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Spilarctia alba found in Khabarovsk Region

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Dracus, 23.07.2010 6:21

V. Dubatolov found the bear Spilarctia alba (Bremer) in the Bolshekhekhtsirsky nature Reserve & Gray, 1853), previously unknown north of Beijing. The discovery was even reported on central TV channels

http://hbr.moigorod.ru/news/details.asp?n=2146409392
http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/199504/

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23.07.2010 12:09, vasiliy-feoktistov

"The abnormal heat attracted a butterfly to the Khabarovsk Territory, which had never been found in Russia before. Scientists have discovered a rare insect for the first time in our country. Its name means "White Bear" in Latin.

Vladimir Dubatolov, entomologist: "This species was previously known only from Southern and Central China, north to Beijing. No one has ever found it north of Beijing. Therefore, the discovery, I believe, is quite sensational, and it was impossible to predict it."

The unusual name of the butterfly was due to its appearance-thick hairs resemble the fur of a polar bear. The author of the discovery is preparing documents for entering the insect in the Red Book of Russia, NTV notes."
And many people take it seriously.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 23.07.2010 12: 09
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23.07.2010 17:31, Mantispid

Well, a certain similarity with bears can still be traced, and alba translates as "white". Not so much misinterpreted

23.07.2010 17:48, vasiliy-feoktistov

Misrepresented something strongly. White (polar) bear) in Latin: Ursus maritimus.
Journalists, in a word (at least they wouldn't translate from Latin and display associations from this one) smile.gif.
P.S. And there are plenty of white bears (butterflies) besides this one. Alba is an alba, but why should this particular species be associated with a polar bear (some species of this family will be much whiter than this one). How the entomologist was amused by God lol.gif

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 23.07.2010 18: 15

23.07.2010 22:40, Borka

Bear in Greek arktos (Spil arctia alba (Bremer & Grey, 1853)). Maybe that's what they meant? confused.gif

This post was edited by Borka - 23.07.2010 22: 40

29.07.2010 12:11, Виктор Синяев

Evona che:

http://news.ngs.ru/more/69220/


Novosibirsk entomologist caught a "polar bear"
[28.07.10]
Novosibirsk entomologist Vladimir Dubatolov caught a rare butterfly — "polar bear" in the vicinity of Khabarovsk.

According to the NTV channel, Vladimir Dubatolov, an employee of the Novosibirsk Institute of Animal Systematics and Ecology of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, who is on field work near Khabarovsk, caught a butterfly called "Korean iptima" or "polar bear".

No entomologist has ever managed to catch such an insect on the territory of Russia. "The discovery is sensational, it was impossible to predict it," Vladimir Dubatolov said in an interview with the TV channel. Now the scientist is preparing documents for entering the insect in the Red Book of Russia.

As reported by the NHS.NEWS at the Institute of Animal Systematics and Ecology SB RAS, the entomologist continues to work in Khabarovsk, his business trip will last until the end of summer.

Congratulations, Vladimir Viktorovich!
In China, this is a common type, I collected it myself. What Arctidae sp. One of the species Spilosoma (night Bear moth) found on the territory of our country is an interesting event and fact in such sciences as Zoogeography and Entomology. But its inclusion in the Red Book is a controversial issue. For two butterflies from the Red Book of India that I collected in the Himalayas, I was arrested for 70 days, they wanted to give me 6.5 years... I would like people to think about it: who is the criminal, the one who catches butterflies or the one who puts them in the Red Book and makes people criminals...
Officials," figures " from Biology make us think that we should protect the butterflies themselves... but butterflies are food for a large number of all kinds of animals, birds, reptiles, insects, and so on. So many that catching them by experts and amateurs will not bring any damage to the population, but only increase knowledge about them.
Butterflies and other insects should be recognized as INDICATORS of the state of the natural environment, and if we decide to mark them as rare or simply beautiful, and save them!!! Then you should protect the very Environment in which they live, and not build cottages and supermarkets on this territory. But this is something we don't know how to do or don't want to do. It's easier to plant a man with a net...
Well, if it, a butterfly, is not "pinned" on an entomological pin, then we will never know about it... They don't describe butterflies based on photos. Photos in Nature only give us more Knowledge about this species...
Look at the root!
P.S. Here I discuss with people who gave comments to the material, see the WEB page: http://news.ngs.ru/more/69220/
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29.07.2010 12:17, vasiliy-feoktistov

Congratulations, Vladimir Viktorovich!
In China, this is a common type, I collected it myself. What Arctidae sp. One of the species Spilosoma (night Bear moth) found on the territory of our country is an interesting event and fact in such sciences as Zoogeography and Entomology. But its inclusion in the Red Book is a controversial issue. For two butterflies from the Red Book of India that I collected in the Himalayas, I was arrested for 70 days, they wanted to give me 6.5 years... I would like people to think about it: who is the criminal, the one who catches butterflies or the one who puts them in the Red Book and makes people criminals...
Officials," figures " from Biology make us think that we should protect the butterflies themselves... but butterflies are food for a large number of all kinds of animals, birds, reptiles, insects, and so on. So many that catching them by experts and amateurs will not bring any damage to the population, but only increase knowledge about them.
Butterflies and other insects should be recognized as INDICATORS of the state of the natural environment, and if we decide to mark them as rare or simply beautiful, and save them!!! Then you should protect the very Environment in which they live, and not build cottages and supermarkets on this territory. But this is something we don't know how to do or don't want to do. It's easier to plant a man with a net...
Well, if it, a butterfly, is not "pinned" on an entomological pin, then we will never know about it... They don't describe butterflies based on photos. Photos in Nature only give us more Knowledge about this species...
Look at the root!
P.S. Here I discuss with people who gave comments to the material, see the WEB page: http://news.ngs.ru/more/69220/

Viktor, this fact is already under discussion here: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=407819
PS Sorry, I hurried to answer (that's why I moved it).

29.07.2010 12:32, Юстус

Wow, that's cool! I caught it myself, killed it myself, and brought it to the CC myself. smile.gif

29.07.2010 14:36, vasiliy-feoktistov

Damn, what kind of people do we mad.gifhave ? I wanted to write a comment there myself in support of Vladimir Viktorovich, but for some reason he won't let me register. In fact, the discussion there is still asking for an example in the topic "The attitude of ordinary people to entomologists" lol.gif
Viktor, thank you for supporting Vladimir Viktorovich beer.gif.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 29.07.2010 14: 36

29.07.2010 16:16, чайник555

Damn, what kind of people do we mad.gifhave ? I wanted to write a comment there myself in support of Vladimir Viktorovich, but for some reason he won't let me register. In fact, the discussion there is still asking for an example in the topic "The attitude of ordinary people to entomologists" lol.gif
Viktor, thank you for supporting Vladimir Viktorovich beer.gif.


You will laugh, but the attitude of ordinary people to all people they do not understand is about the same - and what kind of people are doing garbage ? Aren't you ready for this ?

29.07.2010 16:51, vasiliy-feoktistov

You will laugh, but the attitude of ordinary people to all people they do not understand is about the same - and what kind of people are doing garbage ? Aren't you ready for this ?

Yes, I am ready, I am ready (I constantly encounter this). They just keep wondering. "Live forever, be surprised forever" - selyavi.

29.07.2010 17:54, Юстус

Damn, what kind of people do we mad.gifhave ?

If you do not" puff "and" steam "is not allowed (I'm talking about the" smiley face"), and so – on" sober head", then the QC in this case is clearly too much.
This case – a fly-in, drift (wind, Chinese), invasion, expansion of the range, or something else - is an isolated case. What does CC have to do with it? Guard what? Territories where she might still be heading someday? This is hundreds of thousands of hectares. Guard the wind? The Chinese? Or "global warming"?
If another one "flies in", then her-where? Protect them? Or is it possible, like the previous one, to put a pin on it, so that (in the end) you can create a "series"?
In my unenlightened opinion, the CC was clearly hurried.
And the "people we have" as everywhere... normal, in other things...

29.07.2010 18:27, vasiliy-feoktistov

If you do not" puff "and" steam "is not allowed (I'm talking about the" smiley face"), and so – on" sober head", then the QC in this case is clearly too much.
This case – a fly-in, drift (wind, Chinese), invasion, expansion of the range, or something else - is an isolated case. What does CC have to do with it? Guard what? Territories where she might still be heading someday? This is hundreds of thousands of hectares. Guard the wind? The Chinese? Or "global warming"?
If another one "flies in", then her-where? Protect them? Or is it possible, like the previous one, to put a pin on it, so that (in the end) you can create a "series"?
In my unenlightened opinion, the CC was clearly hurried.
And the "people we have" as everywhere ... normal, in something else…

With KK then you are absolutely right. I'm talking about the attitude: after all, about the"disgusting act" -impaling on a pin, people mostly talk about crushing caterpillars on sidewalks simply because the caterpillars are so ugly in their opinion. Or do they throw gobies around the forest?
Who knows how many people have died in the Moscow region due to the latest fires?

29.07.2010 18:40, Yakovlev

Good find. And it's nice that this was reported on TV channels. Don't just show them fools. I am in favor of more such news and fewer others... Just like in Slovenia. Barko will understand me...

This post was edited by Yakovlev - 29.07.2010 18: 40
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30.07.2010 2:32, Ekos

The author of the discovery is preparing documents for entering the insect in the Red Book of Russia, NTV notes."


Very sorry... I agree with Viktor Sinyaev that this is the wrong idea. In Russia, quite a lot of butterfly species are known from single specimens - and what if all of them are included in the Red Book? And this uniqueness is often due to only one factor - we simply do not get to the time and place of summer of such species. And they may not be as rare as they are supposed to be. On the part of the Khabarovsk entomologists, I will say that we will oppose the inclusion of this species in the new list of rare and endangered species of animals of the Khabarovsk Territory. And it is not so easy to add a species to the Red List, especially since this is not a single decision, but a collective one!
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30.07.2010 3:05, Guest

And journalists are idiots - they don't know how to make news, they will always twist everything! From an already specified site http://news.ngs.ru/more/69220/: "According to the NTV channel, Vladimir Dubatolov, an employee of the Novosibirsk Institute of Animal Systematics and Ecology of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, who is on field work near Khabarovsk, caught a butterfly called "Korean iptima" or "polar bear"."
Synonymized butterflies from different superfamilies lol.gif

30.07.2010 6:09, чайник555

And journalists are idiots - they don't know how to make news, they will always twist everything! From an already specified site http://news.ngs.ru/more/69220/: "According to the NTV channel, Vladimir Dubatolov, an employee of the Novosibirsk Institute of Animal Systematics and Ecology of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, who is on field work near Khabarovsk, caught a butterfly called "Korean iptima" or "polar bear"."
Synonymized butterflies from different superfamilies lol.gif


No need to scold the journalists too much - they write (and talk) what they will be told (and often, by the same scientists). And most often in conditions of a terrible lack of time. News should usually be released immediately...

30.07.2010 6:33, Yakovlev

No need to scold the journalists too much - they write (and talk) what they will be told (and often, by the same scientists). And most often in conditions of a terrible lack of time. News should usually be released immediately...

Sorry to deviate from the topic, but you need to scold the journal
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30.07.2010 9:05, чайник555

Sorry to deviate from the topic, but you need to scold the journalist

Well, if you feel better about it, then where to go...
Suddenly your digestion improves, your ego grows, or your chakras open up to unprecedented depths...
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30.07.2010 14:03, Pavel Morozov

Journalists should be scolded more often, so that they do not relax. If you submit news, be competent in this topic.
Where are the butterflies? TV people don't want to know anything about aviation either. Here, the other day there was news about the Mi-8 helicopter captured in Sudan with a Russian crew. The commentator is broadcasting, and in the background - a picture - Mi-26.

Well, don't you have to scold? And in general, any event should be made a sensation, a blockbuster, a record. For example, they have already hesitated about the temperature records of this summer to sing songs.
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30.07.2010 15:50, vasiliy-feoktistov

They are not competent in anything (even in the territorial division) these are not exactly villages, but the territory of the city of Zheleznodorozhny (happening 2 km from the house): http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=381955&cid=549 Damn, I've been catching beetles there all my life. It's sad, but that's how biotopes are destroyed. Not quite in the subject, but I didn't know where to post it.

30.07.2010 19:04, Yakovlev

Well, if you feel better about it, then where to go...
Suddenly your digestion improves, your ego grows, or your chakras open up to unprecedented depths...

My digestion gets worse when you see and read heresy. I don't have any chakras.
In general, if we return to the topic, many excellent faunal finds have been made in the Amur region in recent years. It's just fine

30.07.2010 20:38, rhopalocera.com

My digestion gets worse when you see and read heresy. I don't have any chakras.
In general, if we return to the topic, many excellent faunal finds have been made in the Amur region in recent years. That's just fine



And I would say that this is alarming. After all, all the signs of a steadily approaching glaciation are present.

30.07.2010 20:59, Bad Den

And I would say that this is alarming. After all, all the signs of a steadily approaching glaciation are present.

"We will all die!" (c)
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