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Definition of ground beetles of the genus Carabus

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09.05.2009 23:51, Shtil

Gentlemen-experts, help us identify the Caucasian Karabus!

1. Krasnodar Krai. Forest, about 10 km away. east of Loo. 3-4. 05. 2003. L - 35 mm.
2. Krasnodar Krai. Forest, near the village of Solokhaul. May 2003. L - 38 mm.
3. Krasnodar Krai. Forest, near the village of Solokhaul. 29. 04. 2003. L - 38 mm.
4. Krasnodar Krai. Forest at the foot of the Achishkho mountain range. H=900m. 01-07. 08. 2005. L - 37 mm.
5. Krasnodar Krai. Forest at the foot of the Achishkho mountain range. H=900m. 01-07. 08. 2005. L - 32 mm.
6. Krasnodar Krai. hr. Achishkho. H=1800m. 03-05. 08. 2005. L - 27 mm.
7. Krasnodar Krai. hr. Achishkho. H=1800m. 03-05. 08. 2005. L - 20 mm.
8. Krasnodar Krai. Forest, near the village of Solokhaul. May 2003. L - 20 mm.

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10.05.2009 10:24, Dorcadion

so in order:
1,2-Archiplectes starckianus most likely starckianus.
3-Tribax titan titan
4,5 - Archiplectes starckianus babukensis or something very similar to it.
6,7-Archiplectes starcki
8-Microplectes convallum
Like this.

21.05.2009 0:08, I.solod

4-5 Archiplectes obtusus obtusus, although the green form is not quite common there, blue dominates

21.05.2009 7:17, Shtil

Are 6 and 7 exactly starcki?. They are very different from each other...

21.05.2009 14:16, rpanin

4-5 Archiplectes obtusus obtusus, although the green form is not quite common there, blue dominates

And is there such an obtusus obtusus ?
Still considered as a solid subspecies of starckianus. Just look at the endophallus.

This post was edited by rpanin - 05/21/2009 14: 19

24.05.2009 17:09, I.solod

Still, Ruslan, I don't agree with you. These are 2 good independent species, and they differ in bags and a clear difference in appearance, and most importantly in the Solokh-Aula district they meet together, they are caught in one trap. This is what proves (their ecology) about the validity of 2 species. These are 2 substitutive species with a small area of overlapping ranges. On large series, you can see very clear external signs that separate them. I've seen a lot of materials on them, caught a lot myself, so I strongly disagree with the opinion that obtusus is a subspecies of starkianus. If you don't believe me, then come to the Caucasus and take a look. And it's hard to judge by small episodes. But everyone has their own opinion. So you can think what you want, but the reality is different.

Yes. 6 and 7 are starki, it's just that the females of this species are quite different from the males. Measurements , i.e. the length should be specified exactly from the upper lip to the tops of the nadkr along the medial line, otherwise I looked a little off-scale size for obtusus with Achishkho, probably the back of the body with elongated abdominal segments was also included here.

This post was edited by I. solod - 05/24/2009 17: 18
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25.05.2009 11:14, rpanin

Still, Ruslan, I don't agree with you. These are 2 good independent species, and they differ in bags and a clear difference in appearance, and most importantly in the Solokh-Aula district they meet together, they are caught in one trap. This is what proves (their ecology) about the validity of 2 species. These are 2 substitutive species with a small area of overlapping ranges. On large series, you can see very clear external signs that separate them. I've seen a lot of materials on them, caught a lot myself, so I strongly disagree with the opinion that obtusus is a subspecies of starkianus. If you don't believe me, then come to the Caucasus and take a look. And it's hard to judge by small episodes. But everyone has their own opinion. So you can think what you want, but the reality is different.

Yes. 6 and 7 are starki, it's just that the females of this species are quite different from the males. Measurements , i.e. the length should be specified exactly from the upper lip to the tops of the nadkr along the medial line, otherwise I looked a little off-scale size for obtusus with Achishkho, probably the back of the body with elongated abdominal segments was also included here.

And yet, how different are they to be considered a species???
If this approach is followed by a commercial approach, then there will be twice as many species in the already bloated taxonomy.Since the Western buyer is disappointed in the "modern" subspecies without seeing a significant difference, they "automatically" become species, and forms-subspecies.
No one argues, there are differences, so I wrote a solid subspecies And there will always be differences, even in neighboring populations from a neighboring forest or gully. And I think that this is not a reason to raise the rank of most local forms, subspecies, etc.

This post was edited by rpanin - 25.05.2009 12: 03
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28.05.2009 7:24, Shtil

These are 2 good independent species, and they differ in bags and a clear difference in appearance, and most importantly in the Solokh-Aula district they meet together, they are caught in one trap.


4 and 5 are not from near Solokh-Aul, but from Achishkho, if that matters.

 
Measurements , i.e. the length should be specified exactly from the upper lip to the tops of the nadkr along the medial line, otherwise I looked a little off-scale size for obtusus with Achishkho, probably the back of the body with elongated abdominal segments was also included here.



Thank you for the information! Measure really along with the abdominal segments...

06.06.2009 20:03, Алексей Сажнев

Zapadny Sayan, Ergaki second batch-Krasnoyarsk region

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10.06.2009 15:09, guest: Paganel

the first two are Morphocarabus mestscherjakovi the
second 3 are Morphocarabus regalis
www.carabidae.ru
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10.06.2009 15:16, guest: Paganel

And about these animals, I have questions about help.

Photo 1. C. (Ophiocarabus) sp. Also striatulus?
Kyrgyzstan, Repetek, 1600-1900 m. Length 17 mm.

Photo 2. C. (Semnocarabus)? erosus ssp.
Kyrgyzstan, Issyk-Kul region, Sary-Jazz, Tashkent. Length 20 mm.

Photo 3. Someone from Diocarabus?
Kyrgyzstan, Issyk-Kul region, roc. Przewalska. Length 20 mm.

Photo 4.? Diocarabus sp.
Kyrgyzstan, Issyk-Kul region, roc. Przewalska. Length 20 mm.


photos 3 and 4 of the labels are exactly messed up :- (- Sayans SHOULD BE

10.06.2009 15:18, guest: Paganel

On the left is C. (Megodontus) vietinghoffi ssp. fulgidus Fischer, 1827
Right - C. (Eucarabus) arvensis ssp. faldermanni Dejean, 1829
I hope so. smile.gif

right Hemicarabus macleayiae.... wink.gif
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10.06.2009 15:26, guest: Paganel

Is it possible to identify a ground beetle from this photo? It was a little dark. Collected on Lake Baikal. Listvyanka, Irkutsk region. 8.07.2007

aeruginosiformis is not there at all, so either spasskianus or aeruginosus, this is a male, you can inflate endophallus eek.gif
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18.06.2009 0:13, tlemsen

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Caught on a soil trap in a mixed forest on 14.06.09.
Moscow oblast. Mozhaisk district.

Who is it?
Thank you in advance.

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18.06.2009 0:47, Fornax13

Carabus glabratus
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31.08.2009 10:53, Alvin

Dear experts, smile.gif Please help me determine the subspecies of excellence (maybe it's frivaldskyi?).
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And look at this female karabus (slightly larger than the convexus).
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Both are collected in the floodplain forest (the first-this year in Tiraspol, the second in 2005 in Sakharna).
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31.08.2009 11:50, RippeR

So far, we can only say that this is a nominative. This color happens, just rarely smile.gifa cool copy.!
Currently, the subspecies Frivaldski, which is believed to live in the Ukrainian Carpathians and Poland, may be found in the north-west of Moldova, but not in the south-east smile.gifThere, in principle, may be its own subspecies, but it is unlikely. (need series)

The second beetle appears to be Trachycarabus scabriusculus.
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31.08.2009 12:40, Alvin

Ah, I was already starting to think... rolleyes.gif The specimen is really very unusual in its beauty. This is the first time I've caught one. There were of course various color options, but this is not a standard smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
Thank you, Andrey, for the definition! beer.gif
 
Currently, the subspecies Frivaldski, which is believed to live in the Ukrainian Carpathians and Poland, may be found in the north-west of Moldova, but not in the south-east smile.gif

Everything! Next season I'll be fishing in Kamenka until I catch this frivaldski wall.gif wall.gif wall.gif

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07.09.2009 12:15, Buzman

Dear experts, Please tell me how to visually distinguish Carabus (Pachycarabus) koenigi Ganglbauer, 1886 and Carabus (Pachycarabus) staehlini Adams, 1817?

07.09.2009 12:19, RippeR

visually, almost nothing! You can easily distinguish males by aedeagus - you just need to pull out and look - one has a denticle at the end, the other does not. Well, and areas of course!

07.09.2009 12:27, Buzman

Thanks, Ripper, I get it. And their areas overlap in places, for example, in Arkhyz, Karachay-Cherkessia. And what about them in relation to the Elbrus region? Is there only koenigi, or can both species be found?

This post was edited by Buzman - 07.09.2009 12: 32

07.09.2009 21:07, RippeR

I don't know about the exact angles.
and whether exactly in Arkhyz both types??7. And then caught with Dima (Dorkadion) series of pahikarabusov, Obydov took 1 male to check and said that it is konigi.

08.09.2009 8:57, omar

Thanks, Ripper, I get it. And their areas overlap in places, for example, in Arkhyz, Karachay-Cherkessia. And what about them in relation to the Elbrus region? Is there only koenigi, or can both species be found?

In Kabarda, both types, and Stalin's thicket
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08.09.2009 13:25, Buzman

To RippeR: I showed my pachycarabuses from Arkhyz to A.V. Puchkov. I took him 5 specimens and he recognized them as both species.

08.09.2009 17:28, RippeR

so I will pick all ))

08.09.2009 20:30, vasiliy-feoktistov

so I will pick all ))

And of course-everywhere (now September is the perfect time). smile.gif

13.09.2009 13:52, grendaizer

This month I fucked on the Ushba plateau, there were a lot of them!

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13.09.2009 14:19, Nilson

This month I fucked on the Ushba plateau, there were a lot of them!

Similar to Carabus (Oreocarabus) cribratus (Quensel, 1806)
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14.09.2009 0:19, rpanin

So far, we can only say that this is a nominative. This color happens, just rarely smile.gifa cool copy.!
Currently, the subspecies Frivaldski, which is believed to live in the Ukrainian Carpathians and Poland, may be found in the north-west of Moldova, but not in the south-east smile.gifThere, in principle, may be its own subspecies, but it is unlikely. (need series)

The second beetle appears to be Trachycarabus scabriusculus.

ssp only. frivaldskyi Kraatz, 1887 does not live in the Carpathians, but on the territory of the Carpathian lowland:Verkhnosyanskaya (Poland) and Verkhnednistrovskaya lowlands.

scabriusculus is a weak subspecies of ssp. lippii Dejean, 1826 .It differs from the nominative by its large size. Up to 23 mm
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23.09.2009 21:02, Sungaya

Tell me, is this a Carabus nemoralis?
MO, Mytishchi, August 16
And what gender, if possible

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23.09.2009 21:32, grendaizer

Good evening! Previously, I posted a photo of a similar tribe, but unfortunately very low quality. This is much better. According to my assumptions, this is tribax bierbersteini fossiger. Please help me clarify this. Svaneti September.

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23.09.2009 21:49, vasiliy-feoktistov

Tell me, is this a Carabus nemoralis?
MO, Mytishchi, August 16
And what gender, if possible

Nemoralis, Sasha (we don't seem to have anything like this-it's the most frequent one)"he probably is . The female.
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24.09.2009 9:10, grendaizer

Comrades! My question is, how exactly do I distinguish kasbekianus onerosus from bierbersteini fossiger? I can't find such information on my own help. Obviously grateful!

24.09.2009 9:30, Dorcadion

The genitals... In the photo above, 80 percent - Tribax onerosus, to be more precise, you need to know which ridge or river valley it is from.
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24.09.2009 13:24, Mantispid

Help me identify the Carabus (most likely sibiricus). Caught in the vicinity of the city of Saratov.

24.09.2009 13:33, Aleksandr Safronov

Help me identify the Carabus (most likely sibiricus). Caught in the vicinity of the city of Saratov.

Carabus (Tomocarabus) convexus convexus Fabricius, 1775

24.09.2009 14:21, RippeR

exactly convexus and not Bessarabia? strange some
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24.09.2009 14:28, Aleksandr Safronov

I wasn't sure, either. Pronotum - the posterior corners are almost not drawn back and the disc is painfully smooth. shuffle.gif

24.09.2009 14:35, Aleksandr Safronov

Yes, it looks like Ripper is right.
Carabus (Tomocarabus) bessarabicus ssp. concretus Fischer, 1823
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24.09.2009 15:04, Mantispid

Thanks guys)

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