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Generations or cohort in common insects

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Hierophis, 28.07.2015 19:44

Once a great scientist ) I was told that individuals born in a nest, for example, social wasps, bees, or other similar insects, which are characterized by the periodic appearance of several individuals from the same cell, are not correctly called several generations, but need to be called somehow differently, for example, several cohorts. I don't remember much of the argument anymore, so I'd like to read it first-hand, so to speak, especially since the scientist has recently joined the ranks of the Russian Academy of Sciences. smile.gif

I will only note that in the several articles I have analyzed, the concept of generations is used, so it is necessary to explain why this term is not suitable, and why it is a cohort.

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28.07.2015 21:07, ИНО

You didn't dare for a long time. Year after year, he threatened to create this topic. And how did you not get that out of your head along with the name of the horsefly and other much more important information? The most interesting thing is that the case is not worth a damn. It is best called broods, according to monographs, p. 139. The authors have done a very good job to bring all the contradictory variety of existing terminology on hymenopteran bionomy (on the example of bees) to the "common denominator". I have seen the synonymous term "cohorts" in publications by other authors. But "brood" is closer to the native Russian language.

This post was edited by ENO-07/28/2015 21: 08

28.07.2015 21:30, Hierophis

Actually, it's an important case, because it's quite objective. The word generation itself can be used in different senses, but how to use that link is a completely different matter, I liked it ) Because cohort-it sounds strange, and generation-it seems to be not definite.
But in general, in the literature, such combinations as "the first generation of working individuals"
(greetings from Rusina http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...&hl=uk&&ct=clnk

28.07.2015 23:55, ИНО

Aha, I already ran to shovel through the mountain of domestic and foreign literature that I have accumulated in order to find out which of the authors wrote "cohort", who "generation", and who "brood" and present the link to the great Naturalist of all Nikolaev on a plate with a golden border. Unless you pay me for this work... As far as I can remember, I haven't written about broods in any publications yet. The issue is not whether the term "cohort" should be used, but whether the term "generation"should be used in this case. Banal logic suggests that no, you can't. You've already proved that it is possible and necessary. I already forgot. By the way, I also referred you to this monograph at the time, but you, as it turned out now, never bothered to read it. Or I read it, but I already forgot, like that horsefly. so the question is really serious, but the dispute is not serious at all.

29.07.2015 7:44, Hierophis

In general, we will write it down-we could not get confirmation of the use of these options in the literature. Shoveling nothing is unnecessary, there is a Google academy, but for some reason all the same-silence )))

Using the term generation is not something that is possible-now it is one of the main options, and this is logical, generation is a multi-valued word, but in the context of describing the life of the same social insects, it is very easy to distinguish when they talk about generations, and when they talk about brood generations.
So logic just suggests that it is possible, and it is generally accepted (the latter does not mean "true", but it is nevertheless important in such cases)

29.07.2015 16:09, ИНО

Think what you will, and it is not comme il faut for me to beat against the walls in vain attempts to prove something to you. It's still an impossible task, because you exist independently of reality. I gave you one link and that's enough.

29.07.2015 16:42, Hierophis

Ezooks ))) I don't pretend to be a bioscientist, so calm down, sleep, and don't toss and turn lol.gif

In general, the drain is counted.

And by the way, generation, which you, like Chonyi, must know, is not "generation" but a word equivalent to the concept of "generation" or something like that. Poiskhozhdenie, if that, this word is Latin, "generator" is that generalizer, it turns out? lol.gif

and in English. That's what it is

29.07.2015 18:12, ИНО

Wow, how your logic was inverted! Why on earth should I? You can also tell me that I created this topic. For my scientific work, the recommendations of Radchenko and Pesenko are quite enough, and you go crazy in any way, no one forbids it.

29.07.2015 20:41, Hierophis

Ezooks! You're scaring me)) You gave a link to the monograph, do you know how it differs from the article? )
Do you derive synonymy of terms from the monograph for the entire surrounding continuum (tm) ? ))

29.07.2015 22:42, ИНО

Roma, you're having another flare-up. And yesterday I was, like, in remission. Something, I don't like such a high frequency of fluctuations in your mental state. I, of course, unlike you, in psychiatry is not strong, maybe something confused.

Where did you get that definition? Again, by the way, without a link to the source. But if you look closely, it becomes obvious that the source is from the field of sociology. This can be seen from the very first line: "Generation is a multi-valued term that denotes different aspects of the age structure and history of society." And it is not the social hymenoptera that we are referring to. So in sociology, a cohort is sometimes called a generation, like the "pepsi generation". But we are talking about terminology in the field of biology. Can you tell the difference? So, if we touch on the area of scientific and technological progress, then there the generation will be defined in general differently, because the hardware does not have children.

However, thank you for this quote, so my memory has not changed, the term "cohort" is also used. But all the same, "brood" is more to my liking - simpler, clearer and more in Russian.

This post was edited by ENO-29.07.2015 22: 43

29.07.2015 23:18, Hierophis

Listen, Carl lol.gif

I have already repeated many times - the essence of this whole thing, it is very simple - such phrases as "generation of brood", "1, 2, 3 generation of os"," number of generations of workers.. " are well - established, and they are quite sufficient to describe acc. events are used in the literature, and are quite logical.

Your argument is clear in principle. But apparently, she is very lonely smile.gif

And just so you know, brood in biology is already a reserved term, I looked up in a paper dictionarywink.gif This term means offspring that live with their parents before starting independent life. It's not very suitable for the purposes you mentioned, to put it mildly. The author of the monograph at least also looked into the encyclopedia)))
Generation is a separate term in Russian-language biology that describes the essence of offspring generation in general, and it is not suitable for these purposes.
Cohort is the most appropriate term, but it is really a sociological term, and it is not used in biology for some reason.

So that's it, it remains just "generation" as a completely acceptable option. Science

30.07.2015 6:59, ИНО

30.07.2015 7:25, rhopalocera.com

Oh my God...

30.07.2015 14:18, Hierophis

I will be lonely after Radcheko and Pesenko to use the term "brood"when writing articles

Use it, just look, curb your gas station, otherwise it will be in your articles something like
"the first geek differs from the next with lighter mandibles" lol.gif

Where did you see the word cohort, I hope you remembered? I then yes, I forgot something, but you seem to have a memory on the 7 / 8th in general otshiblo wink.gif

30.07.2015 20:22, ИНО

So why should I remember, you yourself pointed out the author in the next topic. Or had he forgotten that, too? I specifically checked the chronology of your posts here and there before writing this answer.

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