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PlazmaGoD, 31.12.2005 12:43

Dear entomologists, have you read this article?! Grebennikov
Please tell us who thinks what.
Happy New Year 2006 to all of you!

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31.12.2005 16:19, Dracus

I have always treated Grebennikov with respect and see no reason not to trust him. On the other hand, if he had started by disclosing technical details rather than writing a nonfiction book, the facts would have been much better. actically, the information provided does not provide any solid evidence in favor of his theory and developments; he did not even give the "unusual appearance" with which it all began! Even though he's dead, everyone will soon forget about it. But you can't check it because there are no schematics. Experiments placed at the end are not serious, he should have remembered that physics is the queen of all natural sciences, and without the effects recorded by instruments (existing or created by the inventor himself), no discovery of this kind and scale can and should not be recognized.

01.01.2006 6:35, PlazmaGoD

I corresponded with Cherednichenko and here is his quote:
The question of anti-gravity in insects requires experimental confirmation by independent researchers. This can be done very simply. Determine anisotropy of elytra mass in different insects. If such anisotropy is detected, the nanostructure should be studied and experiments should be performed with composite materials based on such a nanostructural organization.
How to determine the mass anisotropy. Take the elytra of various insects, place them on an accurate damper or electronic scale and measure the mass with a tosn of up to dm/m of the order of 10^-3.
Then turn the elytra over on the other side and repeat weighing. If a mass defect is observed that depends on the weighing position, the structure of the elytra creates a vector of uncompensated force directed against (or along) the vector of the gravitational field.
But I think that this effect should be active, i.e. observed in live insects, and not in amputated elytra. The structure of the elytra requires some kind of ether-energy pumping by the biofields of a living organism.
Grebennikov's experiments with freshly cut grass stalks that push off from each other and then eventually lose this effect confirm the role of active biofield pumping.

So gentlemen entomologists who have such an opportunity-go ahead and maybe turn the idea of the modern world upside down! Here's something else that interests me: there are also professional entomologists with a long experience. Well, they probably had to meet something like that.

06.01.2006 18:35, Wolf

A healthy skepticism suggests that such "discoveries" are not real. This is from a series of speculations about flying saucers, aliens, the Philosopher's stone. At the forum, the issues that are not related to science were discussed in some detail in the Conversation. From my point of view (with the experience of communicating with such people who are fond of paranormal phenomena) both anti-gravity in insects and flying on an anti - gravity platform are not physically real. There is not a single serious description in these links. Lepton fields, telekinesis, and poltergeist are not scientific fields; most of them involve crooks or people who are not critical of the results and are misguided. Has anyone seen the anti-gravity platform? Any of the anti-gravity effects would have turned the world upside down so much that it would have been instantly picked up if there were even a tiny fraction of a percent of what was told. And in general, it is correctly noted that you can check what is reported in articles, and not in the form of a free presentation without details. You don't experiment with science fiction books, do you? Or weigh a beetle - doesn't anyone have a scale?

07.01.2006 1:16, sealor

Dracus,
Well, okay, inertia of thinking and so on-this is certainly harmful, but that's not the point.
In a particular case, it turns out that there is a theory, but there is no practice, there is no specific methodology for reproducing the consequences of this theory. That's the problem! Was another such platform built by other people? If this is not the case, then even the fact of the actual existence of this platform is not important. For example, I have no doubt that many things are possible, but another question is how?

Have you ever done any of Grebennikov's experiments yourself? After all, they are quite simple, and there are some where there is little subjective, for example, with the rotation of the pyramid.
If so, what is the result?

07.01.2006 14:04, Dracus

I put it down. The results are positive, although, in my opinion, weaker than those indicated by him. But there is an explanation for this - Grebennikov himself conducted his experiments (most of them) in nature, and not in the city, where everything sounds too strong electromagnetic fields.
About flying saucers-comrades, the explanations may be very different, but their existence is a fact. There are too many witnesses, and dismissing them is the most natural manifestation of scientific inertia. The fact that charlatans and "torsionists" profit from all poorly explained things should not force science to turn away from these things altogether. The church in the time of Copernicus long ago "explained" everything about the structure of the world, but he did not retreat! As for lepton fields - any physicist will tell you that they exist, this follows from quantum mechanics. In addition, Wolf, you have not yet argued your position "Anti-gravity in living things is unrealistic".
Then - do you really think that such a discovery did not go unnoticed first of all by the special services? Of course, you can always blame everything on them, but I don't do this, I just want to remind you that you can't ignore them.
There are really no scales.

In general, this discussion is already beyond the scope of the Entomology forum and molbiol in general (unless it is reduced to the issues of anti-gravity in insects).

07.01.2006 23:27, Wolf

I agree that the dispute goes beyond the scope of the Entomology forum.
There are no flying saucers or lepton fields. Leptons are electrons, muons, and tau particles that have a charge. Lepton fields from bodies could easily be detected with a galvanometer, it would be an electromagnetic field.
I talked with ardent representatives of UFOLOGY and non-traditional areas - from my point of view, there is nothing in them. Experiments are not reproducible. I myself am engaged in biophysics, so I don't see the mentioned phenomena, but other explanations.
Since the forum "Conversation" for quite a long time there were proceedings on the topic of science-non-traditional science and disputes did not lead to an improvement in relations, I would not like to go to them here. Do you mind?

Let me try to catch a beetle and measure its mass in different positions (up to 0.01 mg). What simple experiments do you recommend and what did you get?

08.01.2006 0:14, Dracus

I agree that we will not come to any result here, but let me remind you that neutrinos also belong to the class of leptons, and they are extremely difficult to detect at the present time.
Experiments have only just begun to conduct and they were all without the participation of living beings (well, except for me

) and they were reduced to detecting EPS (no matter how it is explained) using the Grebennikov detector from the simplest "emitters" created using the technologies of Reich and Grebennikov. At the moment, it's not particularly fruitful work - the winter session, after all

, but after it I will work on a more objective way to detect and measure this effect - the detectors that I have now are too inaccurate and their indicators vary from experience to experience (which may be due to the urban background). But try to make the "emitters" and detectors described in the materials, and I think in a series of 10 experiments you should have some result.
From the experiments devoted to the effects of EPS on living organisms, I plan to put a "canonical" experiment with seed germination closer to summer, and, in the hope of finding some application to entomology , the effect of EPS on insect behavior. But these experiments are still far away and they have not yet been worked out at all.
As for the beetle - if you are serious about checking Grebennikov's conclusions, I advise you to weigh the goldfish of the genus Julodis - I agree with the authors of the above documents (as well as with posts on relevant forums) that the most suitable candidate belongs to this genus.

08.01.2006 1:00, sealor

Dracus,
okay, here's a question closer to entomology.
Why then do insects still flap their wings to fly?
The point is that, based on modern ideas, such an effect (anti-gravity) would immediately be "picked up" by the ests. selection! Imagine, this is not only a flight without effort, it is also full control over the body weight, then you can then sit on a massive beetle on the thinnest twigs, run on the water..

Wolf:
"Since the forum "Conversation" for quite a long time there were proceedings on the topic of science-non-traditional science and disputes "
Very interesting, but where are these well-known topics and disputes?

Among the rubbish and quarrels there were quite good references and explanations about "pseudoscience"...

This post was edited by sealor-08.01.2006 01: 05