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05.06.2018 22:34, Andrey Ponomarev

Moscow region, Poplar 4.06.2018
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05.06.2018 23:48, chebur

Is it possible to identify these photo companions?
All were born on May 12, 2018 in the Chekhov district of the Moscow region.
1. Wingspan-17mm
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2. Wingspan-16mm
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3. WINGSPAN-17mm
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06.06.2018 1:28, MiLLeNium Niobius

June 3, Tula region.
1. Is it Hypomecis punctinalis or roboraria? It is large enough for moths, with a span of ~5-5. 5 cm. Forest plantation near railway tracks.
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2. I can't identify this one either, it was taken on the same day on the outskirts of a field near a forest belt.
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This post was edited by InsideOfDream - 06.06.2018 01: 29

06.06.2018 1:36, Vlad Proklov

June 3, Tula region.
1. Is it Hypomecis punctinalis or roboraria? It is large enough for moths, with a span of ~5-5. 5 cm. Forest plantation near railway tracks.

1-H. roboraria, look at the discal spot of the hindwings, in this species it is blind.

2 - Cyclophora albipunctaria
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06.06.2018 2:01, vidjl

Moscow region, Poplar 4.06.2018

Here is Cucullia chamomillae
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06.06.2018 7:07, Сергей-Д

1-H. roboraria, look at the discal spot of the hindwings, in this species it is blind.

On the right wing-punctinalis wink.gif
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06.06.2018 8:37, svm2

punctinalis not only on spots
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06.06.2018 8:46, svm2

Is it possible to identify these photo companions?
All were born on May 12, 2018 in the Chekhov district of the Moscow region.


1-with a high probability of E.virgaureata
2,3-there is nothing to say here, we can only assume that it is the same
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06.06.2018 14:38, Andrey Ponomarev

This is Cucullia chamomillae

Finally. jump.gif

06.06.2018 17:40, Ilia Ustiantcev

At last. jump.gif


Here I do not see chamomillae here, it should be with red-yellow areas, and in the photo there are just scuffs and the usual lucifuga.

06.06.2018 18:51, Alexandr Zhakov

Here I do not see chamomillae here, it should be with reddish-yellow areas, and in the photo there are just scuffs and the usual lucifuga.

Something in my worldview, it somehow does not fit in chamomillae, I just don't know lucifuga very well.

06.06.2018 19:01, Ilia Ustiantcev

Something in my worldview, it somehow does not fit in chamomillae, I just don't know lucifuga very well.


This is such a scum that is not umbratica, and banal, and unlike it is similar to many other hoods. For example, we can still theoretically come across campanulae, but how to distinguish it - XS.

This post was edited by Ilya U-06.06.2018 19: 01

06.06.2018 19:35, vidjl

Here I do not see chamomillae here, it should be with reddish-yellow areas, and in the photo there are just scuffs and the usual lucifuga.

You just probably caught a little of them, I'm talking about reddish fields on the wings, some chamomillae may not have them at all, as well as some lucifuga are strongly covered with reddish flecks. The distinctive features are not in this, but in the specificity of the pattern, venation, the location of medial lines on the upper wings, and their transition to the marginal wells. I see chamomillae, of course the straightened butterfly is better defined, but I don't think I was wrong, having more than a hundred of them in the collection, and those and those.

06.06.2018 20:26, Andrey Ponomarev

You just probably caught a little of them, I'm talking about reddish fields on the wings, some chamomillae may not have them at all, as well as some lucifuga are strongly covered with reddish flecks. The distinctive features are not in this, but in the specificity of the pattern, venation, the location of medial lines on the upper wings, and their transition to the marginal wells. I see chamomillae, of course the straightened butterfly is better defined, but I don't think I was wrong, having more than a hundred of them in the collection, both of them.

The butterfly is assembled, it remains to wait until it is spread out.
On the same day, two more similar females were collected, let's see what happens.

The post was edited by Gennadich - 06.06.2018 20: 38
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06.06.2018 21:50, Елизавета Рысенкова

Please help me identify the butterfly.

Tver region, Kuvshinovsky district, Borzini village May
27, 2018
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06.06.2018 22:07, Ilia Ustiantcev

Drepana falcataria
Another so broken butterfly would simply not be determined)
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06.06.2018 22:25, chebur

Could someone take a look at my Moscow micra from the last page? I would be very grateful for any ideas on its specific affiliation.

06.06.2018 23:17, Sergey Rybalkin

Please help me determine the scoop from the Astrakhan region, Akhtubinsk
6.06.2018
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17SCNDoTjuZ...ew?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x8XVFigfx2...ew?usp=drivesdk

06.06.2018 23:36, Ilia Ustiantcev

Could someone take a look at my Moscow micra from the last page? I would be very grateful for any ideas on its specific affiliation.


Crambus lathoniellus
Glyphipterix simpliciella
Celypha lacunana
Ancylis badiana
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07.06.2018 0:15, Shamil Murtazin

Кармаскалинский район, Республика Башкортостан, 05.06.2018

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07.06.2018 0:32, Vlad Proklov

Кармаскалинский район, Республика Башкортостан, 05.06.2018

Morophaga choragella
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07.06.2018 2:09, vidjl

Please help me determine the scoop from the Astrakhan region, Akhtubinsk
6.06.2018

The first link I have does not open, the second - the upper scoop - Hoplodrina blanda; middle-Spaelotis ravida
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07.06.2018 2:14, Vlad Proklov

The first link I have does not open, the second - the upper scoop - Hoplodrina blanda; middle-Spaelotis ravida

Well, the third one is Pericyma albidentaria =)
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07.06.2018 2:25, Vlad Proklov

This is such a scum that is not umbratica, and banal, and unlike it is similar to many other hoods. For example, we can still theoretically come across campanulae, but how to distinguish it - XS.

There is a legend that lucifuga usually has a dark triangle behind the "hood" - that is, for other species, it is necessary to take specimens with an evenly colored pronotum for cooking.

This post was edited by kotbegemot - 07.06.2018 02: 26
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07.06.2018 9:59, Alexandr Zhakov

I see chamomillae, of course the straightened butterfly is better defined, but I don't think I was wrong, having more than a hundred of them in the collection, both of them.

And where is the confidence that they are correctly identified? There should be a percentage of errors on instances without fringe.

07.06.2018 10:03, Ilia Ustiantcev

And where is the confidence that they are correctly identified? There should be a percentage of errors on instances without fringe.


I would like to look at the rear fenders of all the disputed specimens and at Gennadich's too, there seems to be a sign planned, not too reliable,but something can be said.

07.06.2018 10:16, Alexandr Zhakov

The most reliable sign for Cucullia chamomillae is the black strokes between the veins extending to the fringe, no other species in Europe has this. On the lower ones, it is also possible, but with females it is difficult. smile.gif
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07.06.2018 10:26, Ilia Ustiantcev

The most reliable sign for Cucullia chamomillae is the black strokes between the veins extending to the fringe, no other species in Europe has this. On the lower ones, it is also possible, but with females it is difficult. smile.gif


Intrigued, such strokes here I see or not? The specimen is signed as lucifuga, and the date is already July 26, which seems a bit late for chamomillae.

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This post was edited by Ilya U-07.06.2018 10: 32

07.06.2018 10:45, Alexandr Zhakov

That's right, it's not chamomillae.
Here is a small collage of photos from http://www.lepiforum.de
chamomillae-lucifuga, clearly visible strokes that go out on the fringe.
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07.06.2018 11:05, svm2

http://perhoset.nettitieto.fi/historia/cuc...cuculliinae.htm
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07.06.2018 12:29, vafdog

  http://perhoset.nettitieto.fi/historia/cuc...cuculliinae.htm

This is the only page on the site dedicated to butterflies? I don't understand what kind of site it is and where the main page is

This post was edited by vafdog - 07.06.2018 12: 30

07.06.2018 12:30, vidjl

And where is the confidence that they are correctly identified? There should be a percentage of errors on instances without fringe.

I cooked and checked the visual definition, then I stopped cooking, because it already became clear, I consulted my colleagues in Novosibirsk, brought some of them there, made a mistake in two out of 30, turned out to be the third type. So far, everything is fine.

The most reliable sign for Cucullia chamomillae is the black strokes between the veins extending to the fringe, no other species in Europe has this. On the lower ones, it is also possible, but with females it is difficult. smile.gif

There are not only strokes, but also marginal wells, which in chamomillae are not pronounced, or are completely absent, then the upper wings are not convex at the top, but cut off, and the lower wings are more difficult.

07.06.2018 12:32, svm2

This is the only page on the site dedicated to butterflies? I don't understand what kind of site it is and where the main page is

http://perhoset.nettitieto.fi/sps_suomen_perhoset.htm
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07.06.2018 12:50, vidjl

You can also see clearly here.
http://www.entomologia.hu/noctaust/

This post was edited by vidjl - 07.06.2018 13: 47

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07.06.2018 13:53, Alexandr Zhakov

So far, everything is fine.
There are not only strokes, but also marginal wells, which in chamomillae are not pronounced, or are completely absent, then the upper wings are not convex at the top, but cut off, and the lower wings are more difficult.

Everyone sees their own things. smile.gif Only an autopsy will reveal the correct diagnosis. The butterfly is very worn, even straightening, I think, will not give 100% confidence. In terms of phenology, it's too late for chamomillae, but it's too early for lucifuga, so fly around.
Let's see the straightened one.

07.06.2018 15:08, vidjl

Everyone sees their own things. smile.gif Only an autopsy will reveal the correct diagnosis. The butterfly is very worn, even straightening, I think, will not give 100% confidence. In terms of phenology, it's too late for chamomillae, but it's too early for lucifuga, so fly around.
Let's see the straightened one.

I agree. smile.gif This year, the timing of summer was also postponed due to weather anomalies, especially noticeable for Siberia, and in the Moscow region there were frosts and snow.

07.06.2018 15:28, ярослав

Help with the definition.Orenburg, the surrounding area to the light.18.05.2018г.

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07.06.2018 16:07, Sergeyy

Help with the whiteflies.
Belarus. Minsk region.

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07.06.2018 16:47, Alexandr Zhakov

Help with the whiteflies.
Belarus. Minsk region.

Pieris napi
3. ♀
1. ♂
2. ♀♂
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07.06.2018 17:30, ярослав

Orenburg region, Pavlovka village, Orenburg district, 2 kilometers north of the village, in the lowlands of Balki, steppe, 5.06.2018, wingspan 25 mm.Carcharodus orientalis?

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