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Lucanus cervus and other beetles

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Swansson, 07.05.2007 15:39

Good afternoon!

I discovered the other day in a local planting the presence of cervi, namely:
in a rotten stump a dozen larvae, judging by the size - the penultimate or even the last age(8-10 cm). There are a number of questions about this:
1. The larvae were in a birch stump, which is clearly indicated by the bark, although oaks grow nearby. Moreover, in the same rotten, but clearly oak stump, there were no larvae at all...I wonder if I missed something and they live in birches, or if there's something wrong here? smile.gif
In the same stump there were larvae of local dorcus and one adult beetle. Unfortunately, there were no pupae or adult lucanus cervus beetles. So another question:
2. When do the larvae pupate and does the pupa overwinter?
And more:
Knowing for sure the presence of beetles in the landing, how can you guarantee to catch them? Into the light? Baits? I would very much like to update a large male in the collection.

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07.05.2007 16:49, Bad Den

Guaranteed, perhaps deducing from the pupa...
Or, on the oaks with the juice flowing out, look for it.

07.05.2007 21:55, RippeR

Or in the lower reaches of large oaks, they often sit on the bark.. The light is also real.

07.05.2007 22:25, omar

For hornbills in general, the main value is not the type of tree, but the presence of rot of a certain type, which the larva feeds on for the most part. For example, the rare Ceruchus chrysomelinus prefers brown rot, and trees are equally suitable for it: fir trees, birches, alders, and oaks.
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07.05.2007 23:07, RippeR

interesting! What does it mean - brown rot and how to determine them, because we, in theory, should have it?

08.05.2007 0:16, Necrocephalus

interesting! What does it mean - brown rot and how to determine them, because we, in theory, should have it?

I don't think that there is Ceruchus chrysomelinus in Moldova - this is a purely forest species, as far as I know, so we should look for it much further north.
As for brown rot - I, of course, am not an expert on rot, but I assume that if the wood of a rotting tree has a brown color, then this is smile.gifLogical brown rot, it also seems smile.gifto be white rot-as far as I remember, Sinodendron cylindricum prefers it.

08.05.2007 8:20, omar

Exactly. And the types of such fungi to determine - this is for mycologists. You're right about Synodendron cylindricum.
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08.05.2007 14:53, RippeR

it's a pity, but it seems that our country is rotting, but I don't see brown and white rotten smile.gifSynodendron 1 time in a thousand years, about 6 years ago they found it. smile.gif In the form of 1 male..
And catch it as you want!!!
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08.05.2007 14:59, omar

And how I want to find a deer population in the Moscow region, I don't have the strength!

08.05.2007 15:57, rpanin

it's a pity, but it seems that our country is rotting, but I don't see brown and white rotten smile.gifSynodendron 1 time in a thousand years, about 6 years ago they found it. smile.gif In the form of 1 male..
And catch it as you want!!!


Hmm, and I once threw them away as unnecessary.

08.05.2007 17:56, RippeR

WHAT!?!?!?!?!?? eek.gif
Don't throw anything away, I'll be right there lol.gif

08.05.2007 23:19, Zhuk

Synodendron we have 1 time in a thousand years, about 6 years ago found. smile.gif

And he flew to me once, sat on my shouldersmile.gif.

09.05.2007 8:03, RippeR

Here's zzhzhuk!

09.05.2007 9:53, americanecz

it's a pity, but it seems that our country is rotting, but I don't see brown and white rotten smile.gifSynodendron 1 time in a thousand years, about 6 years ago they found it. smile.gif In the form of 1 male..
And catch it as you want!!!


- Did you search in the Ryazan region?
I collected it near the village of Bukrino (40 km south of Ryazan)
I would not say that in those parts it is a very rare beetle!

09.05.2007 14:01, RippeR

I have never been to the Ryazan region.. frown.gif I am from Moldova and rarely manage to escape abroad frown.gifI would live in Russia, probably I would go everywhere, where only time and finances would allow smile.gif

09.05.2007 14:35, omar

Synodendron is indeed not so rare in Muscovy and the lands adjacent to it. But at the same time and infrequently.

09.05.2007 23:05, RippeR

and what are they usually found on? And tserukhusov? Where do they prefer to sit, from what time of year to what time of day, what hour of the day, do they fly to the light?

10.05.2007 8:11, omar

They fly to the light, the best time is June, they are found on (in) pieces of wood, in Synodendron cylindricum the imago overwinters, so in the fall it is really possible to pick them out of pieces of wood, which overwinters in Ceruchus chrysomelinus is unknown, it is too rare. frown.gif

10.05.2007 9:21, Aleksandr Safronov

Synodendron cylindricum occurs regularly in the Tula region. At the dacha in a rotten stump for two years in a row, in early spring, I found a whole brood, until the stump was removed. Sometimes it comes to the light. It is often found in plantings, park areas, and forests. Here is about Lucanus cervus - in the Tula region, I really do not know confirmed finds. Although there are many legends (especially, for some reason, Muscovites vacationing in the north of the Tula region) that they almost held beetles in their hands. lol.gif

10.05.2007 9:28, omar

Ceruchus chrysomelinus how common is it in the Tula region?

10.05.2007 10:08, Aleksandr Safronov

Ceruchus chrysomelinus how common is it in the Tula region?

Dear Omar, Unfortunately, for Ceruchus chrysomelinus, I do not have any data at all on finds in the Tula region, as well as an official annotated list of antlers of the region. In the neighboring Kaluga region, it seems to be found, but very rarely. Another species found in the Tula region is Platycerus caraboides L., 1758. It is less common than Synodendron cylindricum. I found specimens of both species in the same rotten stump at the same time. smile.gif
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10.05.2007 14:08, RippeR

it is not difficult to find platyceruses here.. I've already written about synodendrons.. But nevertheless, you need to know where to look for platicheruses (which is why I couldn't find them for a long time).

10.05.2007 21:39, Zhuk

There was once a Lucanus cervus in the Ruza district. In the local history museum there are 3 pieces, very old, almost fossilized smile.gif. Now, I think it's already gone extinct 20 times there. And Platycerus caraboides this spring made as many as 4 pieces from alder rot. Before that, I only caught it in 1999 (also sat on me, as it is not strange smile.gif). And I also have funny Odonteus armiger beetles flying around, if anyone is interested.

11.05.2007 8:21, omar

How reliable are your findings from the museum? I'm sorry, I'm not fond of plates,
Odonteus armiger is this a former Bolbocerus armiger? If it is not difficult for you, dear Zhuk, transfer your message (copy it) to Zhukov of the Moscow and adjacent regions. If it's Bolbocerus armiger, then yes, it's interesting.

11.05.2007 11:37, guest: Elizar

About rot - easily identified by the color and structure of wood. Wood rotted by the type of brown rot - when pressed, it crumbles into powder, with white ones-it breaks into fibers. Brown rot is formed by cellulose - destroying fungi, and white rot is formed by lignin-destroying...
One-horned hornbills and Platycerus species like white rot. One-horned animals can easily be found in June and July on aspen decks. You turn them over and if there are piles of "flour" on the ground, you need to pick at the tree. Beetles go to a depth of up to 10 cm. Platycerus is not difficult to catch in the second half of May, early June from the bottom of deciduous decks-birches, etc. Ceruchus likes brown rot, it is necessary to look for it in the middle of July, also cut down trees-spruce, pine, oak, birch, aspen...
Ripper - there is probably no ceruchus in Moldova, but it is common in the Carpathians, but why is there no one-horned hornbill????
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11.05.2007 13:27, RippeR

Now I understood what kind of rot to talk about - I immediately remembered that I had met such
Platycerus easier to find on the leaves, mainly oak, especially on young low trees.. It can be shaken off from larger oaks, etc.

I wonder who picks what wood and how??

smile.gifHere, for example, sisyphus is common everywhere, but in our country it is extremely rare (over the past 65 years - 3 finds (2 this year, 1 the year before..)) Gymnoplevrov has also not been seen for a very long time..

11.05.2007 13:43, omar

RippeR, don't die weep.gifout

11.05.2007 18:02, Guest

Sednya on Vorobyovy Gory found a dead tsylindrikum, a female.

11.05.2007 18:03, Zhuk

Sednya on Vorobyovy Gory found a dead tsylindrikum, a female.

It was me.

11.05.2007 18:05, Zhuk

How reliable are your findings from the museum?

I don't know smile.gifmyself . Just on the label it says that Ruzsky district

12.05.2007 14:29, Necrocephalus

Tell me, are there any stable signs that can distinguish P. caraboides from P. carpea? I have, for example, a female (I think? P. caraboides), who, in addition to her legs, also has a red belly (and in all the determinants they write that only the legs are red).

12.05.2007 15:51, алекс 2611

Tell me, are there any stable signs that can distinguish P. caraboides from P. carpea? I have, for example, a female (I think? P. caraboides), who, in addition to her legs, also has a red belly (and in all the determinants they write that only the legs are red).


Check out the scans on the ZINO website. There, the female Platycerus caraboides has not only the abdomen, but also the entire underside is red.
There is also a small article on how to distinguish P. caraboides from P. caprea.
However, I, frankly speaking, still get confused.
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12.05.2007 16:50, Zhuk

People! Has anyone been to the Thorn Forest? I read on zina that there is a lot of interesting things there, including rogachi and oak barbel.

13.05.2007 13:16, RippeR

here, too, karboides from kaprei can not distinguish-help!

13.05.2007 15:22, Necrocephalus

I read this article about the differences between platyceruses... so there's nothing concrete, it seemed to me... you will need to read again

13.05.2007 20:24, guest: omar

Guaranteed, when the abdomen is red, at least a small part of it.

14.05.2007 13:41, Nimrod

Regarding differences in Platycerus species. I'll put together a definitive sign for you a little later (I'm very busy right now, sorry). Although, as for me, these species (in the presence of serial material) are well spread only on the genitals of males. Very frequent cases of catching small and evasive specimens that have a set of characteristics that belong to several species at once. This is especially true in places where several species can live at once (Caucasus and Transcaucasia, Zap. Europe. part of Russia, Zap. Ukraine). For females, it is more difficult, since the color of the underside of the body does not play a special role. It's just a color form. For example, in the vicinity of the Zhytomyr region (Ukraine), there were cases of mass summer of the beetle, and within one series both females with brown-orange underparts and green tops, and transitions up to black with dark-purple tops were collected. Light forms of females, indeed, are much more common....
Sincerely,...
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27.07.2007 15:47, Anthicus

and what are they usually found on? And tserukhusov? Where do they prefer to sit, from what time of year to what time of day, what hour of the day, do they fly to the light?


In Latvia, the species is sometimes massive. Imago-on or in wood. I have some work to do on this, and I'll send you a link to pdf.
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08.08.2007 9:59, Guest

"Good afternoon!

I discovered the other day in a local planting the presence of cervi, namely:
in a rotten stump a dozen larvae, judging by the size - the penultimate or even the last age(8-10 cm). There are a number of questions about this:
1. The larvae were in a birch stump, which is clearly indicated by the bark, although oaks grow nearby. Moreover, in the same rotten, but clearly oak stump, there were no larvae at all...I wonder if I missed something and they live in birches, or if there's something wrong here?
In the same stump there were larvae of local dorcus and one adult beetle. Unfortunately, there were no pupae or adult lucanus cervus beetles. So another question:
2. When do the larvae pupate and does the pupa overwinter?
And more:
Knowing for sure the presence of beetles in the landing, how can you guarantee to catch them? Into the light? Baits? I would very much like to update a large male in the collection."


And where did you manage to find deer beetle larvae in Donetsk?????? I have never seen these beetles there, well, except this year ( a female of this species accidentally flew into my balcony)!!?????

08.08.2007 10:35, алекс 2611

"And where did you manage to find deer beetle larvae in Donetsk?????? I have never seen these beetles there, well, except this year ( a female of this species accidentally flew into my balcony)!!?????


In the fairly well-known work " Plate-whiskered beetles of the Rostov region "(downloaded from the Zinovsky site), it is written that the deer beetle is quite common in the north of the Rostov region. The Rostov region seems to border on Donetsk. Maybe you still meet?
I have had such cases: and in the literature it is written that in Flax.the list is common, and non-entomologist friends bring it again and again, and you've been looking for decades - and you can't find frown.gifit
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