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When is the best time to go to Western Sayan

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Peter Khramov, 05.02.2009 18:28

Y-yes, maybe someone who has been to those places before... I am in danger of getting there this summer, please tell me when it is better to go (presumably in July-August), who can be found (from butterflies), what to pay attention
to. P. S. If it matters, then not for fishing, but for photos, including night ones.
P. S. S. Heights 1200 -- 2500 m.

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05.02.2009 19:07, guest: Yakovlev

Best location-Sayan Pass, on the border of Tuva and Khakasia

05.02.2009 19:17, Peter Khramov

Just from this pass (from the highway) we will go to the west, there is something further, I understand correctly, which will only be more interesting or what?
And also-will the Tuva side of the ridge look very different from the Khakass side in terms of butterflies?

05.02.2009 21:46, RippeR

it seems that the best way to go is at the end of June-July.
Pay attention to Oeneis, Erebia first.. Well, for the rest, everything else is without exception smile.gif

PS is necessary not for photos but for fishingumnik.gif, i.e. both.. and then interesting things to take pictures and not take blasphemy! smile.gif

06.02.2009 0:18, Peter Khramov

it seems that the best way to go is at the end of June-July.
Pay attention to Oeneis, Erebia first.. Well, for the rest, everything else is without exception smile.gif

Thank you for your advice;--)

PS is necessary not for photos but for fishingumnik.gif, i.e. both.. and then interesting things to take pictures and not take blasphemy! smile.gif

Yes, it would be necessary, probably... Yes, and it often helps to determine the exact one... But God forbid to find time in the photo, not to mention the drought;--)

06.02.2009 0:24, AntSkr

And the night ones would be very interesting... what are the problems with time? It only takes a little time to put them on mattresses and carry them around... much less than photographing, I'm sure, wait until the desired copy. he will sit down and calm down, and even go very close to him and not scare him off... much longer than that...

06.02.2009 0:57, Peter Khramov

AntSkr, I just have to take a photo, but the rest is not, that's all...

This post was edited by Asar-06.02.2009 00: 59
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06.02.2009 1:23, RippeR

a net behind your back and a box with envelopes - the right number of photos and a butterfly so raaaas! Not to return from such places without butterflies-blasphemy frown.gif

06.02.2009 4:46, Yakovlev

The places are very nice. There are quite a few P. phoebus, eversmanni, Oeneis aktashi, E. erynnin etc.
Take photos! It'll be great. Just keep your clothes warm - the weather is shitty there

06.02.2009 12:36, Frantic

And sometimes local residents do not come with good health wishes.

06.02.2009 13:09, Peter Khramov

RippeR, everyone has their own hobbies )
Yakovlev, wow, very good views. Thanks for the info.
Frantic, according to the reviews of people with whom I will go (and who have already been there), after a couple of days of travel, any of the residents or tourists are extremely rare. Although, when as, probably)
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06.02.2009 13:18, RippeR

everyone has their own, yessmile.gif, but how will you look people in the eye and say "I only took pictures" lol.gif

06.02.2009 13:47, Peter Khramov

RippeR, after I get beaten up by botanists for not collecting a herbarium, I won't care anymore;--)

06.02.2009 14:31, RippeR

Yeah, you can't please everyone.. But it's worth a try!! smile.gif

07.02.2009 14:24, Яковлев

There are also hunters and pickers of wild garlic, but all this is normal. The people are wild but no more
than that There is a danger in Moscow and in Kyzyl. All in the question of luck and the ability to find trouble
Go and luck Vam

07.02.2009 21:22, Peter Khramov

Yakovlev, thank you. Perhaps they still meant Tuva, and not Khakassia, when they were afraid of locals.

08.02.2009 10:47, Букашечник

Yes, normal people there, here are the bears sometimes ozoruyut, yes :-). Especially last year.

11.02.2009 20:04, Andylog

About deadlines. I went in 2006, from the end of June, but that year the spring was very late. There are photos on the Internet showing how everything is still covered with snow in the highlands on June 24-25 (http://www.shandl.narod.ru/w2/leto.htm)

If the choice is July-August, go, better, from the very beginning of July.

12.02.2009 12:22, Frantic

Tuvans still steal horses (and cars) in neighboring Khakassia.. They can shoot a gun at tourists for fun.. According to statistics, Tuva is one of the most criminal regions of the Russian Federation. Well, they DON't like Russians there either. And so-yes, everything is quietsmile.gif, But the places there are awesome beautiful.. Perhaps the most wonderful in Russia.

12.02.2009 15:44, Peter Khramov

Andylog, thank you for the info and link!
Frantic, yes, about Tuva about the same and usually respond... Most likely, I will be from the side of Khakassia, about Tuva I was wondering whether it is worth visiting because of the possible different species composition of babochkoff at the same time...

13.02.2009 11:36, Frantic

In Khakassia, of course, it is quieter than in Tuva. The scenery there is also crazy.. In spring, the plain is simply a carpet of beautiful irises..

http://www.greeninfo.ru/wild_growing/iris_sibirica.html

But also we must not forget that this is one of the most depressed regions of the Russian Federation. Unemployment is high there, and PO's are quite low.. In Abakan, you can have a delicious and satisfying meal for 100smile.gif rubles, But I would not go anywhere without guides. and the locals say: different people walk in the taigasmile.gif, and we must not forget about ticks.. And Tuva is worth a look -it seems that this is where all the beauty and rarity of butterflies livesmile.gif

This post was edited by Frantic - 02/13/2009 11: 37

22.03.2009 1:52, Papaver

Tuvans still steal horses (and cars) in neighboring Khakassia.. They can shoot a gun at tourists for fun.. According to statistics, Tuva is one of the most criminal regions of the Russian Federation. Well, they DON't like Russians there either. And so-yes, everything is quietsmile.gif, But the places there are awesome beautiful.. Perhaps the most wonderful in Russia.

But they like to ask Russians for cigarettes, drinks and money. And in a sequence that is almost unchanged, starting with " Have a smoke?". Another funny thing - every second person there is a shaman!
But I absolutely agree - the most beautiful places! As soon as you find yourself out of the zone of direct accessibility by the local population-you indulge in the delight of being just immensely! rolleyes.gif
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23.04.2009 7:52, AlmaZZ

And unas began with the question,, UODKA YEST,,? As in the city-I don't know Kyzyl ,like Kyzyl,but in gorakh people are cool,that now,that a century ago they grazed herds.Only here they get drunk, like everywhere else in the villages where there is no work.Places are there....- you're LUCKY.

23.04.2009 7:56, AlmaZZ

If you are a tourist and others too, then there will be days and half-days there and posobiraesh.I think you've been hired as a photographer.

23.04.2009 8:54, Yakovlev

Russian Bukharians are no different from Tuvans, although Tuva is really very dangerous.
The people are in trouble, joining the USSR in 1942, anti-Russian sentiments in the 90s.
Nature is beautiful. The fauna is exceptional, take at least a set of carabuses and eneis.

23.04.2009 17:53, Peter Khramov

It looks like we'll go from the Khakass side. I hope the fauna there is not worse than Tuva)

23.04.2009 22:49, Frantic

There is a lot of good things in Khakassia. But a little different than in Tuvasmile.gif Be careful with ticks..

23.04.2009 23:35, Peter Khramov

There is a lot of good things in Khakassia. But a little different than in Tuvasmile.gif Be careful with ticks..

Yes, in a month the third inoculation to sculpt...

23.04.2009 23:51, Frantic

You will also keep an eye on limesmile.gif in the Abaza district, say hello to local ticks:-)

24.04.2009 7:10, Yakovlev

typhus and borreliosis are quite common.
Well, don't talk about sad things.
If you collect a lot of things, I want to share them with you. We have a lot to offer. Altai, Sayan, Wed. Asia

24.04.2009 14:17, Peter Khramov

About ticks, by the way:
I understand correctly that even a triple vaccination still does not provide complete protection against encephalitis, and it would be necessary to pass a tick for analysis in case of something (only where to take it in the middle of a hike?)
Do I understand correctly that there is no protection against lyme/borelliosis as such, and you need to hammer doxycycline when finding a tick (especially if you have nowhere to carry it) for prevention?
Regarding the collection - as I wrote earlier, I'm going to get photos for the site from a neighboring branch. I may also help out if someone needs something (for example, I need photos, or access to collections for taking photos), but I don't collect anything for myself...

This post was edited by Asar - 24.04.2009 14: 18

24.04.2009 14:47, Bad Den

Pyotr, are you picking up beetles for me?smile.gif

24.04.2009 15:03, Yakovlev

Well, every tick to drag...
For a day on 25 happened to stick in.
After each bite, say the Russian word and take the Russian napitok

24.04.2009 16:19, Peter Khramov

Pyotr, are you picking up beetles for me?smile.gif

It's time to accept orders smile.gif) Closer to the point, we will agree exactly, in advance - for a good person, of course, I will help as much as I can )

24.04.2009 16:22, Peter Khramov

Well, every tick to drag...
For a day on 25 happened to stick in.
After each bite, say a Russian word and take a Russian drink

Yes et it is clear that it is possible and so. I also caught more than one fish at a time, although in more calm geographical places. But still, the risk is too bad to do nothing at all (although I won't return because of the bite, essno).

24.04.2009 21:04, Frantic

  
Do I understand correctly that there is no protection against lyme/borelliosis as such, and you need to hammer doxycycline when finding a tick (especially if you have nowhere to carry it) for prevention?



Yes. Take both doxycycline and sumamed with you. If you are bitten by a tick-carrier, you will most likely find a red ring.. Immediately drink antibiotics then. More. I know that some people start taking antibiotics immediately upon arrival in the dumb district (when taking into account the encephalitis vaccination), so that they don't think about it..

This post was edited by Frantic - 24.04.2009 21: 05
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20.05.2009 16:55, Guest

I don't know where exactly Asar will be, but how many times I was there (Ergakov district) there were no ticks. In the eastern Sayan mountains, I shot a lot, and there niraza.
By the way, this summer I will probably be there too, Aradana district

20.05.2009 17:00, Garricos

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20.05.2009 17:36, Papaver

Asar! And what are you just-stupidly not vaccinated? In order for the first vaccination to pass B.-M. painlessly, you need to inject yourself with a Western drug, and the next 2 shiryalovs, for a greater probability of the desired effect, with our "chernukha", such as Tomsk...
And then revaccination - once every 3 years (as it should be now) or once a year (pre-perestroika norm).
Well, now it's too late for you to get vaccinated (for this season)...

This post was edited by Papaver - 05/20/2009 22: 34

21.05.2009 11:12, Peter Khramov

2Papaver: Why didn't you get vaccinated?.. Got vaccinated... Now we need to go to the third vaccination (all three are domestic), after which, they say, for 3 years you can more or less relax... But, as far as I remember, vaccination does not give a 100% guarantee against the consequences, but greatly reduces them, and besides, Lyme disease does not go anywhere. Therefore, the rejection of ticks as such is still relevant...
2Garricos: Thanks for the info. It also depends on the season, apparently. Approximately in the same places last year friends went - caught a few pieces (although there were no diseases) ...

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