Soaking insects

friends tell me mikra (moth. leaf wrappers and so on) normally lend themselves to soaking or fresh edit? Thanks !

friends tell me mikra (moth. leaf wrappers and so on) normally lend themselves to soaking or fresh edit?   Thanks !

edit fresh - optimal! if you soak, it is much more convenient from the tattoo. it's harder with mattresses...

Thanks! I basically thought so) with mattresses, I can't even imagine how..

Thickheads before spreading, for 10 minutes, can be pricked in the chest with hot water. The drop should be very small, so that the butterfly does not get wet (insulin syringe). Then it is necessary to "do exercises", stretch the joints with tweezers, squeezing and releasing the breast. When the butterfly is pricked, lower the wings down with tweezers and squeeze the breast. Then I hope everything works out.
I've straightened a hundred-year-old butterfly before. Straightened normally, but not dried.
It was necessary not to rush to remove from the straightener. It is better to hold it for three weeks. Otherwise, over time, they begin to disform.

Thank you for the great way
This is how the completely shrunken Borbo borbonica zelleri (Lederer, 1855) from Lebanon was treated. Helped with a bang

we pour half the volume of boiling water into a plastic container, put a piece of foam on the surface with butterflies spread out on it, close the lid and wait for 15 minutes. then we prick each butterfly lightly with ammonia, close the lid again and wait for another 15 minutes, after which you can straighten it. If you do not overdo it and do everything carefully-the green color remains without problems.

who did it? write down how you did it
I kept 5 minutes-mikroukol-5 minutes papilionary-utter xxx can the water is bitter? who measured the tempera? 2 of the 3 immediately "bent", and further actions with them were simply unthinkable, one spread out 3/4 yellow.
I tried soaking in sand "with rapid heating" - I messed up a series of shovels from Borneo - everything turned yellow.
if not far and not for long, then I drive butterflies half-dead in an envelope-I caught a scoop, so one side is green, the other is yellow (left/right)

HOW!!!???

if a dry beetle, when turned over, makes a sound as if there is sand in it, is it 100% that it is devoured by leatherworms?

Hello, such a problem... In the first time I encountered this, after spreading the beetle, drying and removing it, I noticed that it was not at all high. the joints are all mobile, although the cox is decent, about a week, and when I got it, I "unpacked"it, it emitted some completely uncharacteristic smell of some chemical... I don't even know how to describe this smell, so what can you do with it? can I soak it in something?

Alternatively, dry it for another week.
If the beetle is large, then 1 week may not be enough, depending on the humidity in the room.

Alternatively, dry it for another week.
If the beetle is large, then 1 week may not be enough, it depends on the humidity in the room.

Yes, it depends on the size and humidity in the room. Also, and which group the bug is from. For example, relatively large ones (far from huge - by tropical standards ) chernotelki dry for a very long time.

Adesmii do not dry at all. A MONTH!!! dried in the sun straightened on the foam, still the legs go down. You need to glue it together.

Alternatively, dry it for another week.
If the beetle is large, then 1 week may not be enough, it depends on the humidity in the room.

At me makrodpntiya of 165 mm dries in 2 days on a dryer for fruit, tpri temperature 55 and circulation from below, and this small, approximately 70 mm, from lukanid,
at first dried in the usual way, then put on a dryer together with others, those dried up, and everything is normal, yesterday threw in water, I think to soak so the water is some kind of red - yellow color. what is the reason for this I don't know

I forgot to write that it was covered with a white coating, cloudy, easily removed with a cotton swab

I'd add liquid soap to the water, or better yet, Faerie. Change the water as soon as it turns yellow.

Adesmii do not dry at all. A MONTH!!! dried in the sun straightened on the foam, still the legs go down. You need to glue it together.

My hair is dry. Not in the sun, in the apartment, in the closet. But removed from the foam after 3.5 months.

I live in a concrete house on the 9th floor,everything dries with a bang in winter, without cabinets and heaters,humidity-sometimes 0, 0, but in the summer, especially in 2013, drying was longer, pro-sun, if the humidity is high, it doesn't really matter, only the oven will help, or keep in E. acetatein order to avoid rotting and subsequent decomposition,at the same time kill all parasites, then dry in good conditions.About desert species-they give up moisture more slowly than others, due to their adaptability to limit moisture loss, IMHO.

Guys, does anyone have any experience soaking without using water? Alcohol, esters, and acetone. But not with water?

Guys, does anyone have any experience soaking without using water? Alcohol, esters, and acetone. But not with water?

And why use active soaking fluids? Moreover, almost everyone is now stained with ethyl acetate or nail wash containing it. Ethyl acetate as a plasticizer, by the way, is used in film archives to process old films so that they regain elasticity.
There is nothing better than water (or rather a wet chamber) for soaking.

Water instantly hydrolyzes DNA and provokes the multiplication of bacteria. The point is to put on a needle a material that is then suitable for molecular research.

The trouble is that water is a natural solvent, which in this case has no alternative. You can add antiseptics or antimycotics to the water, but you can't completely replace the water. For example, the acetone you mentioned is one of the ways to dewaterize the material. After its exposure, the material will be very difficult to soak even with water. If it is necessary to preserve undisturbed material, it is better to separate the body parts before soaking and glue them under the steamed and straightened material on separate dies. For example, in butterflies, you can separate the legs without compromising their appearance and leave them for genetic research.

After re-reading this topic, as well as "Soaking insects", I will assume that a very effective method for preserving the freshness of an insect is to cool it while not allowing it to dry out. Suppose we are dealing with mattresses (located in a food container) and a tattoo (in any suitable box). What is the best way to organize cooling in the field? Cooler bag with cooling elements? Maybe something should be laid between the mattresses so that the cotton wool does not dry much?

A little water and a few drops of vinegar that's all

I have a simple recipe: steal everything you need in your wife's kitchen - a pot, dish washing sponges, vinegar and water.

Sponges are cut transversely to half, water is poured into the pan, 9% vinegar is added, butterflies are inserted into the slots, up to the wings.

Soaked in a day.

Z,S, cover the hole in the lid(if any) with a tampon.
The lid should be rounded so that it does not drip on the material.

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Friends, tell me how to soak sticks? Thank You

A few years ago, I got 5 liters of technical alcohol, which I poured into the desiccator for soaking. Now it is over and, apparently, we will have to pour water. Buying vodka for these purposes is a bit expensive. What do you recommend as an antiseptic for water?

A few years ago, I got 5 liters of technical alcohol, which I poured into the desiccator for soaking. Now it is over and, apparently, we will have to pour water. Buying vodka for these purposes is a bit expensive. What do you recommend as an antiseptic for water?

Pharmacies sell any antiseptic for hands or ask your medical friends.

Alcohol is bad to soak, there must be water in the solution, and 20% alcohol is enough.

Pharmacies sell any antiseptic

Not all of them.

Friends, tell me how to soak sticks? Thanks

Just like the others, I think.

vodka for these purposes is a bit expensive.

Vodka should be used differently!!!

And how to soak dragonflies, bedbugs, erectus, diptera and hymenoptera?

This post was edited by Vasily L. - 10.04.2015 15: 05

But I got the material after the spider traps with formalin.Several times I put it in hot water with fairies,and the material is spread out with a bang-and the mustache is just a fairy tale-they are immediately straight and non-hanging-so the devil is not as terrible as he is painted!!!!

Maxim, are you talking about my beetles by any chance? Please describe the technology in more detail. Q: if it's hot water, then why the fae? in order to launder? I just use it to avoid mold

About yours, Rom, about yours....Fairy always drips a little, imho, while soaking in water, all the surface dirt falls off along with the outer fats.After drying, for example, all the beetles prenepremenno throw in gasoline-galoshes for a couple of days - and only then, glue and put in razpredkorobku.The bug's journey from material to collector's item is difficult and tedious!!!!!

By the way - after gasoline on the elytra there are fats-here I wipe them with a stick moistened with weasel-carefully, after booze this lucche do not do-be sure to break off someone, for example-the tips of the mustache-and then the bug runs from copy to material-very quickly

Did you ask for more details about hot water or boiling water, how much do you keep and how many times do you change it? Are you confusing my formalin ones and my vinegar ones?

On a separate mattress from the Caucasus-Adamsy and K. G. Leander-blue, green cumanuses, the whole process-tap water-55C, container, fairy 5kapel, shaken-threw all-lay down-in the evening so-everything-on the trail morning-so-and in the evening of the 2nd day I try-poluchayetso-well, all you can still send a bag, only other types-if possible.....

R. S. forgot-you need to open the hot tap!!!!

I always do this: an ordinary food container, two paper towels moistened with water at the bottom-two more dry ones at the top.Then directly on dry towels I smooth out insects.I add Skor or Horus (rigid system fungicides) no more than 1 ml.On the battery - and voila!!!Hawk moth is soaked in less than a day. The main thing is not to overdo it-
otherwise they get wet completely and then there is a wet piece of something that is not clear and not at all up to straightening (I had such an experience - I went on a business trip).And the daytime ones are ready in 4-5 hours, pigeons and other small things are even faster. THE main thing is to watch and move the wings and antennae

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IMHO, if only a day on the battery-fungicides are unnecessary. I used almost the same method, only instead of dry paper towels - cotton wool. And it seems to me. that you forgot something, namely to mention the butterfly cover on top. Otherwise, they will certainly get wet from the "rain" of condensate. Also, from my own experience, I will say that one day is not always enough, and on the second day the plasen really begins to grow. Since there were no fungicides at hand, I tried pouring vodka instead of water to prevent mold growth. The result is positive. alcohol vapors inhibit the appearance of mushrooms for about a week, then they still overcome (determined by the tray that fell behind the battery and was forgotten there for two weeks). Mold, if a little bit of it, is perfectly removed from the insect's body with pin 00, slightly bent at the end. But this is a painstaking task, binoculars do not hurt. Hymenoptera and beetles are pre-soaked in 70% alcohol - the mold then comes off better. Sometimes it was disfigured to "bring back to life" seemingly completely overgrown specimens. In the case of hymenoptera, the main problem is the destruction of the wing bases by fungi - they often fall off during distribution. All other places, including the legs, antennae and oral apparatus in the wet form are cleaned with a pin from the mycelium just fine.

PS Now I read about gasoline and suddenly remembered that my pathos has been floating forgotten in it for six months. I'll have to see what happened to her tomorrow."

I have a styrofoam stall that sells chicken meat.Put dry napkins on the bottom of the tray and butterflies on the napkins. If the napkins are changed every two days, then the material lies without problems in the desiccator for a week. If I use the desiccator often, I drain the water and wash it with soap.