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Definition of ground beetles of the genus Carabus

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21.10.2008 15:46, bugslov

Well, then who is it? Starkianus or Reuteri?
Zap. Abkhazia 30.09.08 mountain forest.
The size is solid 37 mm.

This post was edited by bugslov - 21.10.2008 15: 47

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21.10.2008 15:51, bugslov

Mr. rpanin, share a secret, how do you get such cool photos?

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21.10.2008 17:27, rpanin

Mr. rpanin, share a secret, how do you get such cool photos?


http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=264902&st=0
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21.10.2008 18:33, Nilson

Well, then who is it? Starkianus or Reuteri?
Zap. Abkhazia 30.09.08 mountain forest.
The size is solid 37 mm.


These are the Archiplectes reitteri
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23.10.2008 17:33, bugslov

Abkhazians: caught 8 km North-east of Tsandrypsha (Gantiadi) in a mountain forest, late September 2007
1. Carabus (Sphodristocarabus) janthinus Ganglbauer. картинка: Carabus__Sphodristocarabus__janthinus_Ganglbauer..jpg
2. Carabus (Megodontus) septemcarinatus Motschulskyкартинка: Carabus__Megodontus__septemcarinatus_Motschulsky.jpg

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23.10.2008 23:02, RippeR

1,2 seems to be true, about the 3rd I can't say about the subspecies, but the view is correct ^_^
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24.10.2008 10:38, bugslov

In zine said that colchicus
missed with the message, it is lost in procerus shuffle.gif

This post was edited by bugslov - 24.10.2008 11: 51

24.10.2008 20:30, Nilson

Dear colleagues, maybe someone has thoughts or information about this bug? Apparently, this is A. shcrenckii, but what kind of subspecies?
Caught on the island of.Popova pod Vladivostok, 29. VI. 2008

This post was edited by Nilson - 24.10.2008 20: 41

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24.10.2008 20:39, RippeR

Neil:
I think there's only 1 known subspecies of Shrenki from DV at the moment. It is very possible that this subspecies has not been described or described recently, or was previously known only somewhere in China.. I've already heard about the subspecies of shrenki, but I couldn't find any information myself.

a little off topic.. But who can say anything about Neoplectes - how rare are they, what do they represent..???? Especially the Martinovi subspecies??
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27.10.2008 11:46, Alexandr Rusinov

Only one subspecies is actually listed in the list of Russian carabids on the ZIN website. But there is another one in the atlas on the same site. Here is information from there:
"Carabus (Acoptolabrus) schrencki hauryi Gehin, 1885
Male: Russia, south of Primorsky Krai.

This is a rather problematic form of Carabus.
C. schrencki hauryi Geh., which differs from the nominative subspecies in its dull bronze-brown coloration, more closely resembling the Sakhalin endemic C. lopatini Mor., was described from the Amur River, but I do not know this form from materials from either the Amur River or the mainland Primorye. In fact, it lives only on the Rimsky-Korsakov Islands, located in Peter the Great Bay, 70 km south of Vladivostok."
In my opinion, the photo placed there is very similar to your copies. However, perhaps this subspecies has already been deposed, because it is not included in the general list of carabids of Russia...
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27.10.2008 12:06, Cerega

Unfortunately, it was not possible to collect the material on the territory of the Far Eastern Marine Reserve, which is where the Rimsky-Korsakov Islands are located. But on the islands near Vladivostok (Russian, Popova, Reinicke, Rickard) came across specimens only with this color. All specimens were collected under the canopy of the forest, on the islands it is, of course, impoverished, but still a forest.

27.10.2008 23:18, Aleksandr Safronov

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04.11.2008 17:49, Bad Den

And I have a mess with Altai here smile.gif
Please help me in any way you can mol.gif
So, first of all, Shebalinsky district, Kamlak village, 26. VI. 2008

This species I have on Shilenkov (Ground beetles of the genus Carabus L. (Coleoptera, Carabidae) of Southern Siberia) does not want to go on the table. There do not seem to be any bristle-bearing pores on the submentum (or the bristles have fallen out), but at the same time the mandibles are straight along the inner edge, with curved tops:

Kamlak_1
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Who is regalis and who is henningi confused.gif
Kamlak_2
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Kamlak_3
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Further - Chemalsky district, Ust-Sema village, 26. VI. 2008
Ust_Sema_1
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Ust_Sema_2
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Ust_Sema_3
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Ust_Sema_4
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Finally, Ozernoye village, 27. VI. 2008
Ozernoe_1
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Ozernoe_2 - this is arvensis (something I became suspicioussmile.gif)?
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04.11.2008 20:03, bugslov

Very similar to my regailis

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04.11.2008 20:46, RippeR

1st is similar to henning
last one in my opinion too, arvensis
2-4 possibly regalis jenissoni
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04.11.2008 20:55, Dorcadion

About the first I agree with the Ripper, then 2 regalis, then 1,2,4 also regalis, 3rd is similar to heningi, then sympathetic regalis and arvensis conciliator..... like this shuffle.gif
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05.11.2008 1:16, RippeR

Ust_Sema_3
is indeed similar to henning
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09.11.2008 11:39, guest: amateur

Dear Karabusyatniki!
If anyone knows, please tell me if it is possible without a photo and a clear description-
what kind of ground beetles in the tundra (forest tundra, North. taiga) of the European part of the Russian Federation has the following characteristics:
the proportions of a normal ground beetle may be more agonistic and longer-legged than large species (brilliant, Ermaka),
blue above (without other shades) shiny, elytra in microscopic longitudinal striation, bright yellow stripe around the edge of the elytra, the abdomen below is black, the legs are red (or yellowish-brown)?
Very elegant Carabus, unfortunately there is no photo.
By color, as if C. aurolimbatus turns out, but it does not live in the tundra, although this one ran near the water on the ground, and the fauna of the floodplain of a large river may not correspond to the zone.
Thank you in advance

10.11.2008 18:14, Albatus

Dear experts of the genus Carabus, help us identify this animal, size-35mm, label:
N. PAKISTAN
Punjab reg., Muree
11.07.2008

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10.11.2008 19:12, Aleksandr Safronov

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10.11.2008 19:21, Aleksandr Safronov

Dear Karabusyatniki!
If anyone knows, please tell me if it is possible without a photo and a clear description-
what kind of ground beetles in the tundra (forest tundra, North. taiga) of the European part of the Russian Federation has the following characteristics:
the proportions of a normal ground beetle may be more agonistic and longer-legged than large species (brilliant, Ermaka),
blue above (without other shades) shiny, elytra in microscopic longitudinal striation, bright yellow stripe around the edge of the elytra, the abdomen below is black, the legs are red (or yellowish-brown)?
Very elegant Carabus, unfortunately there is no photo.
By color, as if C. aurolimbatus turns out, but it does not live in the tundra, although this one ran near the water on the ground, and the fauna of the floodplain of a large river may not correspond to the zone.
Thank you in advance

Using this description, it's unlikely that you can tell us anything useful. Tell us at least the geographical area, height, biotope, and size of the beetle. They can even be beetles from different subgenera (Megodontus, Aulonocarabus, Morphocarabus). confused.gif

11.11.2008 8:25, guest: amateur

Dear forum participants,
I read my last appeal and thought that it was reckless on the part of an amateur guest and could confuse specialists in their question, perhaps with academic degrees, with merits, perhaps older people. If so, I apologize, I didn't mean to offend anyone and I didn't mean anything disrespectful.
According to the blue ground beetle with a gold border, I can add the following::the total length is about 16-18 mm (although this is the north, and the size probably may not be typical), the zone is Bolshezemelskaya shrub tundra, rather large-grained, with heights of 40-100 m. Biotope-floodplain of the river, on the slopes of willow, high yernik (juniper there already seems to have been no) moss, mixed grasses, closer to the water, too, willow, apparently with mixed grasses (the grass has not risen - the snow has not yet completely descended). Place - a narrow strip of silty, viscous soil deposited by the flood on top of rocks near the water.

11.11.2008 9:12, Bad Den

amateur, no hard feelings smile.gif
it's just that sometimes you can't really identify insects from the photo, but from the description it's even more difficult smile.gif

Try to view it here?
http://www.carabidae.ru/foto/thumbnails.php?album=61

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11.11.2008 9:32, Aleksandr Safronov

Dear Amateur, Still, without a photo , it's more like guessing from coffee grounds. If this is Carabus, then in my opinion the following options are possible:
- Carabus (Aulonocarabus) truncaticollis ssp. polaris Poppius, 1905
- Carabus (Morphocarabus) odoratus ssp. septentrionalis Breuning, 1932
- Carabus (Morphocarabus) henningi ssp. oviformis Beheim & Breuning, 1943
Carabus (Megodontus) vietinghoffi ssp. vietinghoffi Adams, 1812-unlikely. His size is too small for him, and his legs are black. Here's what I can do ... smile.gif
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12.11.2008 8:29, guest: amateur

In the album, according to the link suggested by BadDen, only vietienghoffi vietienghoffi is unambiguously similar in proportions and color to the four proposed Entalex species.
An additional argument – the yellow edges were also on the edge of the shield. I saw the beetle "during the day", but almost at dusk (about 24 hours), which is probably why it looked blue, with yellow around the edge without shades, and not as iridescent as in the photo. And the iridescence is probably only visible when magnified.
I don't remember the size exactly, maybe it was one or two mm larger.
About black and red legs-last year on Kolguev Island, out of several identical beetles caught simultaneously in one place, some had black legs, others had red ones (I would attach a photo, but I haven't figured out how to place photos in the text yet).
To the participants of the discussion, my respect and thanks.
If this is important, I can give you the exact coordinates of the meeting with the blue carabus.

21.11.2008 12:27, Alexandr Rusinov

Good time of the day. Please help me dispel my doubts about the specific affiliation of this karabus. Place of capture-ptato Putorana, Kureika River valley. I have defined it as Carabus vietinghoffi vietinghoffi, but its size confuses me-18-20mm. I certainly understand that the north and life there is difficult, but next to the other subspecies of vietingoffi, this bug looks like a pug next to an elephant smile.gif
picture: Carabus_vietingoffi.jpg

21.11.2008 16:59, Cerega

Most likely, this is vietinghoffi , a very characteristic posterior end of the pronotum. The smallest specimens in my collection are from near Obluchye (Khabarovsk Territory), and from Sakhalin, but they are also about 25 mm, from Primorye there are broilers for 35. In the literature, it is noted from 20, but where 20 is, there is also 18...
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25.11.2008 13:25, AlexandrB

Dear sirs, please tell me which subspecies of Pachystus hungaricus F., 1792 lives in the Crimea and which subspecies (s) of Morphocarabus odoratus Motsch., 1844 lives in the Irkutsk region, pos. Big cats

25.11.2008 13:55, rpanin

Dear sirs, please tell me which subspecies of Pachystus hungaricus F., 1792 lives in the Crimea and which subspecies (s) of Morphocarabus odoratus Motsch., 1844 lives in the Irkutsk region, pos. Big cats


Crimea
Carabus (Pachystus) hungaricus gastridulus Fisch. 1823

26.11.2008 12:10, Archypus

Good time of the day. Please help me dispel my doubts about the specific affiliation of this karabus. Place of capture-ptato Putorana, Kureika River valley. I have defined it as Carabus vietinghoffi vietinghoffi, but its size confuses me-18-20mm. I certainly understand that the north and life there is difficult, but next to the other subspecies of vietingoffi, this bug looks like a pug next to an elephant smile.gif


I found vietinghoffi and macleayi on the Codec about the same size and color,
but of course they were visually different from each other. Either it's vietinghoffi, or one of the two: http://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/carmacgl.htm
It is necessary to run by key
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26.11.2008 12:30, Alexandr Rusinov

I ran it by keys - it goes to vietinghoffi, but I don't have any tables for Siberia, they will determine it from the tables for DV. So I doubted, maybe in Siberia there is still some similar species...

27.11.2008 0:13, Aleksandr Safronov

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28.11.2008 1:01, Aleksandr Safronov

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06.12.2008 15:25, Guest

Dear Amateur, Still, without a photo , it's more like guessing from coffee grounds. If this is Carabus, then in my opinion the following options are possible:
- Carabus (Aulonocarabus) truncaticollis ssp. polaris Poppius, 1905
- Carabus (Morphocarabus) odoratus ssp. septentrionalis Breuning, 1932
- Carabus (Morphocarabus) henningi ssp. oviformis Beheim & Breuning, 1943
Carabus (Megodontus) vietinghoffi ssp. vietinghoffi Adams, 1812-unlikely. His size is too small for him, and his legs are black. Here's what I can do ... smile.gif

Dear Entalex, is the option with the McLeay ground beetle discussed possible?

07.12.2008 12:10, Aleksandr Safronov

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07.12.2008 15:05, Cerega

Got, Carabus (Homoeocarabus) meander from the Amur region, well granulatus granulatus. Do all elytra have serrated bases? Or is this characteristic only of Seaside specimens? With Sakhalin copies, too, misunderstandings.

07.12.2008 15:21, amateur

No, there can't be a macleayi village west of the Ural Mountains. The species generally lives in Eastern Siberia.

At the same time, macleayi in the Yamalo-Nenets District is listed as protected along with C. vietinghoffi ... yes, the Yenisei is already close there.

10.12.2008 23:08, RippeR

Cerega:
Well, that's not true.. the meander is very different from the granulatus, I would even say absolutely.. You never know that the color is close and there are granules, but this is also the case with a large number of carbuses smile.gif
What do you mean the bases are jagged? I don't see any nicks..

10.12.2008 23:13, Dorcadion

Cerega:
Well, that's not true.. the meander is very different from the granulatus, I would even say absolutely.. You never know that the color is close and there are granules, but this is also the case with a large number of carbuses smile.gif
What do you mean the bases are jagged? I don't see any nicks..


It depends on where the beetles are from, from the Amur region yes, they are different from granulatus(although granulatus granulatus is different), and when I collected it in the Irkut region, it was slightly different from the last one and was caught with it in the same place.

11.12.2008 0:46, RippeR

I don't know, I saw yours from Siberia, and I immediately realized that they were not granulates.

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