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Necrocephalus, 09.04.2007 22:51

The other day I found in a ravine an inhabited burrow of some rather large, judging by the diameter of the burrow, animal. I think that this is a fox hole - the one who lives there is clearly a predator (there are a lot of feathers of dead birds near the hole-apparently the owner had a snack), and apart from the fox in the middle zone, there seem to be no predators of suitable dimensions. Naturally, the idea came up to try to find out which coleoptera found shelter in this burrowsmile.gif, but I don't know how I can get these beetles out of there. At Yuferev's, I read something about bait wrapped in a rag, tied to a wire and pushed into a hole. But Genrikh Ivanovich himself, after a whole series of almost useless attempts to catch beetles by this method, concludes that it is not viable. He also set simple soil traps at the entrance to the burrows. To me, the latter method seems insufficiently productive - only those beetles that migrate to and from the burrow will be caught (if at all), and those that live in the burrow and are not going to climb out will remain untouched.
Then there was the Darrell - esque idea of smoking a fox out of a hole, then digging up the hole and carefully examining its contents.
I would be grateful for references to the literature on the study of mammalian burrows. Especially interested in the research methods, but the results too smile.gif
Perhaps someone has already been fishing for nidicoles - in this case, please share your experience.

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09.04.2007 23:17, omar

Interesting topic! In addition to the fox, a badger lives in similar burrows. It seems to me that beetles of this plan should go for 2 types of baits: rotten meat and fermented wine-beer. Although I myself have not tried this method yet - I have not frown.gifcome across such burrows, but I would not dig up a hole for sure - there is a lot of hemorrhoids, and everything interesting will still be covered with earth and buried in it.

09.04.2007 23:42, Aleksey Adamov

In our RO, one person was engaged in opening burrows (mainly ground squirrels), as part of the topic on "coleoptera of the RO and neighboring regions (I don't remember exactly)". There were 10 species of beetles not included. nowhere else but the burrows. These are mainly ground beetles and staphylinae.

There is only one way to mine-the analysis of soil samples during the excavation of the burrow. But fox and badger burrows (one burrow can be both fox and badger in different years) are huge, a ton of soil will need to be sorted out.

I dream of unearthing a mound of mound mice. But there is no time for this crime yet.

09.04.2007 23:46, americanecz

Maybe something like this thing on a string to throw in there? shuffle.gif
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09.04.2007 23:52, Aleksey Adamov

If the burrow is inhabited, then the trap will not stand for a day.

09.04.2007 23:55, americanecz

and what will become of her?
well, they'll eat it, kid... in the end, it can be stupidly tied up!

10.04.2007 0:00, Aleksey Adamov

They'll throw her out, the ropes won't help. She won't have time to catch anything. But you can try it.
I think you need to be more careful around residential cat holes. There's a bunch of parasites, which are hosh.

10.04.2007 0:09, americanecz

KEVLAR CORD! AND A LEAD FLASK! Here'S WHAT WE NEED!!!!!!!

10.04.2007 0:14, Aleksey Adamov

jump.gif beer.gif Yes, very much...

Maybe things that smell like people at the entrances to the burrow will help. They will alert a fox (badger), maybe they will scare it away, it will "nervously smoke in the coredor" 100 meters from the burrow.
You can mark the territory in a classic way for this purpose. beer.gif beer.gif beer.gif beer.gif beer.gif beer.gif beer.gif redface.gif

10.04.2007 0:17, Aleksey Adamov

By the way, and in the hole you can cram a huge bunch of cotton wool (as an excuse. above) soaked in bait+poison (such as DDT).

10.04.2007 0:18, americanecz

By the way, beer is an indispensable helper!!!
it's just time to make alliances with hunters they are the beast we are the beetle!

10.04.2007 0:21, Aleksey Adamov

Yes, encourage them to dig a hole. I know such cases (my uncle used to catch them when he was drunk), .... ethanol does wonders for hunters....

10.04.2007 0:28, americanecz

It seems to me, or we with you fludim???
What do you think, Mr. Adamov??7
Let's get back to the topic of conversation!

10.04.2007 0:33, Aleksey Adamov

Maybe fludim.

I would have decided to dig it, would have looked for helpers. And a way to quickly analyze the soil. samples.
The rest, in my opinion, is not quite a serious alternative.

10.04.2007 2:40, Vadim Yakubovich

And I have a trained dachshund, she will get a fox, but how to negotiate with her about beetles? confused.gif

This post was edited by Sergeich - 10.04.2007 02: 40

10.04.2007 8:22, omar

Sergeyich, everything is in your hands! And to excavate a badger or fox hole, which can extend tens of meters, seems to me a utopian idea. tongue.gif

10.04.2007 8:28, KDG

Naturally, there was an idea to try to find out which of the coleoptera found shelter in this burrow smile.gif

Sometimes the result is simply shoveling the soil out of the hole to the length of an arm / shovel and then carefully analyzing it. There are burrowing Staphylinidae, Histeridae, Onthophagus, Trox (on the sand - eversmani)and any very small animal. In addition, many beetles simply use the burrow as a temporary shelter-Curculionidae (I have met hundreds of Ptochus in some burrows), Tenebrionidae, Dorcadion.
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10.04.2007 8:40, omar

A shovel with a long and curved handle is a good idea. The American trap will do, too. I approve.
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10.04.2007 15:05, stierlyz

In principle, apart from the above-mentioned excavations and soil traps, they didn't come up with anything else sensible. In residential burrows, their owners will throw out all sorts of baits and traps. It's another matter-it would be better to dig up the ENTIRE burrow and sift - sort through the litter in the nest or in the toilet, but how to implement this in practice? I have read many times about interesting beetles in molehills, and the mole has a shallow nest. But something I dug and dug, not a single nest was found, although in the gallery itself I came across a nidikolnaya Choleva. And in our region there are practically no moles, and the nests of ground squirrels and mole rats are oh so deep. In addition to the groups mentioned above, there is a recently described Limnastis (Carabidae) in burrows (at least in the Left-bank Ukraine). A new Aphodius was found and described during the excavation of mole rat passages in 1996, and we recently found out where the mysterious Onthophagus furciceps, better known as kindermanni, lives.

This post was edited by stierlyz - 04/10/2007 15: 47
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10.04.2007 17:01, Bad Den

Moles usually make their nests (or bedrooms, I don't know how) under large flat rocks or snags in meadows. Once I turned over such a cobblestone (I almost turned my nail out with meatsmile.gif) and just came across something like a nest. The owner, however, slipped into the tunnel, but left behind a "gift" - the beetle Leptinus testaceus smile.gif
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10.04.2007 18:00, stierlyz

On occasion, I advise you to sift through the nests of moles and various rodents, as well as birds. It is advisable to process residential nests. There may be some very interesting animals there. Well, Leptinus, as practice has shown, in the Carpathians is not uncommon in the litter in the summer.
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10.04.2007 20:01, omar

www.kaefer-der-welt.de Here you can see a high quality photo of this bug cool.gif
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10.04.2007 20:45, Necrocephalus

Thank you all for your tips!

2 The American: an interesting trap. I have already more or less thought out how to construct such a thing from improvised materials - a half-liter plastic bottle and a couple of meters of wire. Perhaps if you take a wire that is hard enough and fix it at the entrance to the burrow so that it cannot be pushed out with the trap, then it will stand in the burrow for enough time for beetles to crawl into it. There are blackthorn bushes right at the entrance to the hole , so you can tie a wire to them.

2 Omar: excuse me, but where does this data about the length of the fox hole come from? Could it really be tens of meters long? In this case, the idea of digging a hole is really not very successful...

I'll probably try setting up a frome Americana trap smile.giffirst, and explore the ground at the beginning of the burrow, as KDG recommends. And then we'll see - it's possible that in the end I'll still take up the shovel smile.gif.
By the way, about mole dwellings - D. G. Wood in his book "Nests, burrows and dens" writes that you should look not in open spaces, but near bushes, trees and other natural masking objects. Moreover, these nests are located so close to the surface of the earth that an experienced eye is able to find them among the surrounding landscape by a characteristic elevation, like a small gentle hillock. It is possible that if you seriously mess up on this topic, then over time you can really learn to " see " the lairs of moles. And what riches there are... smile.gif

This post was edited by Necrocephalus - 04/10/2007 20: 46
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10.04.2007 21:32, Aleksey Adamov

Thank you all for your tips!

2 Omar: excuse me, but where does this data about the length of the fox hole come from? Could it really be tens of meters long? In this case, the idea of digging a hole is really not very successful...


The total length of the passages will be measured in tens of meters (depending on the age of the burrow and the former owners). The volume that they (moves) occupy (fit into it) is not so large. But one person will have to kill a day (without sorting the soil, putting it in a bag). There is really no need to dig the whole hole, curiosity can be satisfied with the most used part of it.

This post was edited by Adamov - 10.04.2007 21: 35

10.04.2007 22:11, omar

I heard about the total length of the burrow from a well-known mink hunter. Jagd-terrier dragged a lot of badgers and foxes. smile.gif

11.04.2007 8:40, Bad Den

By the way, do not forget to be careful when digging burrows of various small animals (especially mouse-like rodents). In the litter there are a lot of fleas and ticks, which can be carriers of various diseases (it is not known what the rat is sick smile.gifwith)
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11.04.2007 19:52, Necrocephalus

2 Adamov: I'm afraid that even if the burrow is only a dozen meters long, then it will not be enough for one person to dig it out, unless it is only in the trash to dig up this burrowsmile.gif, plus you also need to take soil samples along the way - you will not order the whole earth to be dismantled in a row? So a couple of bags of earth, in which usually put potatoes, will have to sift smile.gifHere Just right to hire a team of diggers, and a couple of girls who will patiently sift the earth right there, on the spot ... smile.gif
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11.04.2007 20:16, omar

You can hire a team of diggers, and a couple of girls who will patiently sift the ground right there...
Yes, yes, girls. But it is better not a couple, but three, and that they work synchronously, and that they are cute in short skirts...
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11.04.2007 22:06, алекс 2611

A couple or even three girls... Young people, young people... Maybe it's better to have one after all?

11.04.2007 23:08, Aleksey Adamov

2 Adamov: I'm afraid that even if the burrow is only a dozen meters long, then it will not be enough for one person to dig it out, unless it is only in the trash to dig up this burrowsmile.gif, plus you also need to take soil samples along the way - you will not order the whole earth to be dismantled in a row? You'll have to sift through a couple of sacks of dirt that you usually put potatoes in, so you'll smile.gifhave to hire a team of diggers and a couple of girls who will patiently sift through the earth right there... smile.gif

Hunters dig up in a couple of hours (if not in the trash). The task, probably, is to remove more of the "litter" located as far away from the exit as possible. Naturally, the whole burrow kolupat not why.

11.04.2007 23:12, Aleksey Adamov

By the way, I looked for a hole in the slope today. So far, I've only blocked the passageways with sticks to find out if it's residential or not. If it's residential , I'll dig...

11.04.2007 23:29, Guest

the main thing is that no homeless person lives in this hole smile.gif))
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12.04.2007 9:02, omar

A couple or even three girls... Young people, young people... Maybe it's better to have one after all?

Alas, I am no longer young. frown.gif So beetles are more important.
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12.04.2007 11:58, KDG

[quote=Necrocephalus,10.04.2007 20:45]
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12.04.2007 14:06, RippeR

after your discussions, it is the American's proposal that becomes the most interesting-see the photo above.. Maybe you will try this out first, than from Paris to Nakhodka to dig?

12.04.2007 15:26, americanecz

D iam delov that!
The bottle sawed the neck inside inserted and mustache ok!
I didn't try it myself, though, just the first thing that came to mind...
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12.04.2007 16:13, Bad Den

Does a fox or badger pick up a plastic bottle? Probably, you still need to glue the connection of the neck and the main part. Although, of course, this probably won't help much. True, after all, if a person will smell, they may not touch...

12.04.2007 16:46, americanecz

Ok!
If the plastic bottle does not seem reliable to you, then you can use tin cans ala "comet " or"pemolyux"!
Stick the neck of a plastic bottle inside and go!

12.04.2007 16:46, americanecz

In extreme cases, you can use cans!

12.04.2007 18:55, stierlyz

Or maybe it's better to share practical experience, as someone has already done somewhere, rather than discuss the illusory prospects for using plastic and cans? This, by the way, also concerns the fees of myrmecophiles in the "neighboring" branch.

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