When was it better to do science in Russia?

Not, of course, as a non-drinker, I don't know the details, but looking at friends and colleagues who strongly like to celebrate everything and preferably every day, it's amazing to me that you can live up to 50 with such alcohol consumption.

Another thing is that you should not assume that this is "from hopelessness, uncertainty about the future and social protection. Quite the opposite! "it's' let's say no to drugs, we haven't run out of vodka yet.'

This post was edited by Olezhek - 18.06.2008 08: 07

One dick - people are ruining themselves...

PS As a well-known drinker, I will say: you can't drink like this, as you described...

That's right, it doesn't fall - it even grew a little ( from 57.8 to 59.3 for men)
Just like in Africa

We found something to compare. Let's take, for example, such an indicator as the average life expectancy of a man per degree of average annual temperature. And it will immediately become clear in which place Africa is, and in which - Great Russia.

Another thing is that you should not assume that this is "from hopelessness, uncertainty about the future and social protection. Quite the opposite! "it's' let's say no to drugs, we haven't run out of vodka yet.'

You can not count, but only what is - that is. The fact that a person does not say that he is unsure of the future and therefore drinks, does not mean either that he is sure of this day, or that he does not drink.

We found something to compare. Let's take, for example, such an indicator as the average life expectancy of a man per degree of average annual temperature. And it will immediately become clear in which place Africa is, and in which - Great Russia.

Then it is necessary to compare with Sweden or Canada

One dick - people are ruining themselves...

PS As a well-known drinker, I will say: you can't drink like this, as you described...

Interestingly, when I come to St. Petersburg, the same amount of beer
produces a much greater effect in the morning

come on, about the average - not in that happy struggle for it is akin to the struggle for low child mortality-but in the end, both of them? we produce a bunch of disabled people... I even saw the parameter "average healthy life expectancy" somewhere and it sometimes differed very much from the average duration in general... so why prolong the suffering? no, better 33 live meat than 300 dead meat...

come on, about the average - not in that happy struggle for it is akin to the struggle for low child mortality-but in the end, both of them? we produce a bunch of disabled people... I even saw the parameter "average healthy life expectancy" somewhere and it sometimes differed very much from the average duration in general... so why prolong the suffering? no, better 33 live meat than 300 dead meat...

Well, ento you probably "bent" - the English Queen looks quite able-bodied and in horse riding you will certainly do the trick .
Here one German swore that his driver's license was taken away after 100 years

My grandfather at 84, shortly before his death (at the end of 2006), repeated the rules of the road from the book and was afraid that he would not renew his license to drive a motorcycle. And granny is now at 84 with a shovel in the garden and regularly writes to the mayor of Kazan on the topic "when is the repair of our yard expected"

"It's icy today - I'm going to ride a bike," says one of my
84-year-old friends from Switzerland

I still can't figure out why cycling is safer in icy conditions

Guest1-for that 84 years probably need to live.
in general, all these examples do not say anything about the AVERAGE duration of a healthy life... there are such people in Africa where she is about 40 years old... the connection here is weak... and here we have (on average) a completely different picture than in such examples... Olezhek - here are your grandparents (may God bless her) who are also included in the Russian Census and statistics, according to which the average life expectancy is 59.3 years...

Guest1 - for that 84 years probably need to live.
in general, all these examples do not say anything about the AVERAGE duration of a healthy life... there are such people in Africa where she is about 40 years old... the connection here is weak... and here we have (on average) a completely different picture than in such examples... Olezhek - here are your grandparents (God bless her) they are also included in the Russian census and statistics, according to which the average life expectancy is 59.3 years...

do you think "insight" will find in 84 years on lisapeda on ice
I doubt very much - here local grannies go to the local mountains on foot
at such a speed that my "speed" can be confidently equated
to absolute zero in Kelvin

Guest1 - for that 84 years probably need to live.
in general, all these examples do not say anything about the AVERAGE duration of a healthy life... there are such people in Africa where she is about 40 years old... the connection here is weak... and here we have (on average) a completely different picture than in such examples... Olezhek - here are your grandparents (God bless her) they are also included in the Russian census and statistics, according to which the average life expectancy is 59.3 years...

My attempts to climb the local mountains were more like a visual aid
to Brownian motion

Yeah... well, the contingent here, judging by the results....    

You'd better read the posts, Anonymous. I'm afraid this is the result of incorrect questions being asked in the survey. This has already been discussed in this topic. Apparently, many people considered the number and quality of articles in their group to be an objective criterion for the "best" science class. Reasoning in the subjunctive mood was not successful. So it turns out that the post-war period is the best. By the way, I passed it for the post-war period, although I really wanted to write about "before the revolution". I had to put my emotions aside. Although Baron A. A. von Stackelberg, the founder of Soviet dipterology, was certainly a pre-war representative of the pre-revolutionary Russian intelligentsia.

  

Russian science, as always, is strong with old-timers

My dear fellow! "You idiot! I know so many "old-timers," as you put it, who are young and full of energy and can't hold a candle to them...

My dear fellow! "You idiot! I know so many, as you put it, "old-timers" who are young and full of energy are no match for...

- I'm not sure, the youthful impudence and impetuosity-Yes, it will pass with time...
- Duc, and they are not designed to hold a candle - this is the future of science and the hope of the state. Of course, the old horse doesn't spoil the furrow, but it doesn't look for a new one either...
Conclusion: we need a balance of tradition and innovation, age is not an essential criterion, and inertia is a hindrance .

And under socialism, science was better, I remember as a lab.the place was divided: "I - before lunch, you - to the library, and then-on the contrary, and at the computer-at night, will you not interfere?". The supply was bad, and every year they threw away money for country goods, because they couldn't buy what they needed...

to Vladimirkox:
Oh-oh-oh! For "youthful impudence and impetuosity" - separate Mercy! (I will be proud to show your post to my 3 children). I think that (although I don't belong to the cohort of "oldies") - I'm older than you; well, maybe the same age...
And if you were the Guest, then I give you credit for the adequacy of the response, which most of the participants in the discussion do not shine, including me, when I see... Well, you know...
In addition, with everything (except the first line of your post, which contradicts the facts) I agree.

http://trv-science.ru/2011/07/05/komu-iz-u...orosho-i-kogda/

I will add my money to the stale piggy bank.

My father is 91 (the only thing he doesn't want to do is cook; he doesn't even want to boil eggs for breakfast, considering it beneath his dignity; well, everyone has "fads", I note - and this one is not the most-most, i.e. - tolerable, especially since in everything else-other things-a living example to follow: getting up -6.00, tubzik, shaving, wet cleaning of a considerable, even on a modern scale, room, breakfast -8.00, reading the latest newspaper-well, and in this spirit until 24.00; I also note that underwear is exclusively hand - washed: the machine washes it "without a soul"; until 80, I didn't smoke or drink, I use the word "drank" in Russian; now, however, "kvass" immoderately, saying, "I can already"-I think with horror that by 120 he is sopiezza... aware of the extreme cynicism of the question, et'ta remembers the words of "Leningrad": "I would like to go to heaven..." - I ask: do you not want to go to "heaven"? And when he said, " Me what? sped up?", - I have the remnants of hair on my head stood on end... If my father had added that "The dolphin will live", and he ... - it would have been a complete"..." But I think he had enough sense of tact and measure...).
My youngest daughter (from the latter, I hope, in a literal-temporal, not metaphysical sense, wife) - 4,5 (but to finish the first chapter of "Onegin" will not succeed, - divorce; the family tradition is such, you know, by the age of 7 to know by heart the 1st chapter); the eldest daughter- from the second "marriage", - sometimes says, winking: "Do you remember, Dad, how I asked when I was little -" who is the "cuckold majestic"? "
The" last " wife (20 years younger than me), with whom, finally, I'm getting a divorce (we lived together for 14 years), says: you're old and hopeless (oh! p'tit, woke up! and the child-my happiness-in fatherlessness to leave-arbitrarily decided).
Et'ta I not to that, thatbb here aftopit: Molbiolog'shni! fertile age - wellcome! I just remembered my mother's dying message: "Vova! The next one should be younger than "this one"...
In fact, all this is clearly excessive verbosity only-an illustration of the" subtle " remark of pan Andrzej

Let's take, for example, such an indicator as the average life expectancy of a man per degree of average annual temperature. And it will become immediately clear

Montesquieu, of course, is wrong in the political certainty of conclusions based on "geographical determinism"; - in" political certainty " - wrong; and in others?
It seems to me that the optimal conditions for doing "science" in Russia cannot be clarified without taking into account the "hint" of Pan Andrzej...

  
And under socialism, science was better, I remember as a lab.the place was divided: "I - before lunch, you - to the library, and then-on the contrary, and at the computer-at night, will you not interfere?".

What kind of computer was it? On punch cards?

"What kind of computer was that? On punch cards? "Iskra, on punched tape. IBM keys were expensive and few in number, and getting through to them was a big challenge. For a long, long time I convinced my boss that you still need to connect to the Internet.

This post was edited by Vladimirkox-08.07.2011 07: 33

For a long, long time I convinced my boss that you still need to connect to the Internet.

Well, it certainly wasn't "under socialism"! Early nineties, most likely.

Late eighties.

where is it if it's not a secret?

He's in Moscow. We also did not have the Internet until the mid-90s in Moscow at the Russian Academy of Sciences.

No answer - in the future.
But this is a personal question (everyone decides for themselves) and depends on many factors. At least no one is guaranteed to predict the future, you can only do it.

I somehow have a bad idea of the internet on punched tapes

The Internet is already there, Masha! It's all in the past! A friend in the museum is simple.

I can even clarify the question. Since Masha is somehow cute on the Internet. Only on the Internet and I don't even know her photos. Here. Would you go to Moscow now to promote science? For example, I haven't made up my mind yet, and I don't want to lie. Still, there are some doubts and pieces of faith that can be done. I don't want to drive Kostya Severinov and blizzard on TV and in the lecture hall... Well, I don't want to tear my throat out for every ruble and do scientific bullshit later, either. There are, of course, a lot of people, but that's something here they do not happen.

A rhetorical question, though. If you want to answer, you can answer it.
Let the question be a guest, then the IP will still change.

In the 80s, there was no Internet yet, but computer networks with geography from the Far East to Moscow and from Moscow to Kazakhstan already existed.

but computer networks with geography from the Far East to Moscow and from Moscow to Kazakhstan already existed.

EGSVTS

"where is it if it's not a secret?" In Rostov-on-Don. They were connected via NPO GRAD.

And what wonderful"Izotes" were! I also remember 8 " flops!

Yeah...DVK-2M. UKNC, EU-1840...

It's time to add the option "When I had it installed" to the survey.

It's time to add the option "When I had a hard-on" to the survey.  

right! then the girls were younger!

I understand "standing" in a metaphorical, not literal sense. And it's true. There would be zeal, but there will be funds.

I understand "standing" in a metaphorical, not literal sense. And it's true. There would be zeal, but there will be funds.

No way, no way... You can't replace a natural drive with pills - the result seems to be there, but the sensations are different...

Oh! He has already tried to replace[i] with "pills"