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Defining features for distinguishing closely related butterfly species

Community and ForumTaxonomy. ClassificationDefining features for distinguishing closely related butterfly species

vasiliy-feoktistov, 02.05.2012 11:55

I don't even know if there is such a topic. Therefore, I will ask you to write: if such a topic exists,I will move the post.
Inspired by recent discussions in the definition of butterflies...... shuffle.gif
I decided to show you clearly, in the picture, how it is easiest to distinguish between two Nymphalis species near Moscow.
The most obvious difference is the row of yellow spots on the hindwings of Nymphalis polychloros.
Actually, where it can be seen, I put exclamation marks.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 06.05.2012 08: 46

Pictures:
picture: xanthomelas_vs_polychloros.JPG
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03.05.2012 8:02, Лавр Большаков

Of all these signs, the white (yellow) spot at the apex is the most reliable, but it is also present in highly flown specimens. it may fade. The remaining spots are somewhat adventurous to use for identification. It is also a good idea to look at the legs: in xanthomelas, they are usually noticeably lighter than the body - seen in a resting position with folded wings.
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03.05.2012 8:20, vasiliy-feoktistov

Of all these signs, the white (yellow) spot at the apex is the most reliable, but it is also present in highly flown specimens. it may fade. The remaining spots are somewhat adventurous to use for identification. It is also a good idea to look at the legs: in xanthomelas, they are usually noticeably lighter than the body - you can see them in a resting position with folded wings.

Thank you for the addition!
These signs, too, of course. According to the determinants, they are spot-based and are bred most often.
But I tried to show it as clearly as possible: I have never seen yellow spots on the rear wing of xanthomelas, but polychloros always has them.
This was already discussed on the forum a few years ago. But for the life of me, I can't find it. That's why I conceived this topic. Often questions in the definition of butterflies arise on them.
P. S. I would also like to show two similar species of Catocala:
C. promissa and C. sponsa. But I can't unfortunately: C. sponsa is available, but C. promissa has never been seen/caught.
Can someone write about them?

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 03.05.2012 08: 44

03.05.2012 8:45, Mantispid

You need to team up and create a butterfly identifier in pictures, like how I make elephants - http://coleop123.narod.ru/key/opredslon/priz1.html
A good idea would be)

03.05.2012 10:37, vasiliy-feoktistov

You need to team up and create a butterfly identifier in pictures, like how I make elephants - http://coleop123.narod.ru/key/opredslon/priz1.html
A good idea would be)

Sungaya already has a clear and correct answer on the bulavousym website: http://sungaya.narod.ru/rhop/index.html (on the right, the identifier itself). Unfortunately, it doesn't reach some people in any way, no matter how many links you don't give them. So I had to start stirring things up a little bit myself.
I have given the most striking difference for these two types.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 03.05.2012 10: 43
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03.05.2012 12:47, Mantispid

Sungaya already has a clear and correct answer on the bulavousym website: http://sungaya.narod.ru/rhop/index.html (on the right, the identifier itself). Unfortunately, it doesn't reach some people in any way, no matter how many links you don't give them. So I had to start stirring things up a little bit myself.
I have given the most striking difference for these two types.

Well, there seems to be not all the families, I don't see the scoop for example wink.gif

03.05.2012 13:01, vasiliy-feoktistov

Well, there doesn't seem to be all the families, I don't see a scoop for example wink.gif

Well, yes, there is only on bulavousym (Rhopalocera), and scoops to raznoustym (Heterocera) belong smile.gif.

04.05.2012 20:44, vasiliy-feoktistov

But the attribute from vasiliy-feoktistov works flawlessly!

To be honest, this is not a sign from me: I just absorbed it "like our father" and, in my opinion, from this forum. Many thanks to the one who " poked my nose "at the timebeer.gif, the sign really works for all 99.999% (unless of course the butterfly's pollen was deliberately erased before being determined) smile.gif
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05.05.2012 15:02, Коллекционер

can you explain the difference between Acronicta psi and acronicta tridens
except at the caterpillar stage

05.05.2012 15:29, okoem

I don't even know if there is such a topic. Therefore, I will ask you to write: if such a topic exists,I will move the post.

IMHO, it would be better to rename from " Distinction ... accessories " to "Defining features".

can you explain the difference between Acronicta psi and acronicta tridens
except at the caterpillar stage

Already discussed in the corresponding topic. Search for help.
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11.05.2012 8:54, aleko

Everything is great. According to bulavousym really Sasha Sungaya moledets, a wonderful determinant made. I often use it myself: it's fast and convenient.
It would be nice to really collect information on double scoops in one pile, otherwise everyone from the world on a thread is hampering themselves, and there is no single determinant weep.gif

11.05.2012 9:07, aleko

My 5 kopecks - a few steps from the site lepiforum.de. I hope the Germans won't be offended by the reprint of their strategic secrets. wink.gif

Scopula marginepunctata (left) and S. incanata (right)
picture: Scopula_marginepunctata_incanata.jpg

Idaea aversata/straminata/deversata
picture: idaea1.jpg
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04.06.2012 14:15, niyaz

Phenotypic differences in species of the genus Leptidea are also visible in the outer edge
of the forewing: convex (sinapis), straight (reali), concave (morsei) and in the intensity of the apical spot color.
picture: 6.JPG

Details of the external structure of female Chlorissa spp. they are expressed in the color of the forehead and in the distance between the two transverse bands of the forewing.
picture: 5.JPG

Differences between Autographa buraetica and Autographa pulchrina species on the underside of the hindwing.
picture: 2.JPG

Amphipyra berbera and Amphipyra pyramidea differ in the color of the underside of the hindwing and the color of the tentacles
picture: 3.JPG
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27.06.2012 22:10, niyaz

Sungaya already has a clear and correct answer on the bulavousym website: http://sungaya.narod.ru/rhop/index.html (on the right, the determinant itself)


Why are images of some butterfly species blacked out on this site and can't be opened at an enlarged size? http://sungaya.narod.ru/hete/psy/psy.htm
And why are there only three fingerflies? Aren't they interesting to anyone? http://sungaya.narod.ru/micro/pter/pter.htm

09.07.2012 13:41, aleko

Why are images of some butterfly species blacked out on this site and can't be opened at an enlarged size? http://sungaya.narod.ru/hete/psy/psy.htm
And why are there only three fingerflies? Aren't they interesting to anyone? http://sungaya.narod.ru/micro/pter/pter.htm


Everything is extremely simple: he scored on the site almost all the species that are on the list of lepidoptera in the Moscow region, but he could not find all of them "live", so he left only pictograms taken from some other places for them. I.e. these are just stubs for future photos, if such species are real they'll show up with him or someone he knows. Especially" tight " with sacks and glasses, these are really complex and rare groups, few people are engaged in them. By the way, if you have something from the "gray" list, you can contact Sasha, the author of the site, and I think he will be happy to use your photo. this way the site will also be updated smile.gif

26.07.2012 9:44, vasiliy-feoktistov

  
PS I would also like to show two similar Catocala species:
C. promissa and C. sponsa. But I can't unfortunately: C. sponsa is available, but C. promissa has never been seen/caught.
Can someone write about them?

Continued reading:
I was lucky enough to find the missing Catocala promissa (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775) and decided to show the most obvious difference between this species and another closely related species, Catocala sponsa (Linnaeus, 1767). First of all, you should pay attention to the shape of the black sash of the rear wing: it is always different in these two species (where there are exclamation marks). Now years have representatives of the genus Catocala (in particular in my region), so the post is just in time.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 26.07.2012 09: 45

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picture: promissa_vs_sponsa.JPG
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26.07.2012 10:55, mikee

Continued reading:
I was lucky enough to find the missing Catocala promissa (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775) and decided to show the most obvious difference between this species and another closely related species, Catocala sponsa (Linnaeus, 1767). First of all, you should pay attention to the shape of the black sash of the rear wing: it is always different in these two species (where there are exclamation marks). Now years have representatives of the genus Catocala (in particular in my region), so the post is just in time.

Catch you a sponsor or something? smile.gif They're flying right now... But the promises, if they still remain, are already killed. Elects flew in last weekend, so Fraxini won't be waiting long either.

26.07.2012 11:17, vasiliy-feoktistov

Catch you a sponsor or something? smile.gif They're flying right now... But the promises, if they still remain, are already killed. Elects flew in last weekend, so Fraxini won't be waiting long either.

Yes, I picked up the first sponsor this year on the balcony this morning: they flew in a piece of Iron (since last year, the problem has ceased to be with us) smile.gif And promissu just the first and see the last frown.gifgot on the same balcony on July 5. Now I'll go on the trunks to rummage where last year it was full of catocals: the weather corresponds to.

26.07.2012 12:06, Alexandr Zhakov

   Catocala promissa (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775) and decided to show the most obvious difference between this species and another closely related species, Catocala sponsa (Linnaeus, 1767). First of all, you should pay attention to the shape of the black sash of the rear wing: it is always different in these two species (where there are exclamation marks).

I will add Vasily. Differences in upper wings: in sponsa, the band between the subcranial and external medial lines is much wider, especially in the center of the wing, and is usually brown in color.
picture: post_51435_1343285035______.jpg
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13.08.2012 17:33, AGG

http://www.linneaforum.it/lepidoptera-21/e...rnata-2711.html
picture: Epirrhoe_rivata_alternata.jpg
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13.08.2012 18:13, Alexandr Zhakov

  http://www.linneaforum.it/lepidoptera-21/e...rnata-2711.html
picture: Epirrhoe_rivata_alternata.jpg

Originally taken from here: http://www.lepiforum.de/cgi-bin/lepiwiki.p...rrhoe_Alternata
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14.08.2012 6:18, AGG

I will not argue - for what I bought, for what I sold
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07.11.2012 21:30, niyaz

How to distinguish Mellicta athalia from Mellicta aurelia?

07.11.2012 23:24, Kharkovbut

How to distinguish Mellicta athalia from Mellicta aurelia?
If you need a precise definition, then by the genitals. Any external signs are IMHO unreliable.
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08.11.2012 11:51, svm2

How to distinguish Mellicta athalia from Mellicta aurelia?

You can try this on fresh samples
of Atalia-Aurelia
picture: athalia_060606_1a.jpgpicture: aurelia_060606_1a.jpg
britomartis
picture: britomartis_060609_3.jpg
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03.01.2013 18:43, niyaz

user posted image
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20.10.2013 2:01, TEMPUS

  http://www.linneaforum.it/lepidoptera-21/e...rnata-2711.html
picture: Epirrhoe_rivata_alternata.jpg

I can't seem to use this feature. frown.gif
Can someone here VERBALLY explain exactly where to look (especially for the sign indicated here as a)?

This post was edited by TEMPUS - 10/20/2013 02: 03

20.10.2013 8:08, Ilia Ustiantcev

Alternata has a wavy black line running down the middle of the white sash. In rivata, this line is practically absent, so the baldric, with the exception of the upper part, is almost completely white. But I can't say anything about fringe.
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28.12.2013 22:35, niyaz

How to distinguish Lithostege farinata (Hufnagel, 1767) from Lithostege griseata (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)?

28.12.2013 23:32, кай-я

How to distinguish Lithostege farinata (Hufnagel, 1767) from Lithostege griseata (Denis & Schiffermuller, 1775)?

By a series of butterflies from my collection - by the color of the hind wings. In Lithostege farinata, they are almost white, and in Lithostege griseata, they have a noticeable gray coating. I haven't photographed my specimens yet, the photo of straightened butterflies was taken from http://www.lepiforum.de/lepiwiki.pl

picture: Lithostege.jpg
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11.09.2014 13:42, vasiliy-feoktistov

"Classic".... But it wasn't in the topic yet smile.gif
Pheosia tremula vs Pheosia gnoma
image: gnoma_tremula. png
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13.02.2015 12:19, Bianor

Maybe someone has the same comparison of species of the genus Euphia?

13.02.2015 13:35, Alexandr Zhakov

Maybe someone has the same comparison of species of the genus Euphia?

???? no error?

13.02.2015 13:47, Bianor

???? no error?

There is an achipyatka - Euphyia

13.02.2015 17:03, AGG

this isn't going to work? http://www.dlc.fi/~peterpa/lepi/epirrhoe/epirrhoe.htm
http://www.lepiforum.de/lepiwiki.pl?Euphyia_Unangulata

This post was edited by AGG-13.02.2015 17: 08

13.02.2015 19:35, Bianor

this isn't going to work? http://www.dlc.fi/~peterpa/lepi/epirrhoe/epirrhoe.htm
http://www.lepiforum.de/lepiwiki.pl?Euphyia_Unangulata

I can't figure out where to look to reliably distinguish Euphyia cineraria from Euphyia unangulata. Here's cineraria:

user posted image

At first glance, it is clear, a darker butterfly, without a light band at the root of the front wing. But in the series it turns out a complete continuity from very light, to such dark ones.

14.02.2015 9:45, AGG

Euphyia cineraria is a Far Eastern species and is not familiar frown.gifto me I can only suggest to cook a few exes and look for differences in the wing pattern
here are the genitals of the male unangulata
picture: __________.JPG
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14.02.2015 15:47, AGG

..but it is better to contact specialists who have dealt with this species, I am sure there are some here or at least literature will help
PS genitals of the male unangulata-a drawing from the "fauna of Poland 1965", probably there are also females, I didn't go deep, sorry wink.gifif you didn't download them at the time, now look for the authors-they are redesigned the site wink.gif
PPS we are waiting for a photo with explanations in the corresponding topic wink.gifgood luck beer.gif

This post was edited by AGG-02/14/2015 16: 02

14.02.2015 16:01, svm2

Here it is somewhat better, you need a female, I can take a picture with GME3
http://www.dissectiongroup.co.uk/page1001.html
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14.02.2015 16:05, AGG

still aedeagus is better separately shuffle.gifand a female would not hurt rolleyes.gif

This post was edited by AGG-02/14/2015 16: 06

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