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Coleoptera identification for closely related, hard-to-distinguish species

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RippeR, 02.08.2007 15:04

I got the idea to create such a theme. The fact is that there are so many closely related species that are not easy to distinguish, especially from recently described ones. (this series includes Agapanthia violacea and intermedia, Aegomorphus clavipes and woltilaj, Platycerus carboides and caprea)
Many features of these types were already posted on the site in order to distinguish them, but they remained scattered on numerous topics, and these keys are sometimes very necessary and important, but it is no longer possible to find them.
Therefore, we ask what is interesting and give answers. Collecting data!
First of all, I am interested in those types (as indicated above). I had data for some species, but I already sowed it somewhere, so to speak, I lost smile.gifit

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11.09.2007 10:03, treator

I have a question on Geotrupidae namely:
Geotrupes stercorarius
Geotrupes stercorosus
Geotrupes vernalis
Geotrupes mutator
Geotrupes spiniger mol.gif mol.gif

11.09.2007 13:10, RippeR

Stercorosus prosto-the smallest, shiny, with a strong dotted pronotum, unlike other species.
vernalis is the only smooth one (almost completely, in terms of elytra), usually blue or green.
Stercorosus and vernalis are usually found right in the woods, the rest are only near the woods, but not in the woods themselves.
the rest are similar and differ best in legs (like)
mutator has a greenish tint and is found in steppe areas where sand (like)
stercorarius and spiniger differ in legs (somewhere the article was posted about this)
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11.09.2007 15:34, treator

RippeR what kind of literature do you use?

11.09.2007 18:54, RippeR

treator:
experience + internet + with the world on a thread (according to the word from friends, molbiolschikov, specialists, etc.) + green + what comes to hand smile.gif
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12.09.2007 1:07, Fornax13

I have a question on Geotrupidae namely:
Geotrupes stercorarius
Geotrupes stercorosus
Geotrupes vernalis
Geotrupes mutator
Geotrupes spiniger mol.gif  mol.gif

Trypocopris vernalis (L.) and Anoplotrupes stercorosus (Scr.) differ from the others by two transverse keels on the hind legs. (Real Geotrupes have 3 of them). In Anoplotrupes stercorosus (Scr.), the border on the main pronotum is not interrupted, in Trypocopris vernalis (L.) it is interrupted on the sides. T. vernalis (L.) with smooth nds., usually with a strong blue or green gloss. A. stercorosus (Scr.) is almost black above, usually only along the edges with strong ebb. And you can try real Geotrupes using the keys of G. V. Nikolaev...

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12.09.2007 13:51, Nimrod

Not so long ago, gentlemen, we, like, discussed the topic of Geotrupes: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=154861 Or am I confusing something? In any case, Mr. treator will be able to understand everything that he is currently interested in in this group of genera using visual examples. If you have any material that is difficult to identify, I will help you in any way I can.
Sincerely,...
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18.09.2007 8:12, treator

In Carabus cancellatus red thighs are a constant sign?? Are there any other keys available???

18.09.2007 8:36, omar

Red/black thighs are a very variable trait for this species. In addition, red thighs are also found in granulatus.
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18.09.2007 9:09, treator

Are there any other keys available???

21.09.2007 0:29, Fornax13

Are there any other keys available???

In C. cancellatus, the elytra are clearly convex; in C. granulatus, they are flattened. If there are both types , it is immediately clear.
You can, of course, look at the episternae of the posterior thorax: in C. cancellatus they are no longer than their width, in C. granulatus they are longer.
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21.09.2007 11:34, Archypus

A couple of Caucasian nebryas from Karachay-Cherkessia. I don't know if this is one view or two different ones. The first is from Teberda, the second from Arkhyz. There are also three dividing ridges between the points of 30-35 km in a straight line. The heights are approximately the same-1500-1700m. In general, find 10 differences. If necessary, you can enlarge the image

Pictures:
picture: N_jarrigei.jpg
N_jarrigei.jpg — (145.48к)

21.09.2007 12:57, Дзанат

And who are they, males or females?

21.09.2007 13:19, Mylabris

look at the genitals. And habitually-like one kind...

21.09.2007 13:32, Дзанат

Immediately borosaetsya in the eyes eek.gif smile.gifof the forehead, the second copy is wider, in general, the head is wider. And how is it with small signs, there are bristles, microsculpture eek.gif smile.gif

21.09.2007 13:35, Bad Den

Archypus, what's confusing about the distance of points?
Looks like the same.

21.09.2007 15:21, RippeR

I didn't find any differences
-1
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21.09.2007 17:22, rpanin

The antennae are like those of the first specimen. lighter.

21.09.2007 18:04, omar

Perhaps because the second one doesn't have any problems... smile.gif in proper lighting.

21.09.2007 21:52, Sparrow

from above, they are almost identical... the head of the right one just glows, but the antennae of the left one are longer wink.gifand even like some more shagged galleries) although it may be chiaroscuro.. chiaroscuro...

21.09.2007 23:10, Archypus

Two males. The first one is not very well spread out, but this is not the point. Habitually very similar, but the former is somewhat longer-legged. In the photo, this is not very noticeable, but it is obvious on the material (which is why there were doubts). The forehead of the second is really smoother and wider. But that's not all. The color of the antennae does not matter much - it is rather an error in shooting, but the mandibles of the second are noticeably larger. Even in the photo of the first one, they are closed, but you can still see it. And pay attention to the shape of the last segment of the maxillary palps. You can probably see better that way:
picture: IMG_Neb.jpg
I have only two copies of Teberda, and they are identical. Judging by the fees, for Sowing. In the Caucasus from Adygea to C. Ossetia should have one (out of two similar) species-N. jarrigei, described in 1991 and previously mixed with N. nigerrima. But how then is nigerrima itself distributed?

This post was edited by Archypus - 13.10.2007 22: 28
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21.09.2007 23:13, Sparrow

but it is so noticeable that the prsp is different proportionally. on the feelers for some reason I don't see any differences. The mandibles of the first are not visible at all. I don't know about the view. you need to make a selection... maybe variativnos includes all this completely.

This post was edited by Sparrow - 09/21/2007 23: 14

21.09.2007 23:14, RippeR

I wonder how many Nebria species there are in the Caucasus, if there is potentially a new species behind each ridge.. But do not indulge in this issue.. Vaughn nebria rufiscens what a large area it has, and there are no tolkyo ridges..
Although you can't say that for sure.. small differences are really visible.. It is necessary to pull the genitals..

This post was edited by RippeR - 09/21/2007 23: 19

21.09.2007 23:33, Archypus

In this case, the species is either one or two, and they are both jarrigei, or one of them
is still nigerrima
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13.10.2007 22:27, Archypus

Yes, it seems that this story can be put to rest. The image shows two views. The first (from Teberda) - Nebria nigerrima Chaudoir 1846, the second - N. jarrigei Ledoux et Roux 1991 Differ (Dzanat Prava) in the number of setae on the penultimate part of the labial palps: in nigerrima there are 3, in jarrigei - 2. Other signs are mostly quantitative (such as "more"or"less"), but they also work.
to Ripper. In the Caucasus, there are more than 1.5 dozen species of nebria, in the North-Zap. In the Caucasus, from Adygea to Elbrus, there are about a dozen of them. They belong to the subgenera Eunebria Jannel 1937 and Alpaeus Bonelli 1809 According to the latest revision of the genus (Ledoux et Roux, 2005), all Caucasian Alpaeus are assigned to the subgenus Nebria Latreille 1825. They are mainly characteristic (with rare exceptions) of the subnival belt-they run near the snow border, while Eunebria species live in the forest belt at altitudes of 1000-2000m
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13.10.2007 22:46, omar

Archipus, I saw Elizar here the other day. Among other things, he brought me wonderful large nebryas with yellow legs and antennae, as well as the yellow edge of the pronotum. Size-slightly less than livid. Maybe you know? Kavkaz, of course, was coming from the REO congress. And how do I find this revision? Is it in French?

13.10.2007 23:08, Archypus

The revision came out in the form of a rather weighty book: http://www.museum-lyon.org/publications/pu...seum/nebria.htm - is it available in the MSPU, in
connection with the yellow NRGs? maybe picicornis luteipes?
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13.10.2007 23:12, omar

Maybe...How are the people in 101 already coming from their expeditions? And who better to contact with the definition of ground beetles? Are there any nebrias similar to this species in the Caucasus? Size - not less than 15 mm.

This post was edited by omar - 10/13/2007 23: 23

14.10.2007 11:07, Archypus

You can contact Makarov Kirill Vladimirovich, it will help. And with yellow legs from nebria, I don't remember anyone else from the Caucasus
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14.10.2007 13:23, KDG

Maybe...How are the people in 101 already coming from their expeditions?

all in place smile.gif
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14.10.2007 15:53, RippeR

Archypus:
thank
you I hope for your ignorance and inattention you will not judge strictly wink.gif

16.10.2007 13:21, Bad Den

The revision came out in the form of a rather weighty book: http://www.museum-lyon.org/publications/pu...seum/nebria.htm - it is available in the Moscow State Pedagogical University, in 101


Suddenly someone will be interested.
I wrote about this book and got an answer:

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16.10.2007 13:33, Archypus

Having come to fork out 80% or maybe someone wants to save on the cost of shipping?

This post was edited by Archypus - 10/16/2007 13: 37

16.10.2007 15:04, Bad Den

Having come to fork out 80% or maybe someone wants to save on the cost of shipping?

Do not forget about 25 euros for the transfer (bank commission).

16.10.2007 15:53, RippeR

It depends on what transfers to send. We need to check Anelik - they have a 2% commission and a large distribution around the world.. You can also check other translations.

16.10.2007 22:08, Bad Den

"Please could you send us 80,05€ by international bank transfer? Our Society can accept credit card. We have only international bank transfer."
With this - wire (international) bank transfer

17.10.2007 0:45, Frantic

Do not forget about 25 euros for the transfer (bank commission).


Bad Den, how quickly did the Franks respond to your email? I wrote them back on Sunday, but they are silent like piscesfrown.gif

17.10.2007 7:50, Bad Den

Wrote on the 14th, answered on the 16th

21.10.2007 21:34, guest: runaway

Hello, dear beetle experts!
I live in Chernihiv. This summer, while walking in the park, I found the HEAD of a very large (as far as we can assume) beetle. Head width 21 mm, length 14 mm. Two antlers protrude from the head, very similar to a deer's, polished, dark brown in color, with appendages and teeth on the inner sides. The horns are 30 mm long. Unfortunately, there is no camera yet. If anyone can clarify what kind of bug it might be, I'd be very grateful!

21.10.2007 22:48, Bad Den

I believe it was the head of a male stag beetle (Lucanus cervus)

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