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Definition of ground beetles of the genus Carabus

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10.08.2015 19:42, rpanin

Please help me determine it. Belgorod region, Starooskolsky district.

1 Carabus (Eucarabus) stscheglowi Mannerheim, 1827
2 Carabus (Tomocarabus) marginalis Fabricius, 1794
3 Carabus (Tomocarabus) marginalis Fabricius, 1794
4 Carabus (Megodontus) violaceus aurolimbatus Dejean, 1829
5 Carabus (Trachycarabus) sibiricus haeres Fischer, 1823
6 Carabus (Megodontus) violaceus aurolimbatus Dejean, 1829
7Carabus (Megodontus) violaceus aurolimbatus Dejean, 1829
8 Calasoma inquisitor
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10.08.2015 20:04, BUTTERFLY

Thanks for the definition! Belgorod region, Borisovsky district

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11.08.2015 10:30, Victor Titov

Here are some more Belgorod region, Borisovsky district.

The topic is called "Definition of ground beetles of the genus Carabus" wall.gif
For other ground beetles (as well as other beetles) - another topic: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtop...50#entry1571540

By the way, the first beetle is Broscus cephalotes.
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17.08.2015 11:42, Barnaba

Please check the carabiner.
Moscow region, Serebryanoprudsky district, south of the village. Lishnyagi. 8-9. VIII. 2015.
Mixed forest, soil traps and manual harvesting at night.
In the first photo on the left, as I believe, Carabus sibiricus haeres (23mm), on the right C. hortensis.
In the second photo, probably a Carabus convexus (17mm).

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17.08.2015 14:01, Aleksandr Safronov

Please check the carabiner.
Moscow region, Serebryanoprudsky district, south of the village. Lishnyagi. 8-9. VIII. 2015.
Mixed forest, soil traps and manual harvesting at night.
In the first photo on the left, as I believe, Carabus sibiricus haeres (23mm), on the right C. hortensis.
In the second photo, probably a Carabus convexus (17mm).

Well, yes, that's right.
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18.08.2015 21:28, Barnaba

At the same point, within a radius of 200-250m, a certain number of dissimilar carabuses were caught, about which I would also like to ask for advice.
At first glance, they are divided into 3 groups:
1) quite typical in color and habit of C. cancellatus (in the general photo, 2 upper rows: 8 females, 4 males. The next two photos show the first 4 females and all males). They are broad, convex, larger, elliptical ribs. The legs are completely black. The first segment of the antennae is red in all but one female (4th from the left in the first row). The color is typical-copper-red prsp and the border of elithras, elithras are golden-greenish.
2) 4 individuals (2.2) are noticeably flatter, narrower, and smaller. Females are more prominent than males (in the general photo in the 3rd row + a separate photo). The shape of the prsp, elytra and coloration are more similar to C. granulatus, but there is a variation. The thighs, except for the distal part, are red, but the first segment of the antennae is black.
3) The rest - generally look like C. granulatus (two lower rows, 4 males and females in a separate photo), but there are interesting variations in the overall color (green male in a separate photo - I saw such only from the Crimea). The thighs and first segment of the antennae are black. Some have similarities with C. cancellatus in color and habit (for example, the 3rd female on the left), while others are more "traditional" in appearance. In the last photo, the female of this form is compared to the female from the first group with black 1st segments of antennae.
I would be grateful for your comments and opinions about the species.

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19.08.2015 12:48, Aleksandr Safronov

 
...I will be grateful for comments and opinions about the species.

The first two rows in the general image are C. cancellatus, the rest are C. granulatus. The last image shows granulatus on the left and cancatus on the right.
The second row is of course smaller and narrower, because these are males.
In general, the species differ well in their habitus, including the shape and sculpture of the prsp, the shape of the nadcr. The shoulder angles of granulatus are sharper, while those of cancellatus are rounded. The sides in the first case are more parallel, in the second - rounded, etc.
Another question is that these species often run sympatrically and may form a certain percentage of hybrids. But I don't have that information.
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19.08.2015 13:59, Barnaba

In general, I thought so, but in this connection I have a long series of questions. I apologize if this is common knowledge, I have never specifically dealt with carabuses. I would appreciate an answer to at least some of them.
1. How common is the black 1st segment of the antennae in C. cancellatus? I've seen photos of them from Yu.Europe, I haven't seen anything from Russia.
2. Is there a red 1st segment of the antennae in C. granulatus?
3. Are the black-legged C. cancellatus fully known from the contiguous regions of the Moscow, Ryazan, and Tula regions (let me remind you that the point of discovery is the extreme south of the Serebryanoprudsky district of the Moscow region)? Does this attribute have a geographical location?
4. Are C. granulatus with red thighs known from adjacent areas of the Moscow, Ryazan, and Tula regions, and does the trait have a geographical location (I've only seen them from Altai and Zap.Ukraine)?
5. Are there any micropopulations (panmictic aggregates) of C. cancellatus in which individuals with both red and black thighs are found? What parts of the range are they typical for? The same applies to C. granulatus. That is, whether stable polymorphism is possible.
6. Is there an unambiguous qualitative rather than quantitative trait (apart from the width of the episternes of the posterior thorax, it is also essentially quantitative) that would reliably distinguish these 2 species? These are different subgenera.
7. Is there really no data on the possibility of hybridization of these two widely distributed and seemingly well-studied species? I searched the Internet, but I didn't find anything sensible on the spot.

19.08.2015 14:53, Barnaba

Rep. Adygea, Maikop district, Lagonaki plateau, ~6 km South-west "Guest house Oshten", at the path through Abadzeshsky lane. on the Instructor slot. H~2025м. Alpika.
44.024650, 39.988600
09.VII.2015. Mid-afternoon, active. 17.5 mm.

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19.08.2015 15:12, Victor Titov

 
3. Are the black-legged C. cancellatus fully known from the contiguous regions of the Moscow, Ryazan, and Tula regions (let me remind you that the point of discovery is the extreme south of the Serebryanoprudsky district of the Moscow region)?

I have in my collection completely black-legged C. cancellatus from the Kostroma region, as well as the Uglich and Rostov districts of the Yaroslavl region.

5. Are there any micropopulations (panmictic aggregates) of C. cancellatus in which individuals with both red and black thighs are found?

In the Rostov region of the Yaroslavl region, I know a point where both black-legged and red-backed C. cancellatus are caught simultaneously.
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19.08.2015 15:21, Aleksandr Safronov

Rep. Adygea, Maikop district, Lagonaki plateau, ~6 km South-west "Guest house Oshten", at the path through Abadzeshsky lane. on the Instructor slot. H~2025м. Alpika.
44.024650, 39.988600
09.VII.2015. Mid-afternoon, active.

Carabus (Tomocarabus) decolor Fischer, 1823
Size should be around 16-19 mm.
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19.08.2015 15:35, Aleksandr Safronov

 
6. Is there an unambiguous qualitative rather than quantitative trait (apart from the width of the episternes of the posterior thorax, it is also essentially quantitative) that would reliably distinguish these 2 species? These are different subgenera.

Endophallus.

07.10.2015 20:47, Barnaba

C.cancellatus or C. cumanus ?
Rostov region, Myasnikovsky district, 2 km south of the village. Shchedry, Donskoy Chulek river valley.
6-8. VII. 2015.
Wide forest with dense vegetation. opadom. Uks. traps + manual collection at night.
Male 23mm, female 27mm. At the same point, 6 more females of the same habit, length 26-30mm, were collected.

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08.10.2015 0:03, I.solod

cancellatus
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08.10.2015 13:27, Михалис

C. cancellatus or C. cumanus ?


This is cancellatus. And cumanus is even very different in appearance, and I'm not sure that its range extends north to the Rostov region...

27.11.2015 20:51, Honza

Ruslan - Please help with the definition

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27.12.2015 0:20, Zaritsky88

Good evening.
Please tell me the type of ground beetles .
Caught on the island of Crete, Greece. December 2015
I will be grateful.

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27.12.2015 0:47, Archypus

Carabus (Procrustes) banoni Dejean, 1829

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27.12.2015 3:52, rpanin

Ruslan - Please help with the definition

Carabus (Morphocarabus) rothi hampei n.? diffinis Csiki, 1906/zilahiensis Csiki, 1906
What is the size of the beetle?

29.12.2015 10:32, Arachna

Hello. Please help me determine (Khotyn, Chernivtsi region) 08.05.2012
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29.12.2015 15:19, Honza

Carabus (Morphocarabus) rothi hampei n.? diffinis Csiki, 1906/zilahiensis Csiki, 1906
What is the size of the beetle?



26 mm

18.01.2016 6:52, Cerega

Need help identifying: Sibiria 18-27. 06. 93 Myrnyi St. leg. Skomorokhov M. ex col Mavrodi.

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18.01.2016 6:55, Cerega

Another one: Novosibirsk, sobr. E. Shevnin

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18.01.2016 7:06, Cerega

A couple more under the same label: Altai Republic, Semsky pass, h=1700 m, P. Ustuzhanin leg.

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18.01.2016 8:00, Cerega

Please also suggest 06.08.15 Novosibirsk, Uchebny point, E Shevnin leg. I defined as Carabus (Megodontus) schoenherri ab. chakassicus

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18.01.2016 8:14, Cerega

And a couple more with one label 05.06.91 Moscow region, Zvenigorod district sobr. V. Kovtunovich.
Although for me and exotic, but the first I identified as Carabus (Megodontus) violaceus, and the second-Carabus (Archicarabus) nemoralis

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18.01.2016 9:23, Aleksandr Safronov

Need help identifying: Sibiria 18-27. 06. 93 Myrnyi St. leg. Skomorokhov M. ex col Mavrodi.

Carabus (Morphocarabus) henningi Fischer, 1817
Another one: Novosibirsk, sobr. E. Shevnin

Carabus (Morphocarabus) regalis Fischer, 1822
A couple more under the same label: Altai Republic, Semsky pass, h=1700 m, P. Ustuzhanin leg.

Carabus (Morphocarabus) henningi henningi Fischer, 1817
Please also suggest 06.08.15 Novosibirsk, Uchebny point, E Shevnin leg. I defined as Carabus (Megodontus) schoenherri ab. chakassicus

Carabus (Megodontus) schoenherri Fischer, 1822-standard. The photo is poorly visible. If the elytra border is black, then ab. melanchlorus Fischer, 1827
And a couple more with one label 05.06.91 Moscow region, Zvenigorod district sobr. V. Kovtunovich.
Although for me and exotic, but the first I identified as Carabus (Megodontus) violaceus, and the second-Carabus (Archicarabus) nemoralis

The photo, of course, is unimportant. But the first, imho, is C. (Pachystus) glabratus Paykull, 1790.
The second one is like yes, Carabus (Archicarabus) nemoralis Muller, 1764.
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18.01.2016 9:39, Cerega

Thanks! Does the nominative subspecies henningi live in Mirny? Schoenherri has a purple pronotum and border. And on glabratus and nemoralis, in the Zvenigorodsky district, what subspecies run?

18.01.2016 10:29, Aleksandr Safronov

Thanks! Does the nominative subspecies henningi live in Mirny? Schoenherri has a purple pronotum and border. And on glabratus and nemoralis, in the Zvenigorodsky district, what subspecies run?

There are about twenty Mirny villages on the map of Russia.
S. schoenherri means ordinary. Ab. chakassicus has chocolate-brown elytra with dark blue edging.
C. (Pachystus) glabratus and Carabus (Archicarabus) nemoralis are nominatives.

18.01.2016 11:10, Cerega

Exactly, although Siberia is not the whole of Russia, but also not a little. And for some reason I thought about the famous Yakut Mirny
. S. schoenherri means ordinary. Ab. chakassicus has chocolate-brown elytra with dark blue edging. - the elytra is chocolate brown, but the edging is dark blue or purple? It is necessary to compare it with something, I don't understand the boundaries.

18.01.2016 11:34, Aleksandr Safronov

 
C. schoenherri means ordinary. Ab. chakassicus has chocolate-brown elytra with dark blue edging. - the elytra is chocolate brown, but the edging is dark blue or purple? It is necessary to compare it with something, I don't understand the boundaries.

ab. chakassicus-lives in Khakassia: Siberia:Hakassia:betw.Krasnoyarsk/Abakan:Saragash env.

18.01.2016 11:48, Cerega

Thanks! This one is from the vicinity of Novosibirsk. Nominative.

20.01.2016 13:07, John-ST

Help identify the ground beetle.
10.06.2015
Turkey, Sakarya, Karasu
die length 42 mm
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20.01.2016 13:19, Aleksandr Safronov

Help identify the ground beetle.
10.06.2015
Turkey, Sakarya, Karasu
die length 42 mm

Carabus (Procrustes) coriaceus kindermanni Waltl, 1838
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20.01.2016 15:33, John-ST

I looked at the distribution map on the "Fauna of Europe" and was puzzled confused.gif: the Balearic Islands, Crete, Crimea, and the North Caucasus are not Europe, but Cyprus is Europe, where is the logic?

20.01.2016 21:51, Bad Den

I looked at the distribution map on the "Fauna of Europe" and was puzzled confused.gif: the Balearic Islands, Crete, Crimea, and the North Caucasus are not Europe, but Cyprus is Europe, where is the logic?

Here's what I got:
http://www.faunaeur.org/Maps/display_map_a...n&taxon1=387212

20.01.2016 22:11, Maksim M.

Continent-Eurasia, border-Ural Mountains, maybe Europe....

21.01.2016 11:21, John-ST

Here's what I got:
http://www.faunaeur.org/Maps/display_map_a...n&taxon1=387212

This is the old "Fauna", but the new" Fauna " territories have fallen out, and there is no Asian Turkey either.
http://www.fauna-eu.org/cdm_dataportal/tax...9f-5fdc5988b4ab

PS but the remaining European part of the Russian Federation was divided into four parts

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21.01.2016 21:55, Bad Den

This is the old "Fauna", but the new" Fauna " territories have fallen out, and there is no Asian Turkey either.
http://www.fauna-eu.org/cdm_dataportal/tax...9f-5fdc5988b4ab

PS but the remaining European part of the Russian Federation was divided into four parts

Everything seems to be fine:
http://www.fauna-eu.org/cdm_dataportal/tax...32-8f38506d11ec

24.01.2016 15:46, Honza

Lamprostus sp. confused.gif

42 mm

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