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How reliably we can determine if the species of an insect being sold is right

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Oleg Belkin, 04.11.2011 10:37

Dear entomologists, this may be a somewhat naive question.
How can you confidently state the subspecies of a butterfly in an envelope, even if there are discussions about the straightened one? Question on bulavousy and Parnassus in particular. It is also necessary to determine it "in nature", and how it is combined with large fees. confused.gif

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04.11.2011 19:27, Kharkovbut

How can you confidently state the subspecies of a butterfly in an envelope, even if there are discussions about the straightened one? Question on bulavousy and Parnassus in particular. It is also necessary to determine it "in nature", and how it is combined with large fees. confused.gif
No way. The main thing for the seller is to get more money from naive collectors. tongue.gif Subspecies of Parnassius are generally solid philately. IMHO.
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04.11.2011 19:36, vasiliy-feoktistov

I've already made a rule for myself: "Purchased - be sure to check the definition" (examples are available).

04.11.2011 19:39, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Only the holotype (neotype, lectotype) is indisputably correctly defined. Everything else needs to be checked. At one time, I encountered a situation where 3 paratypes were found to belong to 3 different species.

04.11.2011 19:54, vasiliy-feoktistov

Duc here is an example:
Beetle "label" fishing place: Thailand, Tak.
Initial definition:
Anoplophora birmanica Hüdepohl, 1990
I think it's A. zonatrix? actually (I can't determine in any way).
By the way: I will be grateful if you can help.

Pictures:
picture: anoplophora_zonatrix.jpg
anoplophora_zonatrix.jpg — (75.08к)

04.11.2011 20:15, Oleg Belkin

Thank you to all who responded! It's nice to know that I wasn't so naive...my premonitions were correct.
Sincerely.

04.11.2011 20:39, KDG

Duc here is an example:
Beetle "label" fishing place: Thailand, Tak.
Initial definition:
Anoplophora birmanica Hüdepohl, 1990
I think it's A. zonatrix? actually (I can't determine in any way).
By the way: I will be grateful if you can help.


A.zonator (Thomson, 1878)
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04.11.2011 20:44, Bad Den

Everybody lies©
House M.D.

04.11.2011 20:51, vasiliy-feoktistov

Everybody lies©
House M.D.

Well, not all of them...... But decently: it is necessary to check (this is a harsh reality) smile.gif

04.11.2011 21:20, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Everybody lies©
House M.D.


Why so harsh?

People tend to make mistakes.

04.11.2011 21:48, vasiliy-feoktistov

At A. zonator, by the way synonyms enough.
So I was right in my example.

05.11.2011 22:07, KDG

At A. zonator, by the way synonyms enough.
So I was right in my example.

there are only 2 species and one subspecies. this is not much, compared to some other species of the genus.
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06.11.2011 2:18, vasiliy-feoktistov

there are only 2 species and one subspecies. this is not much, compared to some other species of the genus.

Thank you for confirming my doubts about the correctness of the definition: I was going to put a species in lamiinae for a long time, but it was the definition that did not give rest.

06.11.2011 12:35, Sanangel

Photo from "BEETLES of THAILAND"

Pictures:
picture: foto.jpg
foto.jpg — (102.77к)

06.11.2011 13:12, vasiliy-feoktistov

I "danced": from here .

06.11.2011 14:15, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Now I'm writing an article-I needed a description of one genus from New Zealand. This log is not available in the available libraries. I went to the Internet-it's full of beautiful color photos. Everything would be fine, but there are also photos that are obviously incorrectly defined nearby. I mean, the key question is who determined it. Unfortunately, definitions are usually anonymous on the Internet.

06.11.2011 14:34, vasiliy-feoktistov

Now I'm writing an article-I needed a description of one genus from New Zealand. This log is not available in the available libraries. I went to the Internet-it's full of beautiful color photos. Everything would be fine, but there are also photos that are obviously incorrectly defined nearby. I mean, the key question is who determined it. Unfortunately, definitions are usually anonymous on the Internet.

yes.gif First, I have a lot of such types (including our local ones): hz. from what to dance. Just that in this case, for some reason, I'm sure that I don't have A. birmanica confused.gif

06.11.2011 14:48, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

So your birmanica was recently described - you can take the description and try to look at the original source.
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