Noctuidae: Amphipyrinae, Psaphidinae

  Amphipyra pyramidea (Linnaeus, 1758) и Amphipyra berbera Rungs, 1949

Both species usually fly together.
A day together in the same birdhouse. Hungary, oak forest, July.

- is there a simple and reliable way to distinguish between these types (sorry if the question is banal)

It already happened
http://www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/vie...amidea_-_be.jpg

- thank you for the link to the photo. Well, the differences are not very obvious to me. But there is no text for them - what exactly should I pay attention to?

And "already happened" - where exactly? The search results show the topic "Identifying Butterflies", which has 252 pages...

Just a question of what was caught in the Belgorod region just now and believe that it is pyramidea, and berbera is very rare. But how can this be so?

Thanks!

Yes, here is mine ?berbera was tortured http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=133596&st=9050

- is there a simple and reliable way to distinguish between these types (sorry if the question is banal)

By the way, Oleg, in which biotopes should we look for this species?

According to NE9, Amphipyra perflua lives in warm, moist oak forests with a large amount of hazel (the main food plant).

Based on my experience and information from my colleagues, a butterfly needs mountains. In Ukraine I caught it here http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=UTF-8&hl=en...0Ukraine&tab=il, in Hungary here http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Zempl%...F-8&sa=N&tab=il. You can Google images of the area and get an idea of the biotope.

So I don't have any mountains at all? Strange, by God!

According to NE9, Amphipyra perflua lives in warm, moist oak forests with a large amount of hazel (the main food plant).

Based on my experience and information from my colleagues, a butterfly needs mountains.

We have in the Omsk region mountains and did not smell, however, the view exists. Although I personally haven't collected it yet... In the place where the species was collected, hazelnuts were also not noticed, not to mention oaks... I wonder what he lives on here...

Then Ulmus and Salix.

in this case, only Salix remains, because Ulmus is found here only in artificial plantings and even then infrequently! Can't crataegus be their food source?

I don't know about crataegus. Maciej's website also lists Lonicera http://www.leps.it/index.htm

Peder Skou calls hazel Corylus avellana, honeysuckle Lonicera xylosteum and tatarica, Prunus and snowberry Symphoricarpos for Sweden, Denmark and Finland.

And in pursuit of quite frequent Amphipyra (Amphipyra) berbera Rungs, 1949.
The butterfly was caught at the same time and on the same balcony as the previous one.

This is still A. pyramidea. The lower prong is clearly shorter than the previous one.

And in pursuit of a fairly frequent Amphipyra (Amphipyra) pyramidea Linnaeus, 1758.
The butterfly was caught at the same time and on the same balcony as the previous one.
Many thanks to barko for correcting the definition.

Was this photo processed in Photoshop?

Here's how the French offer to distinguish them by their underwear (this is a scan from under Photoshop).
Michael Chinery "Insectes de France et d'Europe occidentale" Arthaud, Paris, 1988.

If anyone can apply this feature, please let us know

Well, then, maybe it's already A. berbera?

If anyone can apply this feature, please let us know

if you mean the degree of lightening of the underside of the rear cr. at the root, then the difference is noticeable.
Despite the unimportant photos, all the above signs can be traced:
1. the position of the lower tooth on the front wing
2. degree of lightening of the underside of the rear wing
3. on the underside of the trans. cr. the character of the bend of the postmedial line.

In general, what source is this picture from?
(The svm2 link doesn't make it clear what kind of site it is.)

Here in the Omsk region ...Although I personally haven't collected it yet...

It did happen and I caught her
Amphipyra perflua (Fabricius, 1787)
Omsk Region, July 25, 2010 In the southern taiga, into the light. Biotope - a blueberry-type pine forest with birch, aspen, willow, bird cherry, hawthorn, viburnum, raspberry, rosehip, currant.