Identification of beetles (Coleoptera)

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09.11.2014 7:21, Oldcatcher

"Green" is not a determinant at all, so, make fun of it. Reviews of individual genera by A.V. Puchkov are now published in Russian, and some of them have definitions. tables may help. In general, than they suffer with determinants in Russian, imho, it's better to memorize languages, even if there will be some benefit. This is where you'll get the opportunity to work with b. m. smart tables.

Don't rush your horses, my dear! Remember when it came out and was it easy to get the necessary literature in those years???????? I could wait 9-10 months for individual books or articles through the MBA..... It fulfilled its "global guide" function, and even now it performs the "privet key" function. There are a lot of questions to it, but yes and answers during its release... It just wasn't there!

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09.11.2014 14:12, stierlyz

Well, at one time green-it was for many simply the only thing available. Although in terms of quality, he lost even to Jacobson and Fauna Germanica, about contemporary publications (for example, Die Kaefer) I'm already silent. It was made lousy, both for objective (volume restrictions, lack of specialists) and subjective reasons. In my opinion, working with him at least slowed down the development of many entomologists. In any case, this is in the past, now there is plenty of literature. Personally, I take a trigger from the shelf to start with, it's also not a fountain, it annoys bilingualism, but it's quite suitable. And I strongly advise all beginners not to get hung up on green, but to take something higher, even if it involves expenses, hassle, language learning, etc . - it's worth it.

09.11.2014 16:54, Oldcatcher

Well, at one time green-it was for many simply the only thing available. Although in terms of quality, he lost even to Jacobson and Fauna Germanica, about contemporary publications (for example, Die Kaefer) I'm already silent. It was made lousy, both for objective (volume restrictions, lack of specialists) and subjective reasons. In my opinion, working with him at least slowed down the development of many entomologists. In any case, this is in the past, now there is plenty of literature. Personally, I take a trigger from the shelf to start with, it's also not a fountain, it annoys bilingualism, but it's quite suitable. And I strongly advise all beginners not to get hung up on green, but to take something higher, even if it involves expenses, hassle, language learning, etc.-it's worth it.

For that matter, it also lost to the determinants of the Fauna of the USSR, some republican determinants, and so on. More importantly , it was a start in serious entomology. And then it all depended on the person - he either did not go deeper and as a result became an entomologist or got stuck. But this effect was also on the Plavilshchikov determinant and on the school insect determinant...
I'll ask you again: when did Volume 2 come out? How old were you?"
The problems are not limited in scope or lack of specialists (although there are always not enough of them!), but in the weak research of many territories, the lack of revisions for many groups, and, often, a misunderstanding of the place of the species and higher taxa in taxonomy! This was especially true for families with numerous species... Or by combining 200 or more species into a single genus. The keys became bulky, clumsy, and double-legible! There was also a lack of comparative material. The ZIN collection, the Zoomuseum, and the Department of Entomology at Moscow State University were not enough to make an accurate description. What can I say, the entomofauna of many republics was at the rudimentary stage of study. Want some examples? I have them. I don't want to flood right now.
But despite the severity of the situation, green was a good help and a real step for many entomologists, both professionals and collectors! And take the liberty of admitting that this is the case. It's just that your formation took place during a period when there was more literature and it became more accessible... And what were we supposed to do, the generation that got caught up in insects in the early ' 70s????? And access to literature was very limited.... Fauna, determinants of Fauna, Entomological review.... Another couple of regional collections and magazines and.... Everything.... The rest of the MBA and wait.....

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