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Identification of Lepidoptera (Butterflies and Moths)

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06.08.2006 20:11, Pavel Morozov

to CTPAHHUK: this is a caterpillar of the odorous woodworm (Cossus cossus)
link to it: http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?bf=162

06.08.2006 20:21, CTPAHHUK

If you can't help me , what should I do with him (or her)?. and then picked up a foundling, and what to feed do not know )) just like in the photos on request in Google )
or throw it out as an uninteresting instance? ))

06.08.2006 20:34, sealor

Morozzz, thank you!
CTPAHHUK, in principle, kossus is quite an interesting exeplar, you don't often meet it, especially a butterfly. In general, the caterpillar feeds on wood and usually lives in old willow trees. But I often heard that you can give her apples, pears, she eats them with pleasure.

06.08.2006 21:58, CTPAHHUK

maybe kanesh was stressed - but she refused to eat apples.. they threw a piece of wood, a lettuce leaf, and she wrapped herself up in all this and only sometimes twists her head. right now like to sleep collapsed )) okay, I feel it's time to create a topic ) about kossus and two amateur entomologists)

06.08.2006 22:25, Vlad Proklov

maybe kanesh was stressed - but she refused to eat apples.. they threw a piece of wood, a lettuce leaf, and she wrapped herself up in all this and only sometimes twists her head. right now like to sleep collapsed )) okay, I feel it's time to create a topic ) about kossus and two amateur entomologists )


The fact that you found it "on the street" means that it has eaten its fill and is now going to pupate.

06.08.2006 22:48, sealor

The fact that you found it "on the street" means that it has eaten its fill and is now going to pupate.


According to the description of the caterpillar's behavior, it looks like this. But not the fact that any caterpillar of kossus crawls out for pupation, or even so-I think they rarely crawl out for pupation at all, their cocoons are found under the bark right on the forage tree. It's just that very often these caterpillars migrate, and at any age, then they are usually picked up. Although I haven't seen any migrating caterpillars yet.

06.08.2006 22:58, Vlad Proklov

According to the description of the caterpillar's behavior, it looks like this. But not the fact that any caterpillar of kossus crawls out for pupation, or even so-I think they rarely crawl out for pupation at all, their cocoons are found under the bark right on the forage tree. It's just that very often these caterpillars migrate, and at any age, then they are usually picked up. Although I haven't seen any migrating caterpillars yet.

I've studied English books, and the English people write with one voice that they just crawl out for pupation. They write that they pupate in sawdust, but not inside wood. Moreover, in the already woven cocoon, the caterpillar overwinters for the last time, and pupates only in the spring.

07.08.2006 6:09, sealor

The cocoon of cossus that I found in early spring was under the bark, not inside the wood, but not outside the tree either. The caterpillar or pupa was there, I don't know, because I didn't open it, but after I brought it home, no one came out except the butterfly, that is, if the caterpillar was there, it also pupated there.
There were also cases when crawling small caterpillars were found, which were not yet up to pupation, and they lived even after that.
And in our literature, I have not seen any descriptions.

07.08.2006 11:16, Vжик

We continue the epic with kossus. I found here that breeding this particular butterfly has been a problem for a long time. But then Russian scientists came up with an original method. The caterpillar, ready for pupation, is placed in half of the bread, from which the crumb was previously removed. Cover the top with the second half and tie it with a rope. In spring, a butterfly nibbles through bread.
Well, has anyone ever done that? And then it's a pity this monster))))

07.08.2006 18:36, Pavel Morozov

We continue the epic with kossus. I found here that breeding this particular butterfly has been a problem for a long time. But then Russian scientists came up with an original method. The caterpillar, ready for pupation, is placed in half of the bread, from which the crumb was previously removed. Cover the top with the second half and tie it with a rope. In spring, a butterfly nibbles through bread.
Well, has anyone ever done that? And then it's a pity this monster))))

Gorgeous, Afftar zhzhot!
Where does the data come from?
Try it, it's very interesting, just in case it really works out. smile.gif

09.08.2006 16:15, guest: Doof

Still have a question on Hesperiidae, I can't exactly identify these butterflies. I will be grateful for your help!

http://nature.doublea.ru/pix/tolstogolovka1.jpg
http://nature.doublea.ru/pix/tolstogolovka2.jpg
http://nature.doublea.ru/pix/tolstogolovka3.jpg

09.08.2006 16:16, guest: Doof

All butterflies were taken in the Moscow smile.gifregion

09.08.2006 16:47, Vlad Proklov

All the butterflies were shot in the Moscow region smile.gif

The first two are dashes (Thymelicus lineola). In the male, the androconial spot is characteristically small, and in the second photo, the underparts are monotonous (in Th. sylvestris, the difference between red and greenish is clearer).

On the third-forest (Ochlodes faunus [= sylvanus]).

This post was edited by kotbegemot-09.08.2006 16: 48

09.08.2006 17:00, guest: Doof

Thank you very much! Now it's more or less clear...

10.08.2006 13:07, BO.

butterfly ~1cm. I flew into the light.Help me determine it.
Astrakhan region.

Pictures:
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16.08.2006 17:26, guest: Doof

Some kind of dustpan, can you tell me more precisely? Filmed in the Moscow region.

http://nature.doublea.ru/pix/sovka1.jpg

16.08.2006 18:00, guest: Doof

No, it's more like a firebox

16.08.2006 18:16, Pavel Morozov

firefly Udea lutealis, apparently.

16.08.2006 18:19, Vlad Proklov

Some kind of dustpan, can you tell me more precisely? Filmed in the Moscow region.

http://nature.doublea.ru/pix/sovka1.jpg


This is the Udea lutealis firebox.

16.08.2006 19:47, guest: Doof

Morozzz:
kotbegemot:

Thank you, it is!

17.08.2006 12:50, Alexander Zarodov

Greetings to all! Decided to register smile.gif

This is probably some kind of moth, but I couldn't determine which one exactly... Filmed in the Moscow region.

http://nature.doublea.ru/pix/pyad1.jpg

This post was edited by Double A-17.08.2006 12: 51

17.08.2006 20:34, A-net-a

Gentlemen, I apologize in advance for the quality of the drawing, I didn't have a camera at hand at that time, and I'm not much of an artist. But maybe experts will be able to determine what kind of butterfly it is. I saw it on the border of the Ivanovo and Vladimir regions.
I really want to know when it is possible to"hunt" with a photo gun

Pictures:
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17.08.2006 21:22, sealor

Double A, this is not a speck, rather a fire, but this is what, I did not find such a one at home...
A-net-a, I think it was Arctia festiva, right?

17.08.2006 21:32, Vlad Proklov

Greetings to all! Decided to register smile.gif

This is probably some kind of moth, but I couldn't determine which one exactly... Filmed in the Moscow region.

http://nature.doublea.ru/pix/pyad1.jpg


This is the currant moth (Eulithis prunata).
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17.08.2006 21:33, Pavel Morozov

to Double A: This is the real moth Eulithis prunata

to A-net-a: Your drawing resembles a hawk moth. here is a link to it http://tpittaway.tripod.com/sphinx/s_oce.htm

to sealor: Arctia festiva is unlikely to live on the border of the Vladimir and Ivanovo regions.
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17.08.2006 21:33, Vlad Proklov

Gentlemen, I apologize in advance for the quality of the drawing, I didn't have a camera at hand at that time, and I'm not much of an artist. But maybe experts will be able to determine what kind of butterfly it is. I saw it on the border of the Ivanovo and Vladimir regions.
I really want to know when it is possible to"hunt" with a photo gun


The drawing, of course, is great!; P

Maybe an ocular hawk moth (Smerinthus ocellatus)?

17.08.2006 21:46, sealor

I also thought about the eye-shaped hawk moth, but the pattern is very different smile.gifOnly the location of the wings from the hawk moth. And the color of the front (for some reason here the rear)wings are more like bears.

We also have such moths, but they have such an appearance that I considered them fireworms and did not pay much attention...

18.08.2006 10:02, Nilson

2 A-net-a
Most likely, it is a hawk moth, if the front wingspan is really about 10 cm. Which one is it? It is difficult to say: ocular (Smerinthus ocellata) - most similar, maybe bindweed (Agrius convolvuli) and lilac (Sphinx ligusri).

18.08.2006 15:38, Pavel Morozov

2 A-net-a
Most likely, it is a hawk moth, if the front wingspan is really about 10 cm. Which one is it? It is difficult to say: ocular (Smerinthus ocellata) - most similar, maybe bindweed (Agrius convolvuli) and lilac (Sphinx ligusri).


Well, colleagues, the combination of pink and blue on the hind wings of the mid - band hawk moth can only be seen in two species-the ocular one (Smerinthus ocellatus) and the blind one (Smerinthus caecus). There is also a characteristic brown spot on the pronotum.
In general, despite the "symbolism of this illustration" in the butterfly, a representative of the genus Smerinthus is guessed.

This post was edited by Morozzz - 18.08.2006 15: 41

18.08.2006 19:54, sealor

Please help me identify these scoops:

Pictures:
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18.08.2006 20:16, Vlad Proklov

Please help me identify these scoops:


1) Mythimna vitellina.
2) Mythimna albipuncta, sort of.
About the others - very preliminary identification:
3) Either Agrochola sp., or Orthosia sp. (of these, at least cerasi seems to fly not only in the spring).
4) Helicoverpa armigera (?).

18.08.2006 20:44, sealor

Thank you, the first one I was also more inclined to vitellina, but the second one I think can be Pseudaletia unipuncta, if they have a certain variability?
Although on the other hand, I identified this scoop as Pseudaletia unipuncta:
Very different indeed
picture: Untitled.jpg

The third one is flying in large numbers now. In general, it was considered orthosia gracilis, but something does not look much like...
The fourth one is also quite similar to Armiger's pictures and drawings.

This post was edited by sealor - 18.08.2006 20: 47

18.08.2006 20:50, Vlad Proklov

Thank you, the first one I was also more inclined to vitellina, but the second one I think can be Pseudaletia unipuncta, if they have a certain variability?
Although on the other hand, I identified this scoop as Pseudaletia unipuncta:
Very different
indeed...

The third one is flying in large numbers now. In general, it was considered orthosia gracilis, but something does not look much like...
The fourth one is also quite similar to Armiger's pictures and drawings.


In general, unipuncta is different, you can't confuse a normal instance with anything. The butterfly doesn't seem to be broken, so it's not unipuncta, no...

Update: Just noticed another picture. This is also not unipuncta. This one looks like obsoleta. Or a light copy of ferrago.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 18.08.2006 20: 56

18.08.2006 21:22, sealor

Yes, interesting scoops are now flying...
And here's a picture from last year, 050605, it's not c-nigrum, maybe it's Xestia triangulum?

Pictures:
picture: Untitled.jpg
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18.08.2006 21:24, Vlad Proklov

Yes, interesting scoops are now flying...
And here's a picture from last year, 050605, it's not c-nigrum, maybe it's Xestia triangulum?


And this is not Xestia at all smile.gif

This is Ochropleura (Basistriga) flammatra.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 18.08.2006 21: 29

20.08.2006 19:46, sealor

Thanks! Now you can "select a new species" from a long-standing collection smile.gif
And here's another scoop from yesterday, and a weevil flew in.

Pictures:
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picture: coleopt.jpg
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21.08.2006 1:23, Vlad Proklov

Thanks! Now you can "select a new species" from a long-standing collection smile.gif
And here's another scoop from yesterday, and a weevil flew in.


I don't even take the weevil, maybe it's a fruitworm of some kind. And I found a scoop: this is Mycteroplus puniceago.

21.08.2006 7:48, sealor

Weevil of course yes, it's hard to determine, just maybe someone will be interested. And for the scoop, thank you very much! I have no mention of such a scoop, only in the lists of butterflies of the Crimea, and there are no pictures.
As for the scoop, which looks like a ferrago, I was told that it has a brush of black hair at the bottom of the joint of the abdomen with the chest. so the one in the picture does not have such a brush. Maybe this brush isn't necessarily black?

21.08.2006 8:01, Vlad Proklov

Weevil of course yes, it's hard to determine, just maybe someone will be interested. And for the scoop, thank you very much! I have no mention of such a scoop, only in the lists of butterflies of the Crimea, and there are no pictures.
As for the scoop, which looks like a ferrago, I was told that it has a brush of black hair at the bottom of the joint of the abdomen with the chest. so the one in the picture does not have such a brush. Maybe this brush isn't necessarily black?


Ferrago, as far as I know, always has a black brush. Apparently, a different view. As I have already written, it is similar to obsolete, but I did not catch this type myself.

And this puniceago is found almost all over Ukraine, except only in the most northern regions and the western part. Surprisingly, there are practically no photos of her on the web. On the website of E. Berlov only there is. It's all very strange smile.gif

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 08/21/2006 08: 03

21.08.2006 8:32, Bad Den

The weevil is interesting, but it's hard to tell from the photo what kind of species it is. Although, in the 2nd volume of the "Determinant of insects of the European part of the USSR" it should be.

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