Western Sayan, July 2012

З. Sayan, that's good, but it's a little late for butterflies. If by helicopter, then the snow and water level in the rivers are not so important. And here's how Agafya Karpovna Lykova will look at it...

Z. Sayan, this is good, but it's a little late for butterflies. If by helicopter, then the snow and water level in the rivers are not so important.

For those who are close to the camp — yes (if the location is chosen accordingly). For runners, it's still important. On the other hand, if I understand correctly, depending on the height above sea level. m. the timing of the summer of local butterflies can change. Or can't they?
If you were there — it will be very interesting to read about the impressions and the species composition of butterflies with heights and time.

And here's how Agafya Karpovna Lykova will look at it...

Duc, he won't notice, he won't notice!)

For those who are close to the camp — yes (if the location is chosen accordingly). For runners, it's still important. On the other hand, if I understand correctly, depending on the height above sea level. m. the timing of the summer of local butterflies can change. Or can't they?
If you were there — it will be very interesting to read about the impressions and the species composition of butterflies with heights and time.

You ask interesting questions! Usually, however, when choosing a place to go, first determine the goals. Deadlines also depend on goals. In this case, I wonder what you can catch there that is special, which is not available in other places? Or is the goal just to get into the middle of nowhere?

I agree with the goals — If a lot of babochnikov is recruited, then we can talk about a shift in terms (the benefit is that there is still time to shift the time of vacations, etc.), but again, I want to be sure that yes, everything will be much better for two weeks with so-called fishing (or, in my case, shooting), regardless of the heights.
In the case of a pawn, I just sit on the tail of a tourist or tourists who are going to where, in fact, the idea originally came from. And the fact that, perhaps, these same butterflies can (can?) seeing in more accessible places doesn't really matter.
P.S. In general, if I understand correctly, beetleologists, and not butterfly-catchers, are most enthusiastic about the local places...

This post was edited by Asar - 08/15/2011 12: 16

For those who are close to the camp — yes (if the location is chosen accordingly). For runners, it's still important. On the other hand, if I understand correctly, depending on the height above sea level. m. the timing of the summer of local butterflies can change. Or can't they?
If you were there — it will be very interesting to read about the impressions and the species composition of butterflies with heights and time.
Duc, he won't notice, he won't notice!)

Yes, of course the deadlines change. I was on Z. Sayans repeatedly. I think that the best expert on these places is Anton Nikolaev from Moscow. There are butterflies there too - the whole set of Siberian erebia, eneis, eversmanni, phoebe, nomion, very good dipper, very good carabus. The tundra is very good. But note that on the stony tundras in the mountains above the Sayan Pass (Abaza-Ak-Dovurak highway), butterflies (even high-altitude ones) E. pandrose, P. centaurea, O. bore-ammon begin to fly around June 5 in a normal year, and everything else is already flying by 15.06. 10-20. 07. it will be possible to catch only tails and Erebia females. In the forest belt, the picture is about the same. Already the numbers from June 10-everything departs in erebia, O. magna, jutta. We need to prepare for the mosquito! to the midge and to the horsefly! In some places you can die.
Don't touch Agafya.

I think that the best expert on these places is Anton Nikolaev from Moscow.

This one http://jugan2.narod.ru/a_nik.html or some other way?

There are butterflies there too - the whole set of Siberian erebia, eneis, eversmanni, phoebe, nomion, very good dipper, very good carabus. The tundra is very good. But note that on the stony tundras in the mountains above the Sayan Pass (Abaza-Ak-Dovurak highway), butterflies (even high-altitude ones) E. pandrose, P. centaurea, O. bore-ammon begin to fly around June 5 in a normal year, and everything else is already flying by 15.06. 10-20. 07. it will be possible to catch only tails and Erebia females. In the forest belt, the picture is about the same. Already the numbers from June 10-everything departs in erebia, O. magna, jutta.

Thank you for your review! But everyone here keeps telling me that there's still a lot of snow in June. Please explain the contradiction, it seems that we are talking about the same places...

Don't touch Agafya.

No one seems to have touched it. Where does this attention come from?

This post was edited by Asar - 08/15/2011 16: 04

This one http://jugan2.narod.ru/a_nik.html or some other way?
He's the one

Thank you for your review! But everyone here keeps telling me that there's still a lot of snow in June. Please explain the contradiction, it seems that we are talking about the same places...

in the valleys below, ice can last until July. The tops thaw and fly as soon as everything comes down and warms up. once a friend of mine was in Aktau on a repeater - anyone who understands where this is will understand in January. In Aktash (1600) -39, on the repeater (2980) - -2. Not always the higher the colder.

No one seems to have touched it. Where does this attention come from?

Attention - out of respect. My traditional toast is to the health of Agafya Lykova. Take it as a joke.

A little later, I will post out the route outline, maybe then the contradictions will be resolved, and it will be clearer whether it is walking in butterfly time or not. And then so with T. Z. butterflies may really be better in 3 km from the highway, but in June, and with T. Z. tourism — in hell, but in July-August...

and everything else is already flying by 15.06.

Does it fly apart — meaning, does it start flying en masse or does it stop flying altogether?..

So, for greater certainty, I lay out an approximate route (in the case of a pawn). The enlarged image (2MB) opens when you click on the small one. How should everything be OK in June? Or is it only if you don't go too far from the road everything is OK?

Good places, I've been dreaming of getting there myself for a long time. However, the helicopter, I think, a little steep.

And, if I'm not mistaken, this is already Tyva, where locals can ride with ruzhbaykami, and this is already somewhat dangerous.

Partly Tuva, just the southern slope. But if I understand correctly, local frostbitten variants are more likely to be found closer to localities, and in the field people are more sane. However, this is speculation, if anyone met — share your experience.
As for the helicopter — if there are enough people, then nothing very cool, a continuous saving of time and effort. And besides, it may also be possible to fly in from the Altai side, it should be easier there with planes (only one office flies to Abakan, monopolists, damn it). If you don't get enough people, you can also go on foot, which should also be quite interesting for yourself.

For example, people sometimes need to leave for no more than 2 weeks (vacation is limited or something). In the helicopter version, it may be sufficient. In the pedestrian zone — for example, I am unlikely to go for less than 20 days...

This post was edited by Asar - 18.08.2011 00: 18

The people in Tuva in the field are absolutely normal and not much different from ordinary shepherds in any cattle-breeding country. But small towns and villages... In addition, these places are poorly populated. The route is very good and promising. The problem is high water in June. By June 15, everything will be flying en masse in a normal year.

I had the idea to ride horses to the Sayan Mountains, but with a generator. I saw that there are already horse hikes in Ergaki, maybe you can find them here. And judging by the number of people who are discussing this topic , it is unlikely that there will be a helicopter.

The problem is high water in June. By June 15, everything will be flying en masse in a normal year.

That is, after all, there should be plenty of snow (in some places) and water at this time?

I had the idea to ride horses to the Sayan Mountains, but with a generator. I saw that there are already horse hikes in Ergaki, maybe you can find them here. And judging by the number of people who are discussing this topic , it is unlikely that there will be a helicopter.

Which is unlikely-et and with a tenfold larger number is still unlikely :--) And with regard to the generator-duc tea and with some kind of car battery without any horses, it will be possible to work well...

That is, after all, there should be plenty of snow (in some places) and water at this time?

There can be not just a lot of snow, but a lot of it. As well as water... The places are very wet.

There can be not just a lot of snow, but a lot of it. As well as water... The places are very wet.

Uh-huh, so the tourists were right after all... And when you said that everything is OK with snow, did you mean other places simply? Or take a walk along the highway?

the highlands will thaw, and the valleys will be full of snow. impassable

I see, thanks for the clarification. Yes, if there are no helicopters, it looks like it will be a bit difficult in June...