Colias in nature with open wings

 
One cold May morning, I think I saw a yellow moth basking in the sun ("it seems" because I was looking from a distance, and the butterfly immediately flew away - now I wonder if I was imagining it?

Well, maybe it wasn't a jaundice, Colias was a small butterfly, it could have been confused. Although it's a good idea to arrange such a photo hunt in the summer.
Perhaps someone will succeed, although very unlikely, I have never seen them with open wings in a state of complete rest.

This post was edited by Nozer - 03/20/2008 22: 07

More than once I saw basking yolks - they just sit sideways to the sun.

More than once I saw basking yolks - they just sit sideways to the sun.

This is of course. But it seemed to me that "my" yolk warms up with its wings open.

I hit Myrmidon a couple of times with its wings open, but it didn't click.

I hit Myrmidon a couple of times with its wings open, but it didn't click.

Morning or afternoon? By the way it is possible that Colias opens its wings when necessary and it is quite real to see this spectacle

During the day, in the myrmidon nursery on Nerskaya Street. There are a lot of them there, so the phenomenon is easier to notice.

There are a lot of them there, so the phenomenon is easier to notice.

Ilya fully agrees. . In the field, when you see a maximum of 3 Colias, it is more difficult to observe, when you will be there again, try to please us with photos

This post was edited by Nozer - 21.03.2008 21: 31

In the field, when you see a maximum of 3 Colias, it is more difficult to observe, when you will be there again, try to please us with photos

I don't know about myrmidons, but there are dozens of yellow eggs flying in the Crimea. More than once I observed them both in the morning, at the beginning of summer, and in the evening.

I hit Myrmidon a couple of times with its wings open, but it didn't click.

A photo of such a myrmidon is available on the Ivy and Co.disk. Your information is in favor of the fact that the photo is not staged.

I don't know about myrmidons, but there are dozens of yellow eggs flying in the Crimea. More than once I observed them both in the morning, at the beginning of summer, and in the evening.

If you see them with open wings - take a picture. It seems to me that yolks with open wings should be observed when they are in large numbers( for example, in nature reserves) it's just easier to notice.

Nozer
So this is a famous place! The images seemed to have a topic about them, and Zhuk vkontakte has an album from a trip there. True, with open wings - only in the hands.

I've never seen a colias with their wings open. But in my opinion, this happens very rarely.

  

I've seen similar photos, seemingly natural, but who knows, maybe staged?

But if you try to look at specific photos - what types were taken, where and by whom. What sites are they located on?

But if you try to look at specific photos - what types were taken, where and by whom. What sites are they located on?

Myrmidon is found on the disk of Ivy and Co.

There is a photo in a North American book. I'll try not to forget and dump it here.

Here is the photo. It is a North American species [Colias eurytheme]. If this is a production, then a workshop, just a training session...

By the way, this is the view I thought I saw in a similar position.

Pictures:

C_eurytheme__Cech_.jpg — (57.58к)

What site did you get the photo from?

Here is the photo. It is a North American species [Colias eurytheme]. If this is a production, then a workshop, just a training session...

By the way, this is the view I thought I saw in a similar position.

As for the American jaundice-I can not judge. Perhaps the Americans sometimes open their wings. The photo looks very natural, but it would be nice to see it in good resolution.
As for the myrmidon on the Ivy disk, let's zoom in and take a closer look.
First, let's determine where the Sun is shining from. Judging by the shadow of the stone (1), it shines from the left, from the side. Which is strange, because butterflies always turn to him with the plane of their wings, fans of photographing butterflies probably noticed this. The tendril also confirms the correct direction of the sun's rays with its shadow (2). Let's pay attention to how the butterfly sits. One front paw is extended forward, the other is not visible. The butterfly's head is lying on a rock-you can see it in the shadow. The front paw is also almost lying on the stone-the shadow is almost not separated from the paw (3). (If you are interested, you can see on my website exactly how the yolks are used to holding their paws). The butterfly's flat foot and head lying on a rock don't look very natural. The right wing of the butterfly lies on the ground. The left one is clearly slightly raised. Anyone who watched the butterflies basking noticed that they move the front wings forward, removing them from the rear, in order to get a larger heating area. In the butterfly in the photo, the front wings cover the rear ones ("shifted") – and that's very easy to get if the butterfly is slightly strangled." But to get the opposite ("spread" wings) artificially will not work so easily. Those who spread the butterflies remember that the released front wings tend to move back, covering the rear ones, but not vice versa.
And the most interesting thing is the semi-inverted proboscis (4), lying(!) on a rock. Anyone who has caught a butterfly and pressed down on its breast to make it impossible to fly may have noticed that butterflies tend to unfold and fold their proboscis, but often do not fold it completely.
Summing up all the above, I conclude that this is a rather rough staged shot.

Pictures:

colias1.jpg — (202.85к)


colias2.jpg — (74.89к)

Colias romanovi
Photo is not mine, maybe staged, but it is quite difficult to determine.

As for the American jaundice-I can not judge. Perhaps the Americans sometimes open their wings. The photo looks very natural, but it would be nice to see it in good resolution.

Photo from the book Cech, Tudor, Butterflies of the East Coast (meaning USA). The authors of the book discuss aspects of photographing and condemn staged photos; it is stated that all photos in the book (except for a few copies that were hit by a car - which is specially stipulated) are natural.

As for myrmidon, I agree. Proboscis, of course, saw, but hope remained ... By the way, it is not clear why the authors of the disk, where the emphasis is on the photo of collectible copies, include such a photo?

Nozer: Where did your photo come from?

Nozer: Where did your photo come from?

From the site http://www.shumkar.ru/gallery/aym_insects/...ovi-33-30-m.php

they discuss aspects of photographing and condemn staged photos; it is indicated that all photos in the book (except for a few copies that were hit by a car - which is specially stipulated) are natural.

In this case, it is obvious that the photo is really natural. By the way, the fact that a butterfly has opened its wings slightly does not necessarily mean that this is its static position. I have often seen how yolks feeding on flowers for half a second several times very quickly open and close their wings. With a lot of effort, I think you can catch up and shoot such moments. Some of the takes may well be successful. If you devote enough time to such a photo hunt, then I think that it is quite realistic to make such a frame.

I think that Colias still open their wings, but not completely, but partially. The photo of Colias eurytheme from Kharkovbut is hardly staged, although I agree with okoem, it would be nice to consider it in the best resolution, but there is another photo taken
by Morozzz in the Tver region, in the photo of the European yolk Colias palaeno. Here is the link http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...9&st=0&p=549025
But if Colias opens its wings completely, then the photo is rather staged, since some imperfect natural signs for them are constantly revealed. Thank you okoem for detailed analysis of the photos.

there is another photo taken
by Morozzz in the Tver region, in the photo the European jaundice Colias palaeno.

Let's analyze the available information.
1. The actual photo.
- Anyone who has observed the behavior of butterflies may have noticed that feeding butterflies rarely open their wings and if they do, they usually do not open very wide. Butterflies that want to rest with their wings open rarely do so on flowers, more often on the ground or on a leaf. In the picture, the wings are spread quite wide, which is rather uncharacteristic, especially since the photo is not a nymphalid, but a colias.
- Anyone who has observed feeding yolks may have noticed that they always sit down in such a way that the head is located approximately in the middle of the flower. Because when unfolding the proboscis, they usually hold it slightly in front of the head. Those who do not have their own observations can watch a series of feeding colias here -
http://babochki-kryma.narod.ru/1_Pieridae/Colias_crocea.htm
The butterfly in the picture is positioned so that the center of the flower is under the abdomen, which eliminates the possibility of feeding.
- There are no shadows anywhere, but it is noticeable that the right wings are lighter, i.e. in relation to the butterfly, the light again falls on the left. For basking butterflies, as I have already said, this arrangement of wings in relation to the Sun is not typical, but it is convenient for a staged photo.
Thus, in general, a somewhat strange picture is obtained – the butterfly is sitting on a flower, while not feeding, but taking sun baths, turning sideways to the sun and half-covering its hind wings with its front ones.
2. Photographing butterflies. Who is engaged in photographing butterflies, he knows how difficult it is sometimes to shoot even banal views with high quality. Often this is only one not very successful shot for dozens of attempts to get close to the butterfly. As for shooting various non-standard situations, for example," playing " colias, opening their wings, IMHO this is more likely for experienced photographers. As far as I understand, the author of the picture is not a photographer, but a collector. At the same time, the image is very beautiful, and the left and right wings are equally visible, the wings are arranged symmetrically, and there are no different blades of grass, leaves, or other distracting elements that are often inherent in natural images. In other words, a colias sitting calmly on a flower with its wings open should be ordinary enough to make such a cool picture.
3. Psychology. Going out into a clearing with flying colias, but not opening their wings, the photographer has a natural desire-and how would it be to shoot them with their wings open? (This topic even appeared on the forum;-) ) For a person with a net, the simplest and most logical solution is to catch, press down (which has long become a common thing), beautifully sit on a flower and calmly take a picture. It is completely irrational to spend the whole day chasing timid colias with a camera, when with the help of a net the issue is solved in a couple of minutes.

Let everyone draw their own conclusions, but I just tried to list the things that seemed strange to me.

I've never seen a yellow bird resting with its wings open, and I've seen a lot of them ... Therefore, I do not believe in the truth of the situation of any pictures, if such come across. And so....

This post was edited by cajarc - 03/31/2008 16: 57

The photo with Colias romanovi is obviously staged.

What about these photos?
http://www.satento.com/dolon.htm
http://www.satento.com/bishkek.htm
http://www.satento.com/kokshaal.htm
http://www.satento.com/sary_dzhaz.htm
http://www.satento.com/chatkal.htm
http://www.satento.com/alai.htm
http://www.satento.com/peter.htm - COLIAS-SIEVERSI 100% STAGED

What about these photos?

I think that with a closer and more detailed examination, you can also identify many signs of a staged photo. Although Colias romanovi from the first site looks quite natural, but still the picture is too small to draw any conclusions. Here is another photo of Colias hyale on this site and also with open wings: http://www.faunistik.net/DETINVERT/LEPIDOP...hyale_ad02.html

A small offtopic, but-from the series "what happens in the subfamily Coliadinae". This is Eurema daira, shot in Florida, USA. The picture is mine, taken in natural conditions. In the picture, the male shows his charms in the form of a black stripe to two females at once (as far as I remember, he also releases pheromones).

Pictures:

E_daira_group_12_19_2005_FL_Navy_Wells_PP.JPG — (190.47к)

Although Colias romanovi from the first site looks quite natural, but still the picture is too small to draw any conclusions.

What is natural about a butterfly lying flat on the ground?
Why is the image too small? What details do you think are not visible?

What is natural about a butterfly lying flat on the ground?
Why is the image too small? What details do you think are not visible?

I'm not talking about my photo, I'm talking about Colias romanovi from the site that AntSkr posted.

This post was edited by Nozer - 02.04.2008 14: 45

the photos are 100% staged, in my opinion, since when the grandmother is killed, her wings do not unfold symmetrically, which is clearly visible in the photos..

I'm not talking about my photo, I'm talking about Colias romanovi from the site that AntSkr posted.

Oh, right... There's also Colias romanovi... I'm sorry: -)