsky, Krasnokamsky, Kushnarenkovsky and Mishkinsky) – Birsky and Kaltasinsky. In the latter, on a route of 6 km, 9 individuals of this species were found. And 5 of them stayed in the same place from morning till evening (Fig. 4)."

Especially touching there-about the route with a length of 6 km. And who and on what grounds approved exactly such a route (although they didn't say which one) SPECIFICALLY FOR the ADMIRAL - unless, of course, they were just looking for it along the way, without burdening themselves with methods, standards and programs for complex faunal research - is not reported. Judging by such a greyhound of legs - diligence is not reasonable, this is clearly not about searching for autumn on perennial astras (on roadsides, vacant lots, on city lawns and in suburban areas).

God forbid, at least, that they did not start protecting the bed bug - it is clearly much less likely to meet him on the 666 km of their "route" than the admiral. True, they forgot to mention the background against which the "admiral" is rare. But its rarity will be proven only when there is information about all the finds of all known supposedly non - "rare" insects of the republic on these and many other "routes", confirming that ALL these thousands of species are found there MORE often than the admiral. However, to do this, the authors would have to work in good faith, i.e. draw conclusions about the rarity of a particular species based on a continuous methodically impeccable analysis of the fauna, and not limit their attention biased to those few species that other crooks have slipped them without any scientific grounds.

Of course, it is quite improbable that in the same season these Figaros managed to explore seven (!) areas with sufficient completeness for their sweeping conclusions - but such nonsense is quite in the spirit of our Figaros from entomology. And the conclusion is not iron, since the parcels are oak: if, they say, WE did not meet many admirals, then it is definitely rare.

The fact that they were looking for not only active imagos, but also caterpillars is not mentioned (this is according to the admiral!); but this is why we can assume that they were not looking, since when writing legends about "rarities", it is not customary to remember the existence of preimaginal stages at all, like spitting against the wind.

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18.12.2018 13:56, Andrei Dolgikh

I have a feeling that the CC, especially in the regions , is just a kind of obligation for local officials. How are there no Red Book views?! Find and deposit!!! Look at the CC of the Novgorod region, especially in the part of lepidoptera. Is this insanity or something, but so that it is? And then - what? Security measures? "Biotope protection"?!!! How's that? Narrow-local species, individual populations-I agree-more or less real. But, gentlemen-fellow native nature guards, how are you going to protect the same swallowtail? Come to Novgorodchina - we have all the abandoned fields, floodplains of rivers, roadsides and paths in the summer white with all sorts of blooming umbrella trees! And no one needs to destroy these biotopes! And the notorious mnemosyne?! Yes, we have it along almost all the rivers and rivulets flying! And how many of these rivers and rivulets do we have? And C. fraxini, A. iris,.... Here is the Colorado potato beetle-this is now a really narrow-minded species - I couldn't find a single beetle for the owner this year (well, he really wanted to see this terrible pest)! I've only caught one cabbage for the whole season! Maybe we'll add them to the CC as well?!

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21.12.2018 14:35, Andrei Dolgikh

In the subject, not in the subject, but....
How many people have even flipped through these CC's? We do not take into account narrow specialists and compilers. I've been asking our nature conservationists, over the summer. Standard response: "What's there to read? It is clear that swans and cranes cannot be shot!".

But such sites have https://selo.guru/rastenievodstvo/sukkulent...ch/bolshoj.html 7.5 thousand subscribers! And I was told about it as "very useful" by a lady who is studying to be a landscape designer at our university!
And what do we see?!
Interestingly, the caterpillar of which sawfly is depicted here as a pest of cleaning?

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28.12.2018 21:39, Nemov

Well, what can I say? Valuev?
It is necessary to study the literature on methods of including insects in the CC.
In general terms, eurybiotic species and migrants, such as the admiral, cannot be included in any CC, since they can live in almost any biotopes. They are also migrants.
And is it a lot or a little - about 1 admiral per kilometer of the route? And from what distance can a pedestrian see the admiral? It turns out that about 5 or slightly more admirals were seen on an area of about 60 hectares (6000x100 m). And if you take a parallel route 200 m from the main one? And what else? A eurybiont migrant, such as the admiral, can be seen in dozens of copies. And how much of it is there in the entire territory of Bashkiria (maybe, except for large agrocenoses)? The bill will go to hundreds of thousands. In addition, a migrant who constantly arrives from the west.
Dear T. Valuev! Insects have long been introduced to the CC not only because they are large and beautiful, but also because they are local and vulnerable - that is, they live in small, specific and vulnerable areas. To do this, you need to attract specialists who know where and who to look for.

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