Avtokrator

The fact that it is almost impossible to catch it, because it is very rare and at high altitudes.

Just a few people are able to competently and professionally organize a train (if you want, an expedition) for this butterfly + no one will give accurate "crocs" on its location, because the type of commercial + difficulties of finding a "white" person in the territories of its habitat (Tajikistan, Afghanistan) + difficulties of material removal + artificially maintained high market price. So the "dummies" and the lazy have to fork out.
Everything is correct-you can't do it yourself-pay money or "let your mouth water"
And about "he is very rare" - you will do everything correctly, and he will meet more often.

Is the avtokrator itself a rare species?Or is it just in difficult conditions to capture?

Is the avtokrator itself a rare species?Or is it just in difficult conditions to capture?

Rather, difficult conditions for capture, as mentioned above.
Once upon a time I read somewhere about a butterfly trap in those places:
"The sight of a man in a panama hat and carrying a net may cause a slight laugh at first, but then they may well hang him by the legs and beat him in the ribs so that he can quickly admit what he is doing here"

autocrats are already being brought out in artificial conditions.. A friend of mine has such a copy..

Actually, the most expensive one right now is Parnassius davydovi, and arcticus is usually not cheaper than avtokrator.

Rather, difficult conditions for capture, as mentioned above.
Once upon a time I read somewhere about a butterfly trap in those places:
"The sight of a man in a panama hat and carrying a net may cause a slight laugh at first, but then they may well hang him by the legs and beat him in the ribs, so that he will soon admit what he is doing here."

I read that once, too. About 15 years ago, probably in the newspaper one was.

autocrats are already being brought out in artificial conditions.. A friend of mine has such a copy..

I am personally acquainted with a specialist who bred an autocrator in artificial conditions. This, I think, few people can do.

What is the reason for the high value of Apollo Avtokrator?In terms of price, it is the most expensive in all price lists.

Due to the fact that in order to find a station, you need to walk a lot of km through the mountains and not the fact that you will find this station.

"I am personally acquainted with a specialist who brought out the avtokrator in artificial conditions. This, I think, few people can do. "
Is
it with Ottmuller Shaw Lee? Or do you know anyone else who bred an avtokrator?
Or does it mean breeding from the pupa, as, for example, Sochivko did?
The biggest difficulty in breeding such species is getting gren from females. The rest is no more difficult than mnemosyne or nordmanni.

And what, from the pupa of the avtokrator, everyone is not too lazy to withdraw? like pear-shaped saturnia?

in my opinion, the most difficult thing is to catch the avtokrators and raise a plant..

Morozzz - " And what, from the pupa of the avtokrator, everyone is not too lazy to bring out? like pear-shaped saturnia? "

I take it that's like an affirmative answer to my third question? - )
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Ripper- " in my opinion, the most difficult thing is to catch avtokrators and raise a plant.. "
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You can grow autokrator and charltonius on Corydalis lutea and Corydalis ochroleuca (ishsho charltonius and C. ledebouriana). And maybe on other tufts, you need to try.

It's also good to know the right tufts "in person" - fimbrillifera, onobrychis. These are clearly not the only representatives of the crested women there?

to Babochnik: In order to get the autocrator out of the chrysalis in the apartment, you need to manage to bring this chrysalis alive to this apartment. And not from the Red Lighthouse, and not from Krasnaya Polyana.
I find it a little strange to read that this is almost a trivial matter. Did you take out the avtokrator yourself?
Otherwise, I'll introduce myself as Ottmuller right now.

Growing fimbrillifera, onobrychis not in the highlands is a lost cause (et checked). But to know them "in person" is really desirable.
to Morozzz. Yeah, I agree with you in the part of your post where you talk about getting smart. And sho concerns a trifling matter - then you probably inattentively read what sho I wrote. There where-thread says, sho it-a trifling matter? Can you quote it?
Avtokrator did not breed, my friends bred (Sochivko, by the way, is not one of them), and I myself bred other types of parnassus, and even now I am doing this. So sho I roughly represent what I'm talking about.
Finding Ottmuller - a couple of questions asked and a mustache... It's a fly-in. ;-)

Should I drop off the pupa? Is it easier to find a chrysalis than to catch live butterflies?
And live butterflies can lay their eggs near the tent, which can be installed in places where people will catch.. You can think of anything.. And then the eggs, I think, will not be more difficult to transport than the sailboat itself.
Plants are another matter. If they grow only in the highlands , then this will probably be almost impossible.. Unless it is possible to try out other plants, or to collect a whole bag of these tufts, which will not be allowed to pass through the border, and even store it is not known how.. or live in the highlands yourself, but somewhere in safe places And there, provided that it will be possible to grow in another place..
In general, there are too many "ifs"
But if someone grows it, then it's still possible?! Can it still be easier and easier to digest than driving and catching them?

And not only with high-altitude plants, I think, the problem.The butterfly is also high-altitude.And its breeding should also be in favorable conditions.Maybe in the mountains of the Caucasus and manage to breed It seems to me that the imported eggs will not give much sense.Pressure, discharged atmosphere-is the skin worth dressing?
I offer you an expedition this summer!Any volunteers?Or to Kalimantan.

The problem with the avtokrator and similar high-altitude species is that it is very difficult for females to carry. They need time to adapt. Rarely does anyone sit for long periods at such heights. However, females can also be brought down. My German friend brought a live female Parnassius imperator from China, which already gave 150 eggs in Germany (unfortunately, at that time he had no experience in breeding and wintering eggs, during which gren was successfully destroyed). I already wrote that these species can be grown on C. ochroleuca and C. lutea (true, P. loxias is much more fastidious and does not eat anything other than C. krasnovi, but we need to experiment, it is possible that it will eat others). Eggs pofik, charltonius and avtokrator were grown in Germany, I have articles with photos, and German-Austrian friends told me. So sho eggs give sense, and what else, then go get them...

They probably don't want to give birth outside of their husband's presence

Actually, the most expensive one right now is Parnassius davydovi, and arcticus is usually not cheaper than avtokrator.

Now in the Net I came across European sites for the sale of butterflies, so one male davydovi is worth as much as... 900-1200 slaughter units! BUT let's hope that the price will drop by several orders of magnitude over time!

Now in the Net I came across European sites for the sale of butterflies, so one male davydovi is worth as much as... 900-1200 slaughter units! BUT let's hope that the price will drop by several orders of magnitude over time!

Of course, I will be naive now, but we must go and look for it ourselves.
If you get lucky right away, it will be cheaper.

How naive I am!

to Ekos.
Zhenya, hi!
Give me a link with price tags on davydovi, if it's not difficult...

Morozzz:
So, are we planning an expedition for next year?

Morozzz:
So, are we planning an expedition for next year?

What's next? Let's go straight to this one!

You are there immediately with the dushmans agree on how many donkeys of pasta, stewed meat and vodka you can be redeemed from slavery

Dushmans live a little bit in other places

So they don't exist in Tajikistan?

PS: I mean not only ideological Islamists, but also just bandits, drug mafia..

This post was edited by Frantic - 02/01/2008 01: 13

So they don't exist in Tajikistan?

There are Ravshans, not dushmans

If we talk about P. davydovi, it seems that it is not in Tajikistan, but in Kyrgyzstan.

Well, Avtokrator - yes, this is Tajikistan.

You can find more detailed places on http://satento.com/, there give a list of species (by genus Parnassius all) for each places.

to Ekos.
Zhenya, hi!
Give me a link with price tags on davydovi, if it's not difficult...

Here, for example:
http://www.interinsects.com/50060498b80a98903/index.html

Of course, we are not wild enough to buy for such money. I agree with Morozzz, you have to go yourself

Thank you.

Do any of our esteemed colleagues know the details about:
"Tajik customs officers prevented an attempt to illegally export a collection of butterflies and beetles. According to the source, employees of the Customs Service of Khatlon region in the south of the country prevented attempts to export a collection of about two thousand butterflies and beetles by two citizens of Ukraine. All these butterflies and insects are listed in the Red Book of Tajikistan."?
What kind of "atrocities" are there at customs? Or did the people just get completely impudent and openly carry everything in the form of a collection on pins?

Do any of our esteemed colleagues know the details about:
"Tajik customs officers prevented an attempt to illegally export a collection of butterflies and beetles. According to the source, employees of the Customs Service of Khatlon region in the south of the country prevented attempts to export a collection of about two thousand butterflies and beetles by two citizens of Ukraine. All these butterflies and insects are listed in the Red Book of Tajikistan."?
What kind of "atrocities" are there at customs? Or did the people just get completely impudent and openly carry everything in the form of a collection on pins?

It is quite possible that the species were Red Book. Surely there was a place and *people just completely got impudent* I don't think that everyone who crosses the border is so seriously shmonayut there. But all these are my guesses, I know no more about this than you do.

Ha, and what kinds of butterflies are there - not Red Book ones ?
More precisely, why go to Tajikistan for those who can be caught in more comfortable places... ?

in Afghanistan for example

in Afghanistan for example

Well yes a worthy place for entomological extreme

Well, this Afghanistan is not so extreme. Although sincerely from Ripper's remark.