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What will happen to the caterpillar and to me?

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guest: Ирина, 21.06.2006 10:24

Dear entomologists and fellow entomologists,

Please give me some advice.

The scene is located in the Moscow region. On Saturday, I found a huge caterpillar on the street. Length 8 cm, black, very hairy, white spots on the sides. My colleagues say that they often meet such people on country walks. So I think it's not uncommon. Can you tell from this description what kind of species it is? If not, I can post a photo.

I brought the caterpillar home to take a picture. I took a picture next to the measuring tape, then I wanted to take a picture on the palm of my hand (it's the size of my little finger) for greater effect. When I put it in my palm, it curled up. I put it away and after a few minutes I felt a burning sensation on my palm. A closer look revealed that the caterpillar's place was covered with black hairs that bit into its skin like glass wool. I washed them off with soap. But a day later, exactly in the place where the caterpillar lay, and exactly in the shape of the spiral in which it coiled, pimples appeared on the palm, such subcutaneous transparent grains. My palm itches. What's it? It's not dangerous? Will it pass soon? If I don't understand what I wrote, I can take a picture (but I still hope it's okay smile.gif)

On Sunday evening, the caterpillar was still crawling in the jar, and on Monday morning it was already wrapped in a cocoon! Can you expect a butterfly to come out of it? And how long to wait for this (approximately)? Do you need any special conditions (I understand that she no longer needs to eat)?

Then it's even more interesting! Today (i.e. Wednesday) in the morning, the contents of the cocoon slightly decreased in volume (it is translucent, so you can see it). And around it crawls 9 small (about 1 cm) colorless caterpillars. What should I feed them? What conditions should I create? Will they grow up as adults?

Thank you so much to everyone who responds!

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21.06.2006 10:58, Dmitrii Musolin

I have an allergy on my hand. I think that it is not dangerous (if you are still fine) and will pass soon.

Most likely, 9 parasite(s)came out of the cocoon. That is, the butterfly will no longer be there. Whether adult insects will turn out from parasites is a big question. Apparently, they no longer need to eat, but they need to pupate. You probably need earth (or sand). Then a lot depends on what kind of cycle this type of parasite has - - - whether wintering is needed or adult insects will come out of their cocoons soon... If you are wintering, then it is difficult...
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21.06.2006 11:00, vilgeforce

With you, most likely, nothing terrible will happen. So it should be - no wonder the caterpillar is hairy, it is a protection from predators.

But with the caterpillar, I'm afraid, everything is already bad. For some reason, I think that it is the parasites that have been eliminated from it. Colleagues, am I right? In general, photos of small guenichek should be viewed.

Most importantly, don't throw them away! Maybe you can find out something interesting.
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21.06.2006 11:15, Bear

Everything! Cut your hand! Urgently! Over the sink...smile.gifDo you know the scary story of the fly man?

21.06.2006 11:30, Guest

Yyyyy!! yyy! weep.gif weep.gif weep.gif

Parasites, you say? weep.gif weep.gif

Do insects also have parasites? eek.gif Okay, I'll take a picture of them. But at a dilettante glance, they are the most nondescript - whitish translucent caterpillars (the insides are visible) about 8 mm in length.
The original caterpillar looked more interesting. And she was so sprightly...
Are you sure she's already dead?" Or can we watch some more? And how to distinguish the dead from the developing one? After what time exactly can you expect nothing more from her?

I won't throw it out. It turns out that you need to pour a layer of earth into the jar? Are you sure you don't need to feed them?

In general, this is very interesting. Thank you, Musolin and vilgeforce!

21.06.2006 11:35, vilgeforce

Even as there are parasites!

They probably don't need to be fed any more - they've eaten the whole caterpillar. And the fact that she was cheerful - so that's the trick. They probably ate it right - the fat first, but only when it was no longer left, the vital organs quickly ate it. By the way, do you have a can of gauze closed? Otherwise, the parasites will probably hatch something flying.

21.06.2006 11:38, guest: Ирина

Dear Bear,

You're laughing... And I also thought about itfrown.gif, it looks like my skin reaction is not like an allergy (i.e. there is no swelling, redness, peeling). But just local translucent hard grains under the skin.

Reassuring is the rational understanding that, theoretically, the caterpillar should not delay anything, especially through its hairs. But when I think that 9 maggots got out of it, I want to take your kind advice weep.gif

That's interesting: do these hairs act as stinging cells (chemical weapons) or as glass wool needles (piercing weapons)? What will happen if this is a bacteriological weapon, I don't even want to think confused.gif
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21.06.2006 11:38, Dmitrii Musolin

Almost everyone has parasites! (mothers-in-law don't even count now!). "You'll laugh", but these parasites may already have their own superparasites - - - I'm serious.

She died for sure (or soon sovem will die). My condolences...

I think, yes, pour sand, but there are no guarantees, because it is often difficult to remove parasites, especially without knowing the species... You don't need to feed them.

You are welcome!

Dmitry.
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21.06.2006 11:42, guest: Ирина

Dear vilgeforce,

The jar is not covered with gauze shuffle.gif. What, you don't have to go home? frown.gif

Maybe they won't be able to get out in one day yet.

21.06.2006 11:47, Dmitrii Musolin

don't be afraid about your hand. this is your reaction to a mild poison.

Either resolve (preferably wait), or puncture and disinfect.

21.06.2006 12:05, vilgeforce

Dear vilgeforce,

The jar is not covered with gauze shuffle.gif. What, you don't have to go home? frown.gif

Maybe they won't be able to get out in one day yet.


They probably won't make it in time. Pupate is still necessary.
In general, fill them with sand/earth, cover with gauze and leave them alone. If the caterpillars disappear soon (they don't die, but disappear somewhere), it means that they have buried themselves in the soil and pupated. After that, leave them alone. Maybe some flies will come out soon and show up in the jar. Here they need to be photographed and a couple of carefully zamorit.

21.06.2006 14:46, guest: Ирина

Latest news from the tracked action theater. My mom just called. Small caterpillars are already about 13 people. And my mother saw how one of them got out of the cocoon of a large caterpillar.

They do not eat the leaves lying in the jar, but try to dig under them. So the advice about adding earth seems to be confirmed.

The big caterpillar is clearly no longer a tenant. Do you think it might be worth dissecting it (for educational purposes)? Or would you not? shuffle.gif

I wanted to attach a lifetime photo of a large caterpillar to the message, but I didn't find how to do this (I only see the ability to put a link to the image already posted on the Network). Guests can't add trailers to messages?

21.06.2006 15:29, Helene

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21.06.2006 15:31, daniil naumoff

Guests can't. But you can register.

23.06.2006 0:37, guest: RoM

It seems to me that it was the caterpillar of a bear (kaya ???), since the cocoon is translucent. Cocoonworms have opaque, very dense cocoons. And the crawled parasites are probably flies. Coming soon smile.gif

23.06.2006 0:44, Chromocenter

"And the crawled parasites are probably flies. "
Why the flies and not the rider?"

23.06.2006 0:58, guest: RoM

Riders most often pupate directly on the victim, in small white cocoons, and flies are buried in the ground if the larvae manage to get out of the host's cocoon. Although it happens that puparia right there and stay.

23.06.2006 2:20, RippeR

Here I see signs of both, as I have not yet seen such small parasitic flies, especially in large butterflies, which usually have hefty flies. Flyworms usually emerge from a caterpillar that is about to pupate, but from pupae.. In general, I have little experience in parasitology, I'll go to sleep better smile.gif

23.06.2006 14:03, Helene

It seems to me that it was the caterpillar of a bear (kaya ???), since the cocoon is translucent.

She might not have finished weaving the cocoon , so that the parasite larvae wouldn't have too much trouble getting out smile.gif
Irina mentioned white spots on the sides of the caterpillar, but Kaya's caterpillars and, for that matter, matronula (the worm was very big for Kaya) do not have such design detailssmile.gif, and the burning ability is in favor of the cocoonworm: I haven't heard anyone itch from bears.
And what kind of parasite - we will find out if Irina has enough patience, and she will tell us about the result. smile.gif
IMHO the caterpillars are more similar to the larvae of perepons (Irina spoke about "small caterpillars coming out of the big one")
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23.06.2006 14:56, Ursa Major

This is me, the author of the topic-registered.

Many thanks to everyone who responded!

I upload a photo (I don't know in what order the "trailers" will be displayed, so I'll create a separate message for each photo).

First — the caterpillar itself. Can you identify her?"

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23.06.2006 14:58, Ursa Major

As she instigated me (it was 6 days ago, the reaction does not think to pass).

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23.06.2006 15:01, Ursa Major

Here is such a cocoon she made (or I don't know what entomologists call it correctly). The color of the cocoon is white (rather even colorless), the strong shade of the photo is given by the brown walls of the jar.
There are hairs sticking out of the cocoon!

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23.06.2006 15:03, Ursa Major

These are the caterpillars that emerged from this cocoon. There were 14 of them in total.

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23.06.2006 15:06, Ursa Major

Just a few hours after the appearance of these white caterpillars turned into such things. They're solid. They're pupae, aren't they?

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23.06.2006 15:11, Ursa Major

Now the cocoon looks like this. The arrow shows the hole through which the caterpillars came out. There's something small and shriveled inside the cocoon...

Here is such a photo chronicle. Do these images clarify anything (butterfly and parasite views, further predictions)?
Or maybe I met a viviparous caterpillar unknown to science? shuffle.gif

Caterpillars and pupae planted in the ground smile.gifwith Gauze tightened. Gently moisturize. While silent rolleyes.gif

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23.06.2006 15:13, Tigran Oganesov

These are puparia (pupae) of parasitic flies. Most likely tahinid.
The caterpillar was eaten, of course.
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23.06.2006 15:17, Ursa Major

And who would this caterpillar be?

23.06.2006 15:33, Helene

Welcome to register, Big Dipper! beer.gif

And who would this caterpillar be?

It was the cocoonworm Euthrix potatoria ("grass cocoonworm")

Female
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Male
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And the bubbles on the palm will pass when the epidermis is renewed (old cells will exfoliate along with stuck fragments of hair).
In the future, be careful with fluffy caterpillars - and your hands will be healthier, and the caterpillar's "fur"will be better. smile.gif
Shake off the find in a jar - and take it home to withdraw! smile.gif
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23.06.2006 15:40, Bear

That's so much more powerful! smile.gif [attachmentid()=8472]

This post was edited by Bear - 23.06.2006 15: 43

23.06.2006 15:58, Ursa Major

Thank you, dear Bear! lol.gif You can do this smile.gif

Helene, yes, I did — I shook it off in a jar, took it with tweezers to take a picture. But rashly decided that if I put it on the palm of my hand with tweezers, nothing will happen (well, the caterpillar does not shoot the table or the sheet on which you put it?) I'll be more careful in the future.

I really wanted a butterfly to appear! But parasites weep.gif weep.gif weep.gif
And what size is this grass cocoonworm?

23.06.2006 16:56, Helene

But rashly decided that if I put it on the palm of my hand with tweezers, nothing will happen (well, the caterpillar does not shoot the table or the sheet on which you put it?)

As far as I know, breaking off the hairs is a mechanical process, like in nettles. They're just very brittle. So it shoots at what it's lying on. smile.gif
Colleagues! please correct me if this is not the case shuffle.gif

23.06.2006 17:34, Dmitrii Musolin

 
Caterpillars and pupae planted in the ground smile.gifwith Gauze tightened. Gently moisturize.


If you planted it, did you bury it? I wouldn't bury half of it... and put it on top of the leaf on the ground... Maybe not all flies pupate in the ground or make a cradle for themselves?

23.06.2006 17:44, Ursa Major

Well, it almost turned out that way. Four of them were these... puparia. I dug them up quite a bit. Some of the caterpillars were somewhat sluggish, almost motionless, and were beginning to turn yellow (apparently, they were going to be puffed up smile.gif) And the three tracks were lively and active. All rosenits put on the surface. Most of them are buried. Two remained at the top (between the grains of soil). Today they are already too opuparilsya smile.gif

Can we expect visible results soon? So far, events have developed quite rapidly.

By the way, what will be possible to starve out flies (from the means available to a simple layman — there is no access to specific substances)?

23.06.2006 22:06, RippeR

this is much easier, I just put all these parasites, reptiles, parasites in a closed box, they come out perfectly. This usually takes from a week to a month. Released fools can be put in the freezer, you can spray alcohol, I personally do not touch them at all-they themselves die without any damage.

23.06.2006 22:23, Ok

Just don't laugh...
I also had a caterpillar removed from grapes about two weeks ago... big, big, and green, with one eye in her forehead... I wanted to take a picture of it, but I couldn't, it was very disgusting... (my mother took it off the grapes when she tied up the bushes. This caterpillar hung in an embrace with a grape tendril, the tendril was cut off together with the caterpillar)
I still then wanted to ask, but without a photo was shy...
what could it be???
length approximately 9-10 cm
thickness 1-1. 3 cm
eye (or something similar) - one in the middle of the forehead... or maybe I mixed up the ends of the caterpillar, maybe it's not an eye, but something behind?

Yes, in case anyone doesn't know, the area is North Texas...

If you have anything to say, I will be extremely grateful smile.gif
If you know her name, I'll be able to find her side by side, so I'll know what to ask in the store...

"I'd be very sorry if a creature like that digested it in half a day."..

23.06.2006 23:03, RippeR

1) Well, it will not eat grapes smile.gif
2) I think it's some kind of hawk moth. If there was a horn (a small outgrowth in the form of a horn on the back of the body), then yes, if not, then Fig. smile.gif
3) I do not know what can be found in America.. Maybe it's a peacock jacket or something else..

This post was edited by RippeR - 06/23/2006 23: 05

23.06.2006 23:18, Chromocenter

"I wanted to take a picture of her, but I couldn't, it was too disgusting..."
Yes, they are caterpillars... the cutest insects! (After beetles) And if you don't take the furry ones with your hands...
And the "eye" was, in my opinion, not on the "forehead", but on the pronotum. Although I don't know
, I wonder if she wanted to pupate if she was hanging on a mustache? Or how?

23.06.2006 23:28, Ok

Yeah, so it's still in the back redface.gif

she won't eat the grapes, because they won't be there after she eats all the leaves and tendrils; in general, I understand that caterpillars and grapes (fruit) don't intersect in time shuffle.gif

hawk moth, so mad.gifwhat kind of word is suitable for making pupae on grapes lol.gif

I offer my sincere apologies to all caterpillar lovers mol.gif

you know, there is such a concept in nature Texas Size, I see it firsthand every day wink.gif

23.06.2006 23:35, Ok

here, like IT, thank you very much for the title mol.gif

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Although, I'm not sure, I'll ask my mother in the evening, she talked to him longer smile.gif

24.06.2006 0:23, Chromocenter

"aha, so it's still behind "
is not quite shuffle.gifthe back - it's on top of the insect (it doesn't walk on two legs) wink.gif And the front and rear end - so this is on the legs: to which such short and thick ones are closer in the number of four pairs - then the back part.
"you know, such a concept in nature is Texas Size, every day I see firsthand"
I wonder what then will be "Yakutia size"? eek.gif

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