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Sansanex, 20.05.2012 12:16

Hello!
Dear entomologists, please help us clarify the following question.
A few weeks ago, we were in nature with our mother. After returning, she found seven tick bites on herself. One got med. needle, passed for analysis, the result for borreliosis is negative, but at the same time there were joint pains in a few days, takes an antibiotic. The problem is that during all this time, small bites appear on her body (bloody dots with redness around). From one she took out some small fry under a magnifying glass. Question: was it possible to bring ticks into the apartment on clothes upon return, can it be tick larvae? If so, how to do the right thing and how to fight?

The mother herself is a nurse, psychotic disorders are excluded. While everything is washed, ironed sprayed from a special. spray can, but while the appearance of bites continues.

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20.05.2012 12:49, Igor1962

of course, they bring ticks home on themselves, so it happens more often . Which region is first ? and secondly, no one will answer your question in the affirmative . I have been bitten by ticks many times and on many occasions . East, Georgia, Europe and nothing

20.05.2012 12:52, Igor1962

"seven tick bites" -one passed for analysis-how is it ??

20.05.2012 12:55, Sansanex

The region is the Republic of Belarus. There were seven wounds running down the leg from the knee to the hip, and one of them contained a black foreign body. The mother took it out with a sterile needle, picked up the wound a little and put it in a jar for analysis. From the remaining three or four wounds (smaller ones), I took out the remains visible under a magnifying glass. Naturally, I did not take them.

This post was edited by Sansanex - 05/20/2012 12: 57

20.05.2012 13:04, Igor1962

Take a deep breath and don't bother , but caution doesn't get in the way

20.05.2012 13:09, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

The first stage of borreliosis (Lyme disease) is characterized by just skin rashes. I highly (!) recommend that you immediately (!) contact infectious diseases specialists! at the beginning of the disease, borreliosis is treated relatively well, the chronic form is a very big problem!

The fact that the tick was "watched" means little. We looked at one tick, but there were several bites.

PS. I know the problem, because I worked on parasitological projects on Ixodes persulcatus, in particular with borrelia.

This post was edited by Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg - 05/20/2012 13: 12

20.05.2012 13:47, Sansanex

Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg, an infectious disease specialist has already been contacted, the mother takes doxicillin for 20 days, then does a blood test for borreliosis. My main question and concern is:
can ticks or their larvae live in the apartment? did this happen in practice? That is, could the mother bring ticks on the outer clothing and they breed in the apartment and bite further?

20.05.2012 16:17, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

It is quite possible to bring ticks into the house, but in the conditions of an apartment they will not survive, the humidity is too low. If the introduced tick does not immediately stick, then within a few hours (no more than a day) it will die.

I was also prescribed a preventive course of doxycycline at one time.

20.05.2012 17:06, Sansanex

Thank you very much for your attention to our problem. Tell me more about repellent sprays. They kill ticks or only scare them away. Does it make sense, just in case, to use them to process an apartment (clothes) or, for example, a sofa, blankets, pillows?

The mother discovers bites after a night out. From one of the wounds I took out a kind of maggot. Under the magnifying glass, there is a black head and a light body without legs.
What is it, can there be an overlay of something else besides ticks?

This post was edited by Sansanex - 05/20/2012 17: 20

20.05.2012 18:37, Igor1962

upon arrival in the Khabarovsk Territory, the local population was interested in whether there are patients with encephalitis ( there was a case in the village ) and did not receive a clear answer, although almost everyone is in the forest

20.05.2012 18:52, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Thank you very much for your attention to our problem. Tell me more about repellent sprays. They kill ticks or only scare them away. Does it make sense, just in case, to use them to process an apartment (clothes) or, for example, a sofa, blankets, pillows?


I am not an expert on reppelents - since our task was to collect ticks (conduct accounting), the use of reppelents was prohibited.

 
The mother discovers bites after a night out. From one of the wounds I took out a kind of maggot. Under the magnifying glass, there is a black head and a light body without legs.
What is it, can there be an overlay of something else besides ticks?


I don't know. As it is written in smart books, larvae and nymphs of Ixodes are not dangerous for humans, because they cannot bite through the skin. In fact, it is impossible to exclude the possibility of suction to the mucous membranes, etc. But this is clearly not your case.

20.05.2012 18:56, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

upon arrival in the Khabarovsk Territory, the local population was interested in whether there are patients with encephalitis ( there was a case in the village ) and did not receive a clear answer, although almost everyone is in the forest


According to the stories, local residents continue to lead a normal life in the exclusion zone of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant: "and what kind of radiation we do not know, vono does not stink."..

The Far East is characterized by the most aggressive strain KE.

20.05.2012 19:54, amara

20.05.2012 20:07, Hierophis

amara, a loop from the hair should be removed in such cases wink.gif

20.05.2012 20:15, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

I was bitten (fortunately without infection) by a larva or nymph ( I don't distinguish between them, small size, with a pinhead). Quite punctures the skin on the hand and sucked. I took it for analysis, and they said that other people bring larvae or nymphs.


Where was that?" Was it exactly Ixodes? Larvae and nymphs of other mites bite through human skin.

21.05.2012 11:30, Entomon

And here are the maggots under the skin http://kinoweb.org/2012/02/03/9663/

This post was edited by Entomon - 05/21/2012 11: 57

21.05.2012 15:08, amara

Where was that?" Was it exactly Ixodes? Larvae and nymphs of other mites bite through human skin.


It was in the Smolny region (on the border with Moscow). region). What kind of tick it was, I do not know. But it was accepted at the diagnostic point. By the way, I pay less for the fact that from the diagnosis (type of tick?) refused. They have a separate fee for this.

I did not know that those ticks that DO NOT transmit ANYTHING dangerous also bite.

21.05.2012 15:28, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

It was in the Smolny region (on the border with Moscow). region). What kind of tick it was, I do not know. But it was accepted at the diagnostic point. By the way, I pay less for the fact that from the diagnosis (type of tick?) refused. They have a separate fee for this.


Smolensk region-possibly I. ricinus? As far as I know, in any case, there are 3 species of ticks in the Northwest: Ixodes ricinus, I. persulcutus and I. tranguliceps. The latter species does not attack humans, but feeds on small mammals. I. ricinus is mainly a European species, while I. persulcatus, also known as the taiga tick, is Asian. The Leningrad region is particularly notable for the fact that the ranges of ricinus and persulcatus overlap. From a practical point of view, it is important that the percentage of vector ticks in ricinus a is much lower.


I did not know that those ticks that DO NOT transmit ANYTHING dangerous also bite.


Sure. At the points where work was carried out with my participation, the number of ticks with CE is ~ 1%, borreliosis is up to 20-30% at the end of the season. The figures are, of course, approximate, from memory. And all ticks eat.

21.05.2012 16:04, amara

21.05.2012 16:38, Penzyak

Ticks transmit diseases at different stages - that is, from an infected female, larvae or nymphs are already quite ready to spread diseases. At my friend's school teacher (a biologist-our former student), after a walk in the forest for berries, in the evening I began to wash my four-year-old son and noticed roughness on the skin - I looked through a magnifying glass, and these are tick larvae. I took them off, a few were still alive, and took them to san. eped for analysis. the station. It seems that nothing was revealed - but the child was given a course of antibiotics for sin (at the first stage, even penicillin helps).

Perhaps the culprits of midge bites - they easily bite near the river now-traces may not appear immediately, swelling and blueness are quite noticeable.

Usually similar traces are left on people at night by bed beetles - my relatives in a modern high-rise building suddenly had bedbugs!?? They came through electrical outlets and also at night! I (a former military electrician) had to remove them and carefully foam the cavity behind them prom. with foam... Finally kick-ass! I first saw them in Bashkiria in the army... sly parasites are just creepy!

Modern young infectious disease doctors (ignoramuses worse than movie characters "Interns") immediately prescribe horse - sized doses of antibiotics to people-if that didn't work out... they don't care about people... freaks. I only saw a parasitologist in the army... probably extinct...

02.06.2012 19:41, laada

I'm from Siberia, so I know the tick problem firsthand.You were correctly told that in addition to encephalitis, ticks carry Lyme disease.However, not all ticks are infected. For prevention, they put immunoglobulin after the bite..Our Tomsk Institute of Vaccines and Serums (Virion) also introduced such an innovation as yodantipirin, which is used for prevention during frequent trips to the forest,as it increases immune protection.Forest workers are vaccinated against tick-borne encephalitis and Lyme disease.Well, for diseases, the doctor already prescribes medications..
According to your descriptions, something raises doubts that it is ixodic ticks that continue to live in the apartment..Maybe. is this a different type of tick and should you see a dermatologist?)
As for whether they can bring home with clothes or plants-yes! We have had cases of tick attacks even on the bus, when armfuls of flowers were brought from the forest, from dachas..Usually. to avoid this, you should check each other every half hour, especially the tender areas near the ears, armpits, etc...Shake off your clothes. when leaving the forest, etc., wear socks with tight elastic bands when going to the forest. .or something so that it is difficult for the tick to get under the pant leg in the area of the legs, since they usually,as is commonly believed, wait for their victims on the tops of grasses, no higher than a meter from the ground.
I have heard about this method of taiga residents, (this is on the topic of repellents-repellers))=entering the forest, they throw their windbreaker on an anthill they meet..and, sprayed with formic acid, and dressed back on the person, such clothing makes the person allegedly unattractive for ticks..
I hope your mother gets better!
And about encephalitis-the main signs are a sharp rise in temperature on the second day after the bite,headache, drowsiness.Pulled out tick(it is better to carefully unscrew it with a thread, you can lubricate the back with kerosene or some oil..then, if the tick is shallowly sucked, the oil clogs the spiracles and the tick can fall off itself), if you pulled it out yourself-without braving with your bare hands, put it in a test tube and take it to the seroprophylaxis station or to the laboratory that is engaged in blood analysis..Well, to the doctor, of course!

02.06.2012 19:45, laada

Ticks transmit diseases at different stages - that is, from an infected female, larvae or nymphs are already quite ready to spread diseases. At my friend's school teacher (a biologist-our former student), after a walk in the forest for berries, in the evening I began to wash my four-year-old son and noticed roughness on the skin - I looked through a magnifying glass, and these are tick larvae. I took them off, a few were still alive, and took them to san. eped for analysis. the station. It seems that nothing was revealed - but the child was given a course of antibiotics for sin (at the first stage, even penicillin helps).

Perhaps the culprits of midge bites - they easily bite near the river now-traces may not appear immediately, swelling and blueness are quite noticeable.

Usually similar traces are left on people at night by bed beetles - my relatives in a modern high-rise building suddenly had bedbugs!?? They came through electrical outlets and also at night! I (a former military electrician) had to remove them and carefully foam the cavity behind them prom. with foam... Finally kick-ass! I first saw them in Bashkiria in the army... sly parasites are just creepy!

Modern young infectious disease doctors (ignoramuses worse than movie characters "Interns") immediately prescribe horse - sized doses of antibiotics to people-if that didn't work out... they don't care about people... freaks. I only saw a parasitologist in the army... probably extinct...


This is what!!! I remember from my student days that bedbugs can starve for up to 18 months...falling into suspended animation, and then, if there is a suitable victim, live again ..literally..full-blooded))life...Information from the tutorial..I don't remember which one))for the prescription of years)) wink.gif

02.06.2012 19:49, laada

I'm from Siberia, so I know the tick problem firsthand.You were correctly told that in addition to encephalitis, ticks carry Lyme disease.However, not all ticks are infected. For prevention, they put immunoglobulin after the bite..Our Tomsk Institute of Vaccines and Serums (Virion) also introduced such an innovation as yodantipirin, which is used for prevention during frequent trips to the forest,as it increases immune protection.Forest workers are vaccinated against tick-borne encephalitis and Lyme disease.Well, for diseases, the doctor already prescribes medications..
According to your descriptions, something raises doubts that it is ixodic ticks that continue to live in the apartment..Maybe. is this a different type of tick and should you see a dermatologist?)
As for whether they can bring home with clothes or plants-yes! We have had cases of tick attacks even on the bus, when armfuls of flowers were brought from the forest, from dachas..Usually. to avoid this, you should check each other every half hour, especially the tender areas near the ears, armpits, etc...Shake off your clothes. when leaving the forest, etc., wear socks with tight elastic bands when going to the forest. .or something so that it is difficult for the tick to get under the pant leg in the area of the legs, since they usually,as is commonly believed, wait for their victims on the tops of grasses, no higher than a meter from the ground.
I have heard about this method of taiga residents, (this is on the topic of repellents-repellers))=entering the forest, they throw their windbreaker on an anthill they meet..and, sprayed with formic acid, and dressed back on the person, such clothing makes the person allegedly unattractive for ticks..
I hope your mother gets better!
And about encephalitis-the main signs are a sharp rise in temperature on the second day after the bite,headache, drowsiness.Pulled out tick(it is better to carefully unscrew it with a thread, you can lubricate the back with kerosene or some oil..then, if the tick is shallowly sucked, the oil clogs the spiracles and the tick can fall off itself), if you pulled it out yourself-without braving with your bare hands, put it in a test tube and take it to the seroprophylaxis station or to the laboratory that is engaged in blood analysis..Well, to the doctor, of course!

and..by the way, do not push the pulled ticks with your hands,it is considered. that you can get infected through the skin if the tick is infected..if you don't take it to the lab, it's better to burn it...(Poor MITES)

03.06.2012 2:51, Dmitry Vlasov

Forest workers are vaccinated against tick-borne encephalitis and Lyme disease.Well, for diseases, the doctor already prescribes medications..
And about encephalitis-the main signs are a sharp rise in temperature on the second day after the bite,headache, drowsiness.

Well, first of all-vaccinations against borreliosis (Lyme disease) No!
Secondly, the main signs of encephalitis can and often do not appear on the second day, but after the incubation period, which lasts from a week to three.
Thirdly. Now in ticks, more pathogens of ehrlichiosis are found, as well as infection transmitted by a transmissible route.

04.06.2012 19:51, Sansanex

Thank you all for your answers. In a multi-entrance house there were fleas. They did bite. The mother etched the apartment until the result is clear. From neighbors on the entrance who is silent, who poisons himself. Now we will apply to ZHUE to organize the etching of basements. Just a coincidence, after the tick bites, there were fleas in the house. In fact, it's a psychological nightmare, my mother is very tired. We've never encountered anything like this before. When contacting specialists, we realized that very few people need anything. We will fight. What are the tactics for effective control of these insects?

04.06.2012 21:11, laada

Well, first of all-vaccinations against borreliosis (Lyme disease) No!


I'm getting better - there is definitely a cure for tick-borne encephalitis! wink.gif

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