The story of Alexander Ignatenko. Russian scientist faces 40 years in prison

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Bear, 14.05.2020 8:21

The scientist initially took a risk — Sri Lanka has strict laws regarding the collection and sale of rare animals and insects. Ignatenko and his comrades were stopped at the exit from the national park, almost by accident. The Russians were delayed and returned to the exit half an hour after closing time. Something aroused suspicion. When examining Ignatenko, they found dead beetles in his pockets, which he "found the day before on the highway knocked down and simply forgot to put out of his pocket." Employees of the national park did not really understand and called the police.

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14.05.2020 12:56, Coelioxys

It's pretty obvious that the guy was just unlucky. Ran into an inspection, hence all these negative consequences. One hundred thousand people drive to Sri Lanka and similar places and take out tons of material from there without any problems. Moreover, most of them are for sale. The motive of this case is unknown to us, but it is clear that the arguments about "scientist", "was going to return", etc., even from a distance, look untenable.
40 years in prison and 3 lam fine - the choice is obvious. Surely, with a competent lawyer, you can cut down the amount of the fine every 10 times. Well, the guy should be helped by friends, relatives and the zoo, at least.
P. S. Maybe from commerce who knows him and will tell the truth?

(I apologize in advance if I came up with something superfluous)

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15.05.2020 20:02, Yuri Babochkin

The right guy, I feel sorry for him. Nature benefits from such seizures of invertebrate units, and the zoo's collections benefit from them. Just like the second Australia, where draconian "environmental protection" laws that do not allow the export of any animals at all, not one species is completely extinct.

Z lama of what? A zoo? Are you sure you live in Russia?

And I don't even know how to kill a bug in 30 minutes (not even taking into account the time to collect it). So I quite believe that the beetles sold the car dead, and not even killed by a car, but dead of old age. They can lie around for a long time. Keeper. if he caught it, he'd rather try to get it home alive.

But people tried, searched, and provided the links above. What units? Who died of old age? 500 pieces "I found and carried in my pocket, so that later I could return them to their place", among them live lizards and anyone else who is not there. At least read it, so as not to look stupid.

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15.05.2020 21:17, Tentator

Good gentlemen, the question in this case should be something else, namely, whether it is possible to grab a person, throw them in jail and extort money without proof. Scientist or non-scientist, what he is interested in, what is in his head, whether he is like everyone else or not – this should not concern either you or the policemen. If you are caught at the border with prohibited material for export, if there are surveillance videos or witnesses of how he waved a net in a national park-this is one thing. But if you have lawlessly searched and found some insects and the person says that they collected them dead, outside the park, and if they are alive, then for photographing - this is different. Has the presumption of innocence already been lifted? Prove that you violated it, then put it in jail and demand money. In this case, there is no evidence. And there are no hundreds of instances. I have seen a list compiled by illiterate local zoologists, with errors in Latin and taxonomy: invertebrates are almost entirely banal species, there are even pests. The list even included fruit bones from a garbage bag, a boar's tooth bought at the market as a souvenir, and some plant parts that were put in a field diary as bookmarks. I know the man personally as a schoolboy: he has never been seen in any commercial fees, and many well-known entomologists who know him will be able to confirm this. Direct your hatred to those who truly deserve it.

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15.05.2020 21:31, Oleg Belkin

Good gentlemen, the question in this case should be something else, namely, whether it is possible to grab a person, throw them in jail and extort money without proof. Scientist or non-scientist, what he is interested in, what is in his head, whether he is like everyone else or not – this should not concern either you or the policemen. If you are caught at the border with prohibited material for export, if there are surveillance videos or witnesses of how he waved a net in a national park-this is one thing. But if you have lawlessly searched and found some insects and the person says that they collected them dead, outside the park, and if they are alive, then for photographing - this is different. Has the presumption of innocence already been lifted? Prove that you violated it, then put it in jail and demand money. In this case, there is no evidence. And there are no hundreds of instances. I have seen a list compiled by illiterate local zoologists, with errors in Latin and taxonomy: invertebrates are almost entirely banal species, there are even pests. The list even included fruit bones from a garbage bag, a boar's tooth bought at the market as a souvenir, and some plant parts that were put in a field diary as bookmarks. I know the man personally as a schoolboy: he has never been seen in any commercial fees, and many well-known entomologists who know him will be able to confirm this. Direct your hatred at those who truly deserve it.

There is no hatred, well, the offender was not lucky, they were detained. The court will review and punish you in accordance with local law. And tell us about the dead animals that were found on the road, bones, video cameras when, for example, on the border of the Rostov region in Tsukorovaya Balka, they are detained with roe deer or wild boar not in the hunting season.

19.05.2020 22:40, ИНО

But people tried, searched, and provided the links above. What units? Who died of old age? 500 pieces "I found and carried in my pocket, so that later I could return them to their place", among them live lizards and anyone else who is not there. At least read it, so as not to look stupid.

How do you think the collections of small terrarium animals are being updated, including in zoos? In 99% of cases, either exactly the same or the same, but through intermediaries. It's sooo rare that a sooo cool zoo like the one in Moscow or St. Petersburg can afford to send an official animal collection expedition at taxpayer expense.

I see that there are few people here who are interested in keeping live animals, more and more specialists in drying on pins. That's what I don't understand. A collection of dry insects collected in nature can be justified by a single purpose - scientific. And those who stupidly hang "shoblo" on the wall or even put it in the closet, and even buy it for this are strange people. Enemies of nature, definitely

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20.05.2020 23:46, Oleg Belkin

How do you think the collections of small terrarium animals are being updated, including in zoos? In 99% of cases, either exactly the same or the same, but through intermediaries. It's sooo rare that a sooo cool zoo like the one in Moscow or St. Petersburg can afford to send an official animal collection expedition at taxpayer expense.

I see that there are few people here who are interested in keeping live animals, more and more specialists in drying on pins. That's what I don't understand. A collection of dry insects collected in nature can be justified by a single purpose - scientific. And those who stupidly hang "shoblo" on the wall or even put it in the closet, and even buy it for this are strange people. Enemies of nature, definitely

I see that you confuse menageries/contact zoos with serious zoos. No need to cast a shadow on the Rostov zoo. The management of a serious zoo in the exhibition of dubious origin of animals for nothing is not necessary. Dura lex sed lex. Let the Sri Lankans count millions of beetles, these are their beetles and the dead on the road are also theirs. Your logical series with Gioconda certainly deserves a separate test.

21.05.2020 0:54, ИНО

You wrote complete nonsense. Go to the insectarium of the zoo (or whatever you have there instead), say that you want to give/sell a cheap adult female teraphosa blondi, and see if they ask you for documents (passport with chelicerae prints

), ali is not present. If, of course, there is now a normal keeper left at all.

Once again, for people not in the subject: so 99% of invertebrate and small reptile cultures have an origin at best similar to the above story, at worst - they are caught by a local uncle and sent around the world for money. And the latter option is much less favorable for livestock. The uncle usually does not have a lot of time and enthusiasm for care and is only interested in babosiki, so he dies before he has time to find a buyer, he has the vast majority of those caught. Well, all sorts of delivery services also do not add vitality to the beast compared to transportation in luggage or hand luggage.

And yes, some species were saved from total extinction in this way.