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beapet, 17.03.2010 15:13

help, good people, I was chopping wood and there were oak woodcutters in the ash stump, not much less than 9 pieces at once, I foolishly brought them into the house, put them in a box. Now they are alive, they want to live, they are looking for something, and I don't want to starve them, they are in the collection, so what do you want me to do? take them out in the cold? I don't know if they'll be gone until spring... Tell me how to save them so that they live until May, pliz... or is it im Khan now?

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17.03.2010 15:21, vasiliy-feoktistov

help, good people, I was chopping wood and there were oak woodcutters in the ash stump, not much less than 9 pieces at once, I foolishly brought them into the house, put them in a box. Now they are alive, they want to live, they are looking for something, and I don't want to starve them, they are in the collection, so what do you want me to do? take them out in the cold? I don't know if they'll be gone until spring... Tell me how to save them so that they live until May, pliz... or is it im Khan now?

Cerambyx cerdo? You will have to starve out apparently (bugs are good and can be useful for an exchange).

17.03.2010 17:53, Igor1962

Vasily-Feoktistov Are you from the Moscow region ? where did you get serambix serdo from? We have in Ukraine in the Donetsk region collect 30 years have not seen it .one kossus kosus

17.03.2010 17:55, Igor1962

I apologize for beapet message
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17.03.2010 18:00, vasiliy-feoktistov

Vasily-Feoktistov Are you from the Moscow region ? where did you get serambix serdo from? We have in Ukraine in the Donetsk region collect 30 years have not seen it .some kossus kosus

We've never had one, and we shouldn't have one. Just under the oak sawyere, I understood it (the question is there). And Cossus cossus is a butterfly (odorous treetop) and we have a lot of it.

18.03.2010 12:40, Hdhog

I only caught Cerambyx cerdo in the Crimea, although they say that they saw such beetles in the Velikoanadolsky district of the Donetsk region, but they may be confused smile.gif

18.03.2010 13:11, Igor1962

I spent 1979-1982 in the Velikoanadolsky forest and did not see the oak barbel at close range if it had been there then students would have caught it maybe now it has appeared

19.03.2010 8:47, vasiliy-feoktistov

Question to beapet: Please explain what the barbel is and where it comes from. There are a lot of them on the oak tree (so that there are no misunderstandings).
P. S. C. cerdo there are reliable finds in 1997 from Novorossiysk (Abrau-Durso). Maybe it's really closer to the Black Sea to look for?

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 19.03.2010 09: 03

19.03.2010 11:52, beapet

I answer-Cerambyx cerdo, the one I hunted for five years and once only found and placed in the collection, was caught in an ash tree stump (the stump is two years old). total mustache 9 pieces, beautiful, all alive, active, I do not know how to save them until spring (sorry to starve) There are four other stumps, also with beetles-I'm sure of that, there are larval holes, so long as I don't touch them, so as not to disturb them. The whole story, or tragedy (as you please)) it takes place in the Vinnytsia region, in the town of Zhmerinka

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19.03.2010 13:14, vasiliy-feoktistov

I answer-Cerambyx cerdo, the one I hunted for five years and once only found and placed in the collection, was caught in an ash tree stump (the stump is two years old). total mustache 9 pieces, beautiful, all alive, active, I do not know how to save them until spring (sorry to starve) There are four other stumps, also with beetles-I'm sure of that, there are larval holes, so long as I don't touch them, so as not to disturb them. The whole story, or tragedy (as you please)) it takes place in the Vinnytsia region, in the town of Zhmerinka

Yes, in my opinion, you will not save them alive (it is better to starve them out and leave them for exchange). Those who want to change will always be found, but do not touch the rest of the stumps (the beetles sitting in them know what to do) smile.gif.

19.03.2010 18:12, Liparus

I answer-Cerambyx cerdo, the one I hunted for five years and once only found and placed in the collection, was caught in an ash tree stump (the stump is two years old). total mustache 9 pieces, beautiful, all alive, active, I do not know how to save them until spring (sorry to starve) There are four other stumps, also with beetles-I'm sure of that, there are larval holes, so long as I don't touch them, so as not to disturb them. The whole story, or tragedy (as you please)) it takes place in the Vinnytsia region, in the town of Zhmerinka


Yes, it's better to starve, people are looking for and can't catch, and then you have already caught them.For the exchange of 9 pieces,it's probably not enough, beetles are in demand.In Crimea, there is another subspecies,or two species,and in Turkey there are similar species.

19.03.2010 19:34, Hdhog

can you see the photo?

19.03.2010 20:04, vasiliy-feoktistov

Not bad-would be.

19.03.2010 21:59, Victor Titov

Cerambyx cerdo, total mustache 9 pieces, beautiful, all alive, active, I do not know how to save them until spring (sorry to starve)

A strange pity. Well, do not die quickly with ethyl acetate, die slowly, just like that and for nothing (especially if they break off themselves while crawling stupidly). Listen to some good advice umnik.gif- add them to your collection! Not for yourself, but for others (and believe me, there are a lot of people who want to)! And the benefit of the undoubted then from the beetles will be.
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20.03.2010 1:00, А.Й.Элез

In the freezer, and the whole thing is short, why waste poison in vain.
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20.03.2010 10:17, beapet

photos are not very, frankly( the camera is such, but on bezrybyi, as they say, and this will do, at least you can get an idea.
By the way, they actively drink water.

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20.03.2010 13:29, Bad Den

It's not Cerambyx cerdo, it's Cerambyx scopoli
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20.03.2010 13:32, vasiliy-feoktistov

It's not Cerambyx cerdo, it's Cerambyx scopoli

Yes, but still a decent beetle (I've never found it in my own country).

20.03.2010 15:56, beapet

Cerambyx scopoli ? Thank you) I'll know. What's the difference? (if you don't mind)

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20.03.2010 16:04, Mantispid

Cerambyx (Microcerambyx) scopolii Fussli, 1775 indicates that it is 2 times smaller than oak.
Well, according to the"green"
of Scopoli, the 2nd member of the antennae is narrow, in the form of a ring. The color is black, single-color.
in Cerdo-the 2nd member of the antennae is not so narrow, slightly less than 2 times narrower than its width. The color is pitch-black, and the ends of the elytra are red.

Well, visually microcerambix scopoli is more long-legged, slender and small (17-28 mm against 23-55 in cerdo)

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20.03.2010 18:32, Liparus

Yes, but still a decent beetle (I've never found it in my own country).

Yes, I had the thought that scopoli, zedro would not ask such questions:- it's a pity to starve, maybe not necessary? smile.gif I caught 7 pieces and I constantly come across some females,in May I collected them in an Oak Forest on Hawthorn flowers...

21.03.2010 3:12, А.Й.Элез

And the sawyere, judging by the photo, is already amen. Of the copies that got into the frame-not one with a full mustache...

21.03.2010 10:43, vasiliy-feoktistov

Yes, I had the thought that scopoli, zedro would not ask such questions:- it's a pity to starve, maybe not necessary? smile.gif I caught 7 pieces and I constantly come across some females,in May I collected them in an Oak Forest on Hawthorn flowers...

The first time I heard about the presence of Cerambyx scopolii in the Arctic Ocean was about 15 years ago, and since then I have always looked at it-I have never found it. Therefore, I have reason to consider it valuable for my region.

21.03.2010 10:59, beapet

Thank you to all who responded.
By the way, they drink water well, but about nutrition - can someone advise something?

21.03.2010 13:14, alex017

If they drink water, can they be given honey (mixed in water, for example)? In theory, you can give birch juice, but where would you get it now. I do not recommend giving sweet water with sugar. Sugar is poison.
Barbels with such and similar, but longer, whiskers found and caught often in the Perm region. Occasionally they came across with a huge mustache up to 10 cm (but I didn't measure it with a ruler). From the experience of the content, I can say that they are dead. Because of this, when I see it, I don't catch it.

22.03.2010 19:15, Hdhog

I successfully lived 2 months Cerambyx cerdo, I fed them slices of banana, apples and peaches, lived right up to the end of September smile.gif

23.03.2010 11:46, Guest

Question-who in the European part of Russia found / find a large oak barbel-Cerambyx cerdo.?? In the CC of Tatarstan (both publications) give this species-but no one has ever seen it (great suspicions that it is C. scopolii). The question of the subspecific rank of beetles inhabiting the territory of the European part of Russia remains open. This type is accurate (according to the literature) It is known from the Ulyanovsk and Penza regions. Besides oak, what types of trees does it inhabit? Probably the exit holes of young beetles are very large and specific?

23.03.2010 14:53, Hdhog

if you believe the Red Book of Ukrainesmile.gif, they can be found in the Crimea and the Carpathians.
Personally, I came across 2 such beetles in early August in 2006 in Alushta near a glowing sign. I never saw him again.

23.03.2010 18:37, beapet

Thank you, Hdhog! I don't have any peaches available, but I gave them an apple and, imagine , they eat it, they eat it perfectly! it's fun to see)) at the same time I saw how the males argue with each other: it's funny to shake their heads like that, with their sawyers spread, - if I were a beetle , I would be afraid)
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25.03.2010 0:52, Egorus

As I understand it, this is Cerambyx cerdo. From the Crimea. He and she.
They were inherited. They were in the same Petri dish with the Crimean
procerus and the enclosed handwritten label. There was no date, July-August
was written in words. It is no longer possible to specify the details of fishing.

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25.03.2010 1:31, John-ST

As I understand it, this is Cerambyx cerdo. From the Crimea. He and she.
They were inherited. They were in the same Petri dish with the Crimean
procerus and the enclosed handwritten label. There was no date, July-August
was written in words. It is no longer possible to specify the details of fishing.

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post your cerdo here, please:

http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=275997

25.03.2010 2:36, Egorus

Good for John-ST
. When the photo disappears here, I'll post it there.
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25.03.2010 19:30, Igor1962

friends. about serambix serdo is written in great detail in Rudnev
this is a capital work where he identifies 9 species of oak barbels including scopoli velitinus dux and others in the Carpathians the subspecies of serdo is protected he has two symmetrical tubercles on the pronotum-spines in the Crimea massively serdo and it is not protected there-spines are absent

25.03.2010 19:38, Victor Titov

in the Crimea, it is massively empty and it is not protected there -there are no spikes

Subspecies Cerambyx cerdo acuminatus Motschulsky, 1852

26.03.2010 16:19, barry

Crimea, Bakhchisarai district, 21.06.2007.
The two men were sitting about a meter away in a clearing under an oak tree.

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23.04.2010 12:06, Пензяк

Igor1962

In what specific work (article or book?) does Rudnev write about the big oak barbel??? Maybe this work is hanging somewhere in the Internet? Thank you in advance!

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