Atlas of Insects

And it is better to make a colorful atlas in the manner of Japanese.

Thanks to such topics, you can collect complete lists of beetle species in our countries!!! I think this will appeal to many!

I agree.
It's a pity ,but for my region, I have to come to everything myself. This is not Moscow, (ironically) with its density of entomologists per capita !

"And it is better to make a colorful atlas in the manner of Japanese. "
A good quality colorful Japanese-style atlas should start here! Only together will we be able to make something sensible.

"It's a pity ,that's just me in my region, I have to come to everything myself"
But at least you have good neighbors who are always happy to come and help with your research
I really want to go to Ukraine and fish here and there this and that
At the very least, it is better to know something than nothing and gradually add new findings and information. Entomologists are still not so few to sit blindfolded.

I agree.
It's a pity ,but for my region, I have to come to everything myself. This is not Moscow, (ironically) with its density of entomologists per capita !

Yeah, I have to make it myself, too. I am many times further away from Moscow and St. Petersburg.

I don't know about all the beetles, but in terms of Bembidion, an atlas with good photos would be interesting and useful. The genus is still insufficiently studied, there are practically no qualifiers for it, and today there are only a small number of articles that are not always available to everyone. So, I fully support the idea. But I would not limit myself to one Moscow region.

"But I would not limit myself to one Moscow region. "
So it's not just about one area - the information will come from each entomologist of different regions, different countries!! And if someone goes somewhere and catches something, they enter it in the general database. So we'll save up some good material.

A good quality colorful Japanese-style atlas should start here! Only together will we be able to make something sensible.

I will only say that although the ZIN website has been making a bug atlas for a long time, I do not know of such entomological atlases as a "Live Journal", to which everyone can send a photo and a note to it, while leading a discussion. It would be very interesting to do this here on the Entomology Info forums, and not just on beetles. Thank you all very much for your initiative.

"although the ZIN site has been making a bug atlas for a long time,"
In my opinion, there have been no updates for these two thousand years. Yes, and most of the photos are bad and just a bunch of views are not enough. If they had taken it more seriously, it would have been a different matter.

I suggest first that everyone slowly posts a list of beetles in their region or country. Then everyone will post photos, we will select the best ones, comment on the distribution and so on. You can continue to post lists of beetles and fokti in this topic. Create a new section (Atlas-determinant), where you can place topics by region that contain ready-made information.

"although the ZIN site has been making a bug atlas for a long time,"
In my opinion, there have been no updates for these two thousand years. Yes, and most of the photos are bad and just a bunch of views are not enough.

You have a very unique opportunity to fill in these gaps.

By the way, I have long suggested that the moderator (Bolivar) somehow divide the insect bio-pictures according to a systematic plan, thus making something like a determinant out of the general dump, where a separate topic with a photo, description and discussion will be a "species account card". So it will be possible to make an illustrated catalog not only of beetles, but already there is a reserve. However, there are some difficulties that we are currently thinking about.

By the way, I have long suggested that the moderator (Bolivar) somehow divide the insect bio-pictures according to a systematic plan, thus making something like a determinant out of the general dump, where a separate topic with a photo, description and discussion will be a "species account card". So it will be possible to make an illustrated catalog not only of beetles, but already there is a reserve. However, there are some difficulties that we are currently thinking about.

Attach the gallery to the forum, as an option?

It would be ideal to run a separate database engine with shared access, like a forum (maybe where there is such a thing?). If you just make numerous dads (subforums) "squad", "family", "clan" on the forum, then this can only complicate everyone's life.

Inspired by this http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=150782

That's what I thought. As I understand it, it won't just be an atlas? View pictures and that's it! As well as distribution data? In my opinion, the forum is not very convenient, I don't know why. It's just not convenient. There is another option-a website. This is a completely different thing. In my opinion, this is both more convenient and interesting.

You can also create a site alternative to Zinovsky.

P.S. I apologize if the text seems to be a mess.

The most difficult thing is to create a website. And so everything is very even. The link should be placed on molbiol.
Here it is best to process primary data and mountains of photos..
The forum is really not so convenient, but so far there are no other options. The main thing is to get started!

Why buy hosting right away? To get started, you can also use the free one. At the same time, it will also check whether such a resource is needed or not. And then you can buy it. And it's even easier to put it under some kind of grant. But this is already the case. Dreams, so to speak.

For example, my site is on a very decent hosting (my personal opinion). There is no advertising (on their part), first they give you 50 mb. They are constantly increasing, but you need to ask for it. Priority is given to sites about animals. I won't give the address to anyone who needs it - see my website.

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You can also create a site alternative to Zinovsky.



And why?
Although I understand that not everything suits there, for example, geographical priorities.

This topic, as far as I understand, is a continuation of the conversation started here: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=150782 We ask the moderator to connect the semantic pieces

The Zinovsky site suffers from one significant drawback. There's only one Lobanov. One. And even the magnificent Makarov pictures lie for six months or more. And no comments. Sometimes discussing images, capture features, and biology can be very important. This is what I find particularly valuable on the forum.

The Zinovsky site suffers from one significant drawback. There's only one Lobanov. One.

Absolutely true. One in the field is not a warrior. Such projects should be collective and updated by the team, and edited by a moderator.

In general, stop talking. We will learn all errors experimentally, and not develop theories for creating such a site.
I post a list of Moldovan barbels for now:
Prionus coriarius
Megopis scabricornis
Rhagium sycophanta
mordax
inquisitor
Rhamnusium bicolor
Toxotus cursor
Stenocorus quercus
meridianus
Acmaeops collaris
Pidonia lurida (the only indication from Voynovo 1917, in my opinion the find is doubtful.)
Cortodera humeralis
villosa
Grammoptera ruficornis
Allosterna tabacicolor
Nivellia sanguinosa (to be confirmed)
Leptura rufipes
sexguttata
unipunctata
bipunctata
livida
scutelata
attenuata
Vadonia bisignata (requires testing)
Judolia cerambyciformis
erratica
Strangalia aurulenta
quadrifasciata
maculata
melanura
bifasciata
nigra
septempunctata
revestita
Necydalis major
Criocephalus rusticus
Asemum striatum
Tetropium fuscum
Trichoferus pallidus
campestris
Cerambyx cerdo
scopoli
miles (требует проверки)
Gracilia minuta
Axinopalpis gracilis
Obrium cantharinum
brunneum
Leptidea brevipennis
Stenopterus rufus
Molorchus umbellatarum
Callimellum femoratus
Callimus angulatus
Aromia moschata
Rosalia alpina
Hylotrupes bajulus
Rhopalopus spinicornis
clavipes
macropus
femoratus
Lioderus kollari
Callidium violaceum
coriaceum (видел 1 экз в коллекции)
Pyrrhidium sanguineum
Phymatodes testaceus
pusillus
rufipes
fasciatus
alni
Xylotrechus pantherinus
rusticus
antilope
Clytus tropicus
arietis
lama
rhamni
Cyrtoclytus capra
Plagionotus detritus
arcuatus
floralis
Chlorophorus varius
herbsti
figuratus
sartor
Isotomus speciosus
Anaglyptus mysticus
Purpuricenus kaehleri
Morimus funereus
Lamia textor
Monochamus sutor
galloprovincialis pistor
Dorcadion fulvum
carinatum
aethiops
pedestre
cinerarium
tauricum
pussilum
scopolii
holosericeum
equestre
Neodorcadion billiniatum
Mesosa curculionoides
nebulosa
Pogonocherus hispidulus
hispidus
Acanthoderes clavipes
Leiopus nebulosus
Acanthocinus aedilis
Exocentrus lusitanus
stierlini
adspersus
Oplosia cinerea
Anaestetis testacea
Saperda carcharias
populnea
scalaris
octopunctata
punctata
Menesia bipunctata
Calamobius filum
Theophilea subcylindricollis
Agapanthia violacea
intermedia
dahli
villosoveridiscens
maculicornis
leucaspis
asphodeli
subchalibaeus
Oberea oculata
linearis
erythrocephala
euphorbiae
Stenostola ferrea
Pilemia tigrina
hirsutula
Phytoecia scutellata
pustulata
icterica
cyllindrica
caerulea
coerulescens
affinis
nigricornis
Tetrops praeusta

And the strangest thing about me is the indication (I have never seen it either in nature or in collections, but Miller and Zubovsky have 1 indication) - Parmena balteus

The list is still far from complete. The fact is that there is simply no way to review everything. There may also be errors. I caught only a part of the entire list myself.
Some names are outdated and need to be replaced.
When adding new items, I will post the places and times of finds so that the list is more complete.

By the way, I have long suggested that the moderator (Bolivar) somehow divide the insect bio-pictures according to a systematic plan, thus making something like a determinant out of the general dump, where a separate topic with a photo, description and discussion will be a "species account card". So it will be possible to make an illustrated catalog not only of beetles, but already there is a reserve. However, there are some difficulties that we are currently thinking about.

That's where separatism is rooted!

But seriously, both hands are in favor. Differentiation can be made at the level of taxa(genera), as well as at the geographical level.

That's where separatism is rooted!

But seriously, both hands are in favor. Differentiation can be made at the level of taxa(genera), as well as at the geographical level.

didn't log in. Excuse me.

Dear RippeR, You wouldn't be in a hurry with your list... Let's at least decide whether it will be a website or a forum. Second: who will do all this. That is, there must be someone who will collect all this information in one pile (figuratively speaking). And third , where will all this be located? I again modestly remind you about my hoster. I don't see a better option yet (for free hosting).

Let's at least decide whether it will be a website or a forum. Second: who will do all this. That is, there must be someone who will collect all this information in one pile (figuratively speaking). And third , where will all this be located? I again modestly remind you about my hoster. I don't see a better option yet (for free hosting).

An example site is the ZIN site, where there is only one Lobanov. The forum is so convenient that everyone can write there and post the images themselves regardless of anyone. Moderators will be involved. If we don't have enough Bolivar, we'll call for help. If it's already here, why drag it to a new location?

An example site is the ZIN site, where there is only one Lobanov. The forum is so convenient that everyone can write there and post the images themselves regardless of anyone. Moderators will be involved. If we don't have enough Bolivar, we'll call for help. If it's already here, why drag it to a new location?

Hm... And what prevents you from creating a site with the possibility of discussion? For example, on Jooml? This SMS has the ability to add images and discuss them.

Hm... What prevents you from creating a website ?..

Nothing bothers you, but doing it from scratch (developing a design, debugging the engine, etc.) will consume so much useful time and you can use it with business: almost everything is already there And then, wouldn't it be better to do everything in one place, with shared access to the forum, atlas, and other services, than split up into a mass of disparate sites

Nothing bothers you, but doing it from scratch (developing a design, debugging the engine, etc.) will consume so much useful time and you can use it with business: almost everything is already there And then, wouldn't it be better to do everything in one place, with shared access to the forum, atlas, and other services how to split it up into a lot of different sites

I agree!

Nothing bothers you, but doing it from scratch (developing a design, debugging the engine, etc.) will consume so much useful time and you can use it with business: almost everything is already there And then, wouldn't it be better to do everything in one place, with shared access to the forum, atlas, and other services how to split it up into a lot of different sites

And I don't agree! Why split it up into a lot of different sites? When you can do everything all in one. You won't be able to share the forum and site. For a normal discussion, you will still have to register. Is Elijah wrong? An example is this forum.

About the design. What is the problem? You can sit for a day and make a normal picture.

And the forum in my opinion is not serious.

I agree twice. The only question is: when will we start doing something? It's easier to start somehow, constantly improving, than to talk for a long time, talk, talk and only then do something.

The idea of hosting is good, but really someone should start creating the entire structure and other things, only then this option will be appropriate. So far, we have a great forum. It will not be difficult to transfer everything from it later.

And I don't agree! For a normal discussion, you will still have to register. Is Elijah wrong? And the forum in my opinion is not serious.

Do you want users to fill out the database without registering? Well, then such a database will quickly be filled with spammers and porn videos, Or will someone else post everything again, as on the ZIN site? That's what I don't understand about your proposal. Registration - it is mandatory in any case, as one of the ways to protect content. Fill in everything, and edit moderators (in the future, but not immediately, you can put your own specialist on each group).

And I didn't say that the database will remain in the form of a forum, I said that we are currently thinking about it

In any case, no one forbids you to create an alternative site. Let there be THREE databases (this one, ZIN, and yours). IMHO, the more information on insects, the better

This post was edited by Insect Expert - 02/28/2007 23: 21

I agree twice. The only question is: when will we start doing something? It's easier to start somehow, constantly improving, than to talk for a long time, talk, talk and only then do something.

So, for discussion, I propose the following.
1) Do you all agree with free hosting?
2) Site sections:
- List of species (general list of species of the former USSR, which will have to be constantly updated). By family. It is advisable to make a short description for each type.
- Geography. Data on species from Russia and the Union republics. RippeR has already started
- Literature. Scanned articles, etc.

Home, links and forum are self-evident. You can also add a gallery.

I suggest that the names from the list of species refer directly to the photo with a description of the capture and distribution data.
It would also be very mega-cool to make a determinant based on photos (where possible, where not - there are descriptions of signs) according to the principle:
http://sungaya.narod.ru/rhop/lyc01.htm

It would be interesting to build such a thing for beetles-it is convenient and practical + it will be possible to determine the beetle at least up to the genus without the help of binoculars and other things.

I suggest this:
Start page-Orders - then the family page, which will contain photos of the main representatives of families (several photos each), then the page with genera and species (each genus name will have a photo with a representative, if the site will not load much, or at least a taxon or subfamily will have a photo to make it easier to navigate.) You can go to the page with orders - the order determiner, on the page of families-the family determiner, on the page of genera and species-the determiner before the species and subspecies. It will be better to do exactly 3 divisions, so as not to get too confused later. And in the end, each link of the insect name will lead to the best selected photo with descriptions of all, and reals, etc. With specific places of discovery.
On the main page, you can also make a section - by region, so that you can already view the list of species for a separate country, and links to which will again lead to the same photos of species.

and I also forgot: the color of the site would not be bad to make it a bluish or turquoise color, so that the eye is more pleasant, and then all sorts of brown ones, like Zina's, are not so pleasing to the eye.. It's just that white people are boring too. It is necessary to choose the colors to attract.

And in general, it's a cool project to do this. While we will make it ourselves, we will learn how much more, how much we will absorb from various insects that we were not interested in before!

The only question is: when will we start doing something? It's easier to start somehow... It is necessary to choose the colors to attract... While we will make it ourselves, we will learn how much more, how much we will absorb from various insects that we were not interested in before!

There are no words! The most dangerous thing is when non-specialists take up the task. They would have helped the Zinovsky site better, it would have been more useful

I suggest this:
Start page-Orders - then the family page, which will contain photos of the main representatives of families (several photos each), then the page with genera and species (each genus name will have a photo with a representative, if the site will not load much, or at least a taxon or subfamily will have a photo to make it easier to navigate.) You can go to the page with orders - the order determiner, on the page of families-the family determiner, on the page of genera and species-the determiner before the species and subspecies. It will be better to do exactly 3 divisions, so as not to get too confused later. And in the end, each link of the insect name will lead to the best selected photo with descriptions of all, and reals, etc. With specific places of discovery.
On the main page, you can also make a section - by region, so that you can already view the list of species for a separate country, and links to which will again lead to the same photos of species.

Hm...It seems that apart from Ripper and me, no one is interested in this?

Now for another question. Where can I get photos with representatives? Except with Zina , there's nowhere else to go. And this is not very good. And where do the qualifiers come from, too? Especially before the species and subspecies?

What are you, gentlemen? We have a great forum where you can simply create (and they have already been created) subsections for one or the other. Don't go crazy and make life difficult for the creators and moderators. As for the pictures, no problem. Take a look at what good pictures we already have. And there will be more. For example, I can also help you if you need to get personal. Do not complicate your life, it is already not sugar.

And more. The suggestion about the list of regions is very good. And what the Ripper did is a blessing. I suggest that the moderator create a separate topic-lists of regions for different insect groups. Best of all, of course, when this list is annotated, and not just a list. Then it will be possible to get valuable information about the rarity-not infrequency of a particular species, where, when, and why you can catch this or that animal. IMHO.

With pictures: you just need to break down the available number for easy search by squad and so on, down the stairs, then everyone will be happy.

I think, at least at the initial stage, the seed can be placed on the permanent pages of molbiol, this is discussed with the Editor.
Here it is important that there is some kind of uniformity, and not just another forum. When placing images in the "Insect Images" subforum, you also need to follow certain rules. these. But for some reason, very few people adhere to them.