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Робинзоныч, 25.03.2009 20:13

Good day to the esteemed community.

I have a couple of questions.
I apologize in advance if suddenly my topic offends someone or God forbid it will hurt.

Became interested in eating insects (for survival training purposes). I tried locusts and larvae in Japan, and now I thought-is it possible to eat our Russian grasshoppers?
1) The questions, in fact, are: are there any poisonous species among the blacksmiths of the Middle Zone? And which ones are most suitable for entomophagy?
2)Will catching them for personal use become dangerous for the population?
3) If not, what is the best way to catch them, so that at least an hour to catch them on a plate?

I'm sorry again if your questions are incorrect.

Thank you in advance for any clarification!

Comments

25.03.2009 21:18, RippeR

ordinary fillies are quite suitable. Collect better with a net, mowing. Populations are large, it is quite possible to collect on a plate and quickly, populations will not hurt)

25.03.2009 21:32, Робинзоныч

Thank you very much!

25.03.2009 21:41, Fornax13

Only, I think it would be better to keep them without food for a while. Otherwise, they'll eat all sorts of stuff, like wormwood.

25.03.2009 23:15, RippeR

well, it will be like absinthe ^_^
they are not raw to eat, but preferably fried. In general, how much of this wormwood will they get drunk on and how much good will it do in this case?

26.03.2009 0:04, Papaver

Well, if wormwood is pretty-double the benefit - and eat and drive away worms...
And absinthe is made only from one type of wormwood-Artemisia absinthium L. And this is a very unprofitable thing...
However, only A. santonica L. is usually used as an anthelmintic ...
But A. dracunculus L. (tarragon, tarragon) - just be a cool seasoning for entomological "meat"! beer.gif

26.03.2009 0:10, Papaver

well, it will be like absinthe ^_^
they are not raw to eat, but preferably fried

Vividly introduced a man after the disaster, which completely accidentally turned out to be: a frying pan, matches, and a bottle of cooking oil... lol.gif

26.03.2009 0:17, Fornax13

"they are not eaten raw, but preferably fried."
Yes, that live, that fried... you can't eat a lot of them with wormwood, the desire to eat will quickly disappear smile.gifAnd then reappear with a vengeance yes.gif

Where do you get such fillies that eat dracunculus?.. rolleyes.gif

26.03.2009 0:30, Papaver

To be honest, I don't know about fillies. But why not? Sheep eat wormwood, too.
But for example, the caterpillars of Hyles galii, a bedstraw hawk moth, were met by me (albeit only rarely) on such exotic plants as Achillea millefolium L. (common yarrow) and Tanacetum boreale Fisch. (northern tansy), which I recorded in one of the articles. But you will agree - also a plant "with taste"! And also not typical, in the sense of food, for the larvae of this species...

26.03.2009 0:35, Fornax13

Another question is whether they feed on them.
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26.03.2009 0:43, Papaver

In general, Robinsonych asks about insects of the middle lane! So with wormwood in any case will not be prohibitive. And then - why are you so fixated on fillies? The larvae of woodcutters and goldfinches will be both more tender and more nutritious; just do not eat the head - like the" tail " of a shrimp... wink.gif

26.03.2009 0:49, Fornax13

Yes, indeed! Or larvae of webs - also a good thing smile.gifThere and the head should not be thrown wink.gifout

26.03.2009 0:50, Papaver

Another question is whether they feed on them.

Here I agree. I observed them only for 2-3 days - to make sure that they are on these plants not by chance. But I didn't feed it all the way... By the way, another (and last) plant from the family. The asteraceae noted as a food source for this hawk moth is Cirsium setosum (Willd.) Bess., bristly bodyak. yes.gif

26.03.2009 1:16, Fornax13

If I understand correctly, this is not uncommon in insects. When an insect can easily feed on an unusual plant species, but development does not go on.
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26.03.2009 2:24, Papaver

Well, I would not insist that in the above cases "an insect may well feed on an unusual plant species, but development does not go" - no one has ever matured firsthand... But the literature on this subject will need to be viewed. In addition, let's not forget that in addition to mono - and oligo - there are also polyphages. And the line between the last two legos is blurred, for example, in the case of a large area...

26.03.2009 23:15, RippeR

eat the fillies anyway. so that they don't eat there )

but the larvae of barbels and goldenrods do not care!!!1 It is better to have fillies or larvae of eardrums.. And why suddenly the larvae of mustachioed cats can not eat the head? how is it worse?7

26.03.2009 23:24, Papaver

I understand-I understand your concern for the smaller brothers-suddenly they will not live to see your pin...
And their "boshka" crunches unappetizing - try it yourself, my friend! wink.gif

27.03.2009 17:59, RippeR

Well, if only the crunch is the case, then it's not terrible ) I'll have to try )

I really care about the beetles living up to my pin ^_^ why eat them in vain if you can eat fillies)

27.03.2009 18:47, bober

dachshund well, I will answer that I ate when I was engaged in survival smile.gifall of the following I ate myself, both raw and fried
, I give only in the middle lane: any locusts and grasshoppers, larvae of goldfish, barbels, horns, bronzes, any aquatic insects and their larvae, caterpillars( there is a lot to write here... in short, you need to know what is possible and what is not because some caterpillars feed on poisonous plants)it is advisable to choose hairless ones, and from those covered with hairs, squeeze out the contents,ants and their larvae and cocoons, larvae of wasps, bees, bumblebees.Any spiders, moquits,oatmeal (but these are no longer insects), they are only fried.
Well, like everything for the middle lane
, but in general, you can eat almost everything, it all depends on the feeling of hunger, psychological preparation and the most extreme situation!( for example, a bunch of live larvae of a deer gadfly looks terrible, but it doesn't taste bad at all and is considered a delicacy by reindeer herderswink.gif)
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31.03.2009 16:03, Aleksandr Ermakov

I tried to eat grasshoppers alone. I had enough spirit only for "thighs". The meat there is only chitin, the taste is not shrimp. "Product" had to be strongly fried on coals (so that the mermitida for dessert is not bitten off). Overall, I didn't like the crunch.
Boiled cocoons of formic also did not impress-rice in appearance, something disgusting in taste (maybe they were stale ...)
Stewed subsurface larvae and earthworms are much tastier, only they need to be carefully opened and washed. And marinate in some sour shnyaga.
And yet, there will be salt - you can also crunch hare droppings, instead of tortillas smile.gif

31.03.2009 16:09, Aleksandr Ermakov

And another afterthought.
From my childhood, I remember that in pioneer camps they caught horseflies (tabanus and chrysopsis went well), removed the abdomen, and left a transparent jelly-shaped "snot"hanging on the chest. So sweet that they ate without any squeamishness.
What's not a source of carbohydrates on a hot summer afternoon?
Or can you pick up something?! And in general, what kind of "hardware" is this?


And a little more. What I would now venture to try is fried large sawfly larvae and non-hairy scoop caterpillars. At least it looks like sausages

31.03.2009 17:54, RippeR

On Sunday, I tried wire larvae, figs knows someone whether chernotelok, or nutcrackers, I don't know. It tastes almost tasteless, quite a good food and protein source)

31.03.2009 20:03, Papaver

Esss! As I understand it, the main thing is to put aside prejudices and not "help" yourself with terrible faces, as in "Extreme Survival" on TV...
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31.03.2009 20:36, bober

yes, the main thing is psychological training. Insects are a fairly simple way to get food for themselves in an extreme situation.The most difficult thing to overcome yourself, for example, is to eat carrion or engage in cannibalism( and there were such cases), but this is naturally not in the middle lane that was asked about above.In the middle zone it is generally very difficult to get into such a situation and not go out to people smile.gif

01.04.2009 21:19, Liparus

And I'm going to fry locusts in a frying pan this year anyway)
And snails and toad legs are very healthy and delicious...Insects must surely have a lot of nutritious and healthy nutrients in them...this is generally a free protein that is not worth paying for...in my opinion, it is more useful than buying a chicken stuffed with antibiotics in the store.

You will need to create a new theme*recipes for cooking pasture* lol.gif lol.gif

This post was edited by Liparus - 01.04.2009 21: 21

01.04.2009 21:45, RippeR

if you still learn how to preserve or dry all this for storage, then you can go live in the woods happily)
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01.04.2009 22:36, Papaver

Well, I don't know... For me, the same pork neck or ribs-properly marinated and well-fried... Yes, with greens... Yes, under cabernet or merlot... Zvinyayte of course-BETTER!!!
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01.04.2009 22:38, RippeR

and for me, it's better to have a bed of cockroaches than merlot or cabernet ))

And no one refuses sows or partridges )

01.04.2009 22:40, Papaver

Anything but cockroaches!!!

01.04.2009 23:20, Liparus

Anything but cockroaches!!!


Yes and except for porridge made from fleas or lice beer.gif

02.04.2009 12:16, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Anything but cockroaches!!!


But this is interesting. If you remember in what quantity and on what feed the same naufets are bred, then you can not buy meat! Crisis suggestion lol.gifThe problem is only in the recipe.

02.04.2009 15:08, Guest

I read somewhere, I don't remember where, progressive sclerosis, somewhere in the deserts, when locusts flew, the following happened: the aborigines let out all the cattle and poultry, well, this is understandable, and they ate from the belly, eating horned ones, and the locals at this time filled all available tanks and containers with locusts, well this is also understandable, because after the locusts, there is absolutely nothing to eat themselves, so they did not eat live locusts, but dried them, ground them into flour and went ahead.
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02.04.2009 16:39, RippeR

if you cook and eat insects for a long time, they will become delicious - it doesn't matter if they are cockroaches or crickets.. There are Asians, Africans, South Americans, etc. eating insects and getting high.. Work on your own tastes and cockroaches will become a delicacy)
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02.04.2009 17:06, Papaver

Brother RippeR, you're certainly right!
But there are national food traditions, individual habits in the end... I'm not even talking about the basic availability of products... And so far I have bread, milk, buckwheat, rice, lentils, carrots and so on. quite traditional food - why should I choke on cockroaches?! Is this extremism necessary in "peacetime"?
As for working on yourself, I'm all for it! I can only assure you that there are more worthy and urgent problems of personal growth.
Finally, I also spent a number of years studying insects. But beware of fanaticism!!! Just a little more - and we will hear offers to mate with them! eek.gif
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02.04.2009 17:11, Guest

yes, this is something, and it will be time to open a new topic-the relationship of insects to entomo (pato)logs.

02.04.2009 19:10, Guest

Ripper, bedon cockroaches and a quote.
when asked if he was married or gay, he said neither. In general, a person of terrible and terrible fate.

02.04.2009 20:17, RippeR

well, ash stump, change the chicken breast for cockroaches is not worth it. But you can try it )
As for the problems of personal growth-no doubt, but more worthy or less worthy can hardly be called, we can say-if it is available in the future, then why not, whatever it is )
Mating with insects 0_o Well, I don't know, first of all, how, and secondly, how you can go to this from eating them ))
In general, I myself have eaten 2 larvae and a couple of dozen ants in my entire life - because of the delicious acid)
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24.06.2009 0:35, bsm

stuff like wormwood.

mad.gif mad.gif umnik.gif

Well, if wormwood is pretty-double the benefit - and eat and drive away worms...
And absinthe is made only from one type of wormwood-Artemisia absinthium L. And this is a very unprofitable thing...
However, only A. santonica L. is usually used as an anthelmintic ...
But A. dracunculus L. (tarragon, tarragon) - just be a cool seasoning for entomological "meat"! beer.gif

To improve the taste of absinthe, “petite absinthe” (Artemisia pontica) was sometimes added,
Only in the flora of Ukraine 14 types of wormwood have anthelmintic properties.
To be honest, I don't know about fillies. But why not? Sheep eat wormwood, too.

"The list of animals that use wormwood as a food base includes small and large cattle, sika deer, camels, horses, sheep, goats, marals, gazelles, saigas, rabbits, ground squirrels, marmots and beavers ...
In addition, the water-alcohol infusion of A. vulgaris stimulates the survival of silkworm caterpillars, increases their butterfly fecundity and cocoon mass, and A. hololeuca increases the survival of caterpillars when fed." Here I quote my article. All data are collected in the literature.

And now, actually, the question. I'm currently very interested in wormwood's consort connections. You so well here told how grasshoppers eat wormwood. So I really need: what grasshoppers and not grasshoppers eat (and preferably from those that are found in Ukraine), what kind of wormwood, where to go to read about it to refer shuffle.gif

This post was edited by bsm - 24.06.2009 00: 40
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