E-mail: Password: Create an Account Recover password

About Authors Contacts Get involved Русская версия

show

How many volts will kill a butterfly?

Community and ForumEntomological collectionsHow many volts will kill a butterfly?

Tyomochkin, 02.05.2006 22:51

Then the trap-making project was imposed. Butterflies should be electrocuted! I don't know how many volts to use. In general, they say that 120 does not take!

Comments

02.05.2006 23:35, Дядя ФАКСер

And the current strength-what?
Count from the breakdown conditions of 2-3mm of air ( just according to the dielectric parameters it will be-like chitin)

02.05.2006 23:41, Насекомовед

Pay attention not to the voltage (volts), but to the current (amps).

03.05.2006 8:23, Nilson

You need to look at the links to American electric traps. I'm not sure, however, that there will be characteristics...

03.05.2006 12:02, Bad Den

220 should be enough in excess, I mean if you power it from the usual household power grid, there is just an order with the current strength.

03.05.2006 15:25, RippeR

The main thing is not to burn the poor lol.gifthings

03.05.2006 15:55, Nilson

Well, that's the main problem. In bourgeois and Chinese devices, insects seem to partially burn.

03.05.2006 15:59, Bad Den

In fact, the bourgeois ones are designed for this very thing, in order to guarantee to kill an insect, because they seem to be sharpened, mainly against mosquitoes-all sorts of mosquitoes. Theoretically, if you weaken the current strength, you can simply jam the insect, which will then fall into the stain, for example, with ethyl acetate...

This post was edited by Bad Den-05/03/2006 16: 01

03.05.2006 22:36, okoem

As a professional electronics engineer, I can say that for electric shock, of course, it is the current strength that is important.
The current strength, in turn, is a derivative value, and is defined as the voltage divided by the resistance: I=U/R.
When making a trap, we can only adjust the output "voltage", because it is beyond our ability to change the resistance of the insect. To find out what voltage to set, you need to know the electrical resistance of the insect and the current required to stun it.
The electrical resistance of the insect is very high, because chitin is located outside the body, which is a dielectric and does not conduct current. Try it, catch an insect and measure its resistance with an ohms meter :-)
Therefore, it is obvious that the voltage should be quite high, I think that Uncle Faxer is right, the voltage should break through 2-3 mm of air, i.e.e. the" idle " voltage of the source should be about 2000...3000 Volts. Burn an insect from such a "voltage" will not burn, because the current strength will be very small, (This is only in the American cinema from the electric circuit, everything burns for a long time and beautifully :- ) and the voltage itself will drop by a certain amount, depending on the resistance of the insect's body and the internal resistance of the high-voltage source itself.
As for the intensity of the current, which is fatal to the insect, what I do not know, I do not know. For a person, about 0.1 amps is fatal, if I'm not mistaken. An insect will probably have enough for a smaller one.

But what I can't imagine is how to do it so that the poor bug took and yes and connected to the terminals???
-----
2Bad Den-The current strength when using the 220v network (and at any other voltage) is determined by the resistance of the connected load. If you connect a radio receiver, then there will be a small current, and if an iron, then a large one.
Remember how the electric meter starts spinning when the electric heater is turned on.
- - - - -
2Tyomochin-I think that if you pierce the chitin of an insect with electrodes to which a voltage of 120 volts is applied and get to its wet, and therefore potentially electrically conductive insides, then it will not seem enough to it:- ) It all depends again on the electrical resistance of the object.
Try replacing the thick wires that go to the car starter with ordinary ones, such as from household electrical wiring, and see if the starter starts.
Likes: 2

04.05.2006 10:09, Bad Den


But what I can't imagine is how to make the poor bug take and yes and connect to the terminals???

Probably a similar principle applies to live fences... In the end, bourgeois traps are just like that-the grid is energized...

20.12.2007 5:31, А.Й.Элез

Did not take and 220, with any (!) locations of the electrodes on the body. Just the twitch of a butterfly, the spark, the smoke, and the stink of burnt hide. In a critical situation, I had to test this method on Parnassius apollo ssp. merzbacheri. More alive than ever.

20.12.2007 17:56, okoem

Did not take and 220, with any (!) locations of the electrodes on the body. Just the twitch of a butterfly, the spark, the smoke, and the stink of burnt hide. In a critical situation, I had to test this method on Parnassius apollo ssp. merzbacheri. They've become more lively than ever.

I think insects need a few kilovolts, or a few tens of kilovolts. And 220 is not a big voltage. It's not suitable for an automatic electric trap. But I think that if you try, then the insect can most likely be fried with it.
The fact that your insects became even more lively somehow does not agree well with your own words that smoke was coming out of them. Once there was smoke, it means that the current in the local area has reached such a force that the conducting area has heated up to the burning temperature. What did you burn then, if the butterflies are still alive, and not disabled?
Bend a piece of thin wire and stick both ends into the wall outlet. Bang!!!!!!!! The wire burned, the traffic jams flew out; -))

22.12.2007 4:34, RippeR

In general, it's time to make traps on motion detectors, which will determine the coordinates of the target and shoot them with pins, and stick everything around with foam.. you can even just straighten it out with lol.gif

02.03.2009 1:11, А.Й.Элез

I think insects need a few kilovolts, or a few tens of kilovolts. And 220 is not a big voltage. It's not suitable for an automatic electric trap. But I think that if you try, then the insect can most likely be fried with it.
The fact that your insects became even more lively somehow does not agree well with your own words that smoke was coming out of them. Once there was smoke, it means that the current in the local area has reached such a force that the conducting area has heated up to the burning temperature. What did you burn then, if the butterflies are still alive, and not disabled?
Bend a piece of thin wire and stick both ends into the wall outlet. Bang!!!!!!!! The wire burned, the traffic jams flew out; -))

I'm surprised myself. I tried everything on one copy, but I didn't see any point in spoiling others. Only volosnya burned, it did not affect its viability. And it did not burn for the entire length between the electrodes, but only at the points of contact of the electrodes. And the experience was limited to three or four attempts. Perhaps I would have been able to torment the bug in the end, it is not made of stone, but here the question is discussed-how many volts will kill , so I definitely could not kill it in this way.And since I needed to kill it, I stopped torturing it in vain.

This post was edited by A. J. Elez-02.03.2009 01: 14

25.04.2023 11:01, surch0306

The main thing is not to burn the poor things

New comment

Note: you should have a Insecta.pro account to upload new topics and comments. Please, create an account or log in to add comments.

* Our website is multilingual. Some comments have been translated from other languages.

Random species of the website catalog

Insecta.pro: international entomological community. Terms of use and publishing policy.

Project editor in chief and administrator: Peter Khramov.

Curators: Konstantin Efetov, Vasiliy Feoktistov, Svyatoslav Knyazev, Evgeny Komarov, Stan Korb, Alexander Zhakov.

Moderators: Vasiliy Feoktistov, Evgeny Komarov, Dmitriy Pozhogin, Alexandr Zhakov.

Thanks to all authors, who publish materials on the website.

© Insects catalog Insecta.pro, 2007—2024.

Species catalog enables to sort by characteristics such as expansion, flight time, etc..

Photos of representatives Insecta.

Detailed insects classification with references list.

Few themed publications and a living blog.