Photo #10217: Sphingidae sp.

06.02.2016 11:36, Yuri Semejkin

Thank you, Basil! I have myself checked, so to continue to write.

06.02.2016 10:40, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Yuri, a small remark.
If you mean a subspecies, do not use, please reduction f. in front of his name.
f. means the form, but not a subspecies.
Sub abbreviated as ssp. in front of the name.
Therefore, in the case of a call on the subspecies should be written C. tatarinovii ssp. eversmannii, but not C. tatarinovii f. eversmannii

06.02.2016 9:36, Yuri Semejkin

With regard to the subspecies C. tatarinovii f. eversmannii. I asked why in a post on 02. 3. 16 I'm asking whether a subspecies of brown roisterer Tatarinov or vnutrovidovaya this variability ?, and then refer to the Amur Zoological Journal. Maybe it is not clear et al., Although no more questions.
Although everything here is simple, visible and understandable. Again in brief.1) in the determinant DV and blue of subspecies is not mentioned, and respectively the question. Next: I Found a infa in the Zoological Journal of the Amur - took a little time to update and so on. Here I'm still not saying anything. And then (above), expressing the view that this subspecies. .It remains to wait for the letter of Alexander and define subspecies, not a subspecies.

06.02.2016 3:14, Yuri Semejkin

Alexander ! Let a little bit more about the article (typos, opinions, etc.). To rent an article in a scientific journal, it is not so easy. at least must have permission of the Institute, everything is checked. I do not insist on anything, because not aware of all these nuances. So, what are waiting for your answer by Gordeeva.

05.02.2016 14:39, Alexandr Zhakov

I also give my opinion. Yuri right and wrong at the same time. Rights that should be a scientific edition of fixing the present situation taxon eversmanni. indicating the "stat. nov" or "reinstated ssp.", if it has been previously described as subspecies or species names infra describe the time equal to the current status of the subspecies.Invalid Jury, resulting in job Dubatolova, where he leads the taxon of the rank of subspecies. It is simply a statement of the taxon, with no arguments, or maybe just a typo, or maybe he believes a lot can be. :) All sources to restore subspecies refer to the work of Gordeeva, 2011. and the same operation is referred to as shape.:))) I write Gordeev, so they have clarified the question. :)

05.02.2016 2:47, Yuri Semejkin

It can be a long time and a lot of talk about the kinds, subspecies, forms, refer to the sites even have a lot of publications, but if these publications are not published in scientific zhurnalah- that these are just personal opinion, to the semi-official organ has no relation. INFA Dubatolova in the Amur Zoological Journal, as he is a scientific journal.So, what the conversation, his infa officially recognized.
To refute it Old, need probably others. Infa, also published in a scientific journal. And yet recognize subspecies.

04.02.2016 22:54, Evgeny Komarov

Irina, subspecies rank as "floating" thing :) Here recently Mikhail Danilevsky (one of the leading specialists on the Cerambycidae family) discussing (arguing) about it.Since he assumed the existence of a mosaic of two different subspecies in the territory of the Volgograd region, where there are instances of the same subspecies, 80 km north of the finds of the second, and 60 km north-west of the first again. Those. about any geographic isolation subspecies of speech does not go .. It's about beetles barbel.I do not accept this, but the proponents of this view also dostatochno.Poetomu should not bother especially. We must lead the subspecies and to give a comment to the different views on it. It seems so to me..

04.02.2016 20:53, Irina Nikulina

Here at last I found in ist-ke, which I do not know, inf. such - http://sphingidae.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term/75. A Callambulyx tatarinovii versicolor Gehlen, 1941, which is given to all subspecies nizhenazvannyh ist-kah, and on our website, here given as invalid and is a synonym for Callambulyx tatarinovii eversmanni http://sphingidae.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term / 5205.

04.02.2016 20:00, Irina Nikulina

Eugene, thank you. About S. kindermanni like everything is clear - do not have it there. It is now a question of (subspecies) C. tatarinovi eversmannii. The site http://tpittaway.tripod.com/china/c_tat.htm S. tatarinovi f. eversmannii (Eversmann, 1854) called the form (in ADULT DESCRIPTION AND VARIATION). In the same in this regard refer to the work Gordeyev (Gordeyev TV, Gordeyev SY 2011. Taxonomic remarks on Callambulyx tatarinovii (BREMER & GREY, 1852 [1853]) from Transbaikalia (Lepidoptera, Sphingidae) // Neue entomologische Nachrichten , 67, 79-88.) And VVDubatolova in the article "The new findings night makrocheshuekrylyh (Insecta, Lepidoptera, Macroheterocera) in reserve Dauria" Amur Zoological Journal IV (4), in 2012 he was already named subspecies C. t. eversmanni (Popoff in Eversmann, 1854). But he also refers to the same work Gordeeva ... But if a subspecies, then you need to add to the site. I looked at http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2015/search/all/key/Callambulyx+tatarinovii/match/1, where this subspecies is not, although there is no longer 3 subspecies and 5.In The Global Lepidoptera Names Index, too, did not find, and then http://eol.org/pages/863630/names/related_names. Apparently not made it yet. Therefore, I wrote that the question remained.

04.02.2016 18:45, Evgeny Komarov

A small contribution to the discussion of S. kindermanni. Here infa with http://tpittaway.tripod.com/sphinx/s_kin.htm site: Not fully known within the western Palaearctic, but has been found as far west as Istanbul in northern Turkey and Konya in southern Turkey (de Freina, 1979 ; de Freina, 2012), on Cyprus, in the Caucasus, the Republic of Georgia (Didmanidze, Petrov & Zolotuhin, 2013), Armenia (Dubatolov, [1999]), Syria (Talhouk, 1997), Lebanon (Zerny, 1933; Ellison & Wiltshire, 1939; Talhouk, 1997), Jordan (Müller et al, 2005a), Israel (Eisenstein, 1984;. Müller et al, 2005b) and northern Iraq (Wiltshire, 1957).; then east to Mashhad (Kalali, 1976) and south to Shiraz (Iran) (Daniel, 1971; Ghassemi, Alemansoor & Alehossein, 2009). Also, Turkmenistan (Danov & Pereladov, 1985), Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan (Chatkal Mountains), Kazakhstan (Shovkoon, 2015), western Xinjiang Province (China) (Pittaway & Kitching, 2000), Tajikistan (Shchetkin et al., 1988) north-east Afghanistan (Rothschild & Jordan, 1903; Ebert, 1969), eastern Afghanistan south and east of the Hindu Kush (Swinhoe, 1885; Ebert, 1969), northern Pakistan (Chitral) and Kashmir (Bell & Scott, 1937; Rafi et al., 2014). One specimen has been recorded from Kuwait (Kuwait University Collection) (Pittaway, 1993); this is indistinguishable from typical f. orbatus.

Extra-limital range.Western Mongolia (Yakovlev, Ustyuzhanin & Doroshkin, 2005), north, central and southern Xinjiang Province, China (Staudinger, 1901; Chu & Wang, 1980b; Pittaway & Kitching, 2000) and the western Himalaya of India. Reports of this species from the Transbaikal area of ​​Russia (Eversmann, 1854; Derzhavets, 1984) are erroneous and refer to the brown form of Callambulyx tatarinovii (Bremer & Grey, 1853). Those. about any Primorye / Trans-Baikal region and there is no question.

04.02.2016 11:15, Yuri Semejkin

Er, and what question was, subspecies, not a subspecies? So it does not matter, it's definitely a subspecies. Nobody al. Did not result links. According to your link on molbile, I did not find anything, I'm rarely there and poorly guided .. unnecessarily and there was no one in principle. There has long posed Sergei Rybalkina picture, shot on the lake, I'm on it and guided. https://translate.google.ru / translate hl = ru & sl = en & u = http:? //tpittaway.tripod.com/china/china.htm&prev=search

03.02.2016 22:34, Irina Nikulina

Ure, a subspecies ( ssp. ) then I just did not mention it was a brown uniforms C. tatarinovii f. eversmannii, which occurs mainly in the Trans-Baikal and sometimes mistaken for Smerinthus kindermanni . The image of this form of C. tatarinovi f. eversmannii (Eversmann, 1854) (photo by P. Gorbunov) is here http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=185709&view=findpost&p=579945, below explanation P.Morozova. The presence of this form of speech, too, was not in Primorye.Not met even once, and on foreign websites, so that it was mentioned in connection with the Primorye. On what "some websites" you met on the distribution in Primorye? I honestly do not know what it identified as a separate subspecies. But I looked article V. Dubatolova about which you write - there really is we are talking not about the form, but the subspecies Callambulyx tatarinovi eversmanni (Popoff in Eversmann, 1854).So the question remains.

03.02.2016 18:27, Yuri Semejkin

Kohl is mentioned subspecies Callambulyx tatarinovii f. eversmannii, then someone could clarify whether it takes place? or is it just intraspecific variability? The fact that neither the Russian Far East to the insects Volume 5, h. 3, page 507, or in the blue of this subspecies is not.It is only in the number of foreign sites that are distributing this sub-introducing it in the Primorsky Territory. But if you look in the article V. Dubatolova, there is no word on the Primorye Territory. As he points spread Buryatia, west of Trans-Baikal Territory, Mongolia and Northwest China. And yet!

Ps.INFA Dubatolova in the Amur Zoological Journal IV (4), 2012, page 373. PDF there in the internet. It is the only Russian source, al. Did not find.

03.02.2016 12:15, Alexandr Zhakov Corrected data.

Smerinthus kindermannii / Sergei Kotov → Sphingidae / Yuri Semejkin.

03.02.2016 10:25, Irina Nikulina

Once we are today about this kind I came in, and I'll write about this caterpillar. I read the discussion. Firstly, in Primorye there Smerinthus kindermanni. And in the "Key to the DDA insects, v.5, ch. 3," and Sinev Primorye indicated only Caecus S. and S. rlanus.About finds kindermanni in Primorye had never heard, and reports findings kindermanni Transbaikalia considered erroneous definition, they are referred to the brown uniforms Callambulyx tatarinovii (f eversmannii -. The dominant form of females in the Trans-Baikal region) [134]. Secondly - yes, caterpillars and caecus rlanus develop, mainly on various types of Salicaceae (genus Populus and Salix). But even caterpillars kindermanni same feed - Populus and Salix.Therefore, Sergei conclusion is not clear.
What's here - the discussion.
Revised coastal species of the subfamily Smerinthinae and descriptions of larvae. Perhaps here the last instar caterpillar is one of the species of the genus marumba, perhaps, Marumba sperchius http://tpittaway.tripod.com/china/m_car.htm or Marumba gaschkewitschii http://file.mushikurotowa.cooklog.net/momosuzume-green. JPG and http://tpittaway.tripod.com/china/m_gas.htm That they have such uzkoovalnye dark spiracles to cut them at the center white line and a long straight horn (12 mm). Neither the color of thoracic legs or head shape is not visible in the photo, unfortunately. Both in Primorye widespread. Forage plants are different, but discuss them, I think, it makes no sense. On this fragment of experts (EBVolynets, BPI DVO RAN) to pinpoint the plant are not taken. In addition, Yuri discussed that a caterpillar could easily be removed and not on the host plants.

25.10.2013 14:30, Peter Khramov Corrected data.

Not identified → Smerinthus kindermannii / Confidently identified / Sergei Kotov.

25.10.2013 1:53, Sergei Kotov

Smerinthus kindermanni

24.10.2013 12:47, Sergei Kotov

First, not exactly S.ocellatus not S.caecus. The two feed on poplars and willows, but the plants on which sits a caterpillar in the photo, is clearly not a poplar and willow. And it looks absolutely on track and S.ocellatus S.caecus not like.

Version with S. planus rightly dismissed Vasily.

So it is - Smerinthus kindermanni /

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16.07.2012 14:40, Peter Khramov

"Uncertain" for ever?

26.05.2012 11:09, Vasiliy Feoktistov

Oops, I seem to have erred since there is actually S. planus caterpillar that can't be supposed as an apposite one.

26.05.2012 11:00, Vasiliy Feoktistov

There is also S. planus, not sure though how its caterpillar looks like.....

26.05.2012 10:24, Igor Sakhno

One of three possible: S.ocellatus; S.caecus; S. kindermanni.

10.03.2012 23:42, Peter Khramov

Sphingidae, that Sphingidae...

08.03.2012 23:02, Dmitrii Covalenco

Straight Sphingidae.