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Red Data Book of the Ryazan region. Entomology

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12.03.2010 22:03, okoem

But where and why the Apollos go when no one scares them is a mystery to me. Maybe someone saw something like this?

I've seen it before, and more than once. In some Crimean local species. They are trying to settle, as I understand it.
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17.03.2010 22:54, Vlad Proklov

New list of agricultural complexes of the Ryazan region approved:
http://www.rzn.info/articles/world/38697/
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18.03.2010 13:14, mikee

New list of agricultural complexes of the Ryazan region approved:
http://www.rzn.info/articles/world/38697/

I still haven't sent them Lasiocampa trifolii yet... Otherwise it would have been added smile.gif

18.03.2010 17:31, Guest

I'm surprised that this list includes the satyr Galatea!?? In neighboring areas, this is a normal and even at some points mass/background view!
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21.03.2010 1:31, Dracus

The aforementioned article by uv. Penzyak:

O. A. Polumordvinov, S. V. Shibaev. Biology and ecology of the Parnassius apollo sailboat (Linnaeus, 1758) (Lepidoptera: Papilionidae) in the Penza region. Izvestiya PSPU, 2 (4), 2006
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23.03.2010 10:50, Алексей Водорезов

I don't know why Galatea was turned on.
Interestingly, the view began to be recorded in the region only five years ago.
There is no earlier information in the literature.
For me, this is a special pride.
I then took my students to practice landscape studies in the Ukholovsky district on the Mostyu River. And at the same time, a relapse occurred - I began to catch my favorite butterflies.
And suddenly-first Suvorovka, and then Galatea. I thought it was an accident, but in the remaining couple of days I caught another five pieces. Moreover, the species was 4th in mass after the rutabaga, thick-headed forest and some of the pigeons of the argiad type.
The information was passed on to zoologists - and now the species is in the Red Book. At the same time, in a few years, the mass participation has increased tenfold and it has become common throughout the south of the region.
There was an opinion about the movement of the steppes to the north. BUT.....
According to our calculations, in the Ryazan region over the past 20 years, the amount of precipitation has not decreased, but increased by 10-15%, and the moisture coefficient has become more similar to the east of Western Europe. I think the situation in neighboring Tula, Lipetsk, Moscow and Penza should be similar.
The situation with the analysis of the impact of climate dynamics is complicated by the parallel dynamics in agriculture, where acreage has decreased by 15% and the entire forest-steppe south of the region is overgrown with birch, and even a sharp reduction in the use of fertilizers.

23.03.2010 15:07, Илуватар

Bioluhi, before writing multi-letter posts, take a look at the literature. Aridization, which began with the draining of the Tethys, continues, and the draining of the Aral Sea has greatly accelerated it. Hence the migration of steppe people to the north.
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23.03.2010 15:37, vasiliy-feoktistov

Bioluhi, before writing multi-letter posts, take a look at the literature. Aridization, which began with the draining of the Tethys, continues, and the draining of the Aral Sea has greatly accelerated it. Hence the migration of steppe people to the north.

Sorry with the designation (as spam) was wrongmol.gif, Please just change the tone.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 23.03.2010 15: 43

23.03.2010 19:43, Илуватар

The tone is normal. I'm a bioluh myself.
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23.03.2010 19:48, vasiliy-feoktistov

The tone is normal. I'm a bioluh myself.

I caught Locusta migratoria in 2001 (practically Moscow). All right???

23.03.2010 22:06, Илуватар

I don't know anything about erect wings. So I didn't get the hint. Give us a bigger hint wink.gif

24.03.2010 8:27, vasiliy-feoktistov

I don't know anything about erect wings. So I didn't get the hint. Give me a thicker hint wink.gif

"Thicker": L. migratoria is a migratory or Asian locust (an insect in any case for the Red Book) smile.gif. I caught it at home (repeatedly). In my area, there are no major rivers along which it can migrate (the Moskva River does not count). However: Caught confused.gif.

31.03.2010 9:33, Tambovlupus

Surprisingly, and what does aridization, desiccation of the Aral Sea and other garbage have to do with it - what will saigas come to us? Many steppe lepidoptera have very specific populations - will they also settle? It is only in Tatarstan that the steppe dybka "crawled" from the south...

Galatea is the most unsightly example of" waves of life " in insects.

Locusts - that's why they are migratoria, in order to move north under favorable natural conditions... Example. Last summer, as you may remember, was quite hot and the drought reached the forest-steppe. So, in early September, I observed dozens of locusts on a field road passing through a corn field. I've never seen so much in one place before.

23.06.2010 10:12, Penzyak

I drove around the south-east of the Penza region - the land is terrible, the grass is either dry or the cattle have eaten. But I caught some rarities. What's new in your collection of materials for the Ryazan Region CC???

24.06.2010 8:23, rhopalocera.com

We have nothing.

24.06.2010 13:10, aleko

In addition to Blinushov's list of different types, I got 1 copy each this year. Odontosia carmelita и Proserpinus proserpina. According to mikee, he also caught both of these species in Gus-Zhelezny.
Today in the topic "Definition of butterflies" I raised a question on Apatura iris, there was a message that it was caught in the area of der. Affectionately.

24.06.2010 15:08, Алексей Водорезов

I'm mapping polyxena-now by tracks. An interesting picture is obtained.
I found a new point of mnemosyne on the Ranova River, and applied for it in the Kasimovskaya district.
And yet, in the same Kasimov district in May there was a monstrous fire. According to official data, 17 hectares of pine forests were burned. We went to investigate, because last year we found a large population of apollo near the village of Sosnovka.
The result is catastrophic - more than 2000 hectares of forest burned down, including partially those stations where Apollo flew.
In July, I will go to the ashes in the hope of finding survivors.
If anyone is interested, we posted the information in the official media and are now waiting for a response from the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

http://www.mediaryazan.ru/blogosfera/25606.html
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24.06.2010 16:52, mikee

I'm mapping polyxena-now by tracks. An interesting picture is obtained.
I found a new point of mnemosyne on the Ranova River, and applied for it in the Kasimovskaya district.
And yet, in the same Kasimov district in May there was a monstrous fire. According to official data, 17 hectares of pine forests were burned. We went to investigate, because last year we found a large population of apollo near the village of Sosnovka.
The result is catastrophic - more than 2000 hectares of forest burned down, including partially those stations where Apollo flew.
In July, I will go to the ashes in the hope of finding survivors.
If anyone is interested, we posted the information in the official media and are now waiting for a response from the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

http://www.mediaryazan.ru/blogosfera/25606.html

You can map Polyxene directly by the distribution of kirkazone. At least in the Kasimov district. In particular, it flies directly in Gus-Zhelezny, and even on the Oka River everywhere smile.gif
With Apollo in July, you may be late, the butterflies flew a week ago. And don't worry, the entire forest area between Gorky Highway, Yegoryevsky Highway and the highway connecting them is one big apollo station, including the Red Lighthouse. With gaps, of course.
Mnemosyne is a mass species in suitable biotopes, podalirium is a stable population under G. = Zhelezny.

24.06.2010 23:42, rhopalocera.com

Polyxena, like mnemosyne, is an ordinary butterfly, sometimes background. He goes quietly up the Oka (settles down, that is). Podaliriy - mass type. Apollo is local, but by no means rare in its locations.

05.07.2010 10:13, Penzyak

You surprise me, good gentlemen...

1. You can not transfer your (purely subjective) analysis of, for example, family sailboats to other territories.

2. Polyxene (for example, see my article) is not distributed by the presence of kirkazone in the biotope-otherwise it would have been known from the territory of the Moscow region.
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06.07.2010 20:00, А.Й.Элез

This is absolutely true. As well as the general pattern, which consists in the fact that the presence of a forage plant in the flora does not necessarily require the presence of the corresponding insect species in the fauna. Therefore, without studying the fauna of specific localities, it is hardly justified to draw faunal conclusions on them.
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09.07.2010 8:43, aleko

It's all right, yes! Both the arguments of the "blunt-pointers" are correct, and the entoisism of the "pointers" is not without foundation. But we have to return a full-fledged person to society, right? as for polyxena in the Ryazan region and specifically in the Oka floodplain , according to my observations, everywhere where there is kirkazon, you should expect polyxena. A simple rule applies here: the gap between the Kirkazon "pastures" does not exceed several kilometers, and butterflies can easily move from one island to another. The only difficult obstacle is the city of Ryazan, but apparently Polyxena still overcame it, because I observed its stations along the Oka River both above Ryazan and downstream.

09.07.2010 11:05, okoem

The only difficult obstacle is the city of Ryazan, but apparently Polyxena still overcame it, because I observed its stations along the Oka River both above Ryazan and downstream.

And what, Polixena came to the Oka later than the construction of modern Ryazan? confused.gif
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09.07.2010 17:12, Vlad Proklov

I read it. I wasn't impressed. The bad work of the magazine editor is obvious. Just read the title of the article. b/o

Yes, in general - to be published in all sorts of Muhosran messengers - to ruin your work with your own hands!

10.07.2010 7:49, Алексей Водорезов

I will stand up for my colleague from Penza.
You need to print.
Of course, if possible, then in the "cool" editions. But in the regions, things are often different.
The faculty and department require you to include an article in their internal (regional) collection, otherwise it will be closed. Besides, it's faster this way.
But in the end, the article was published, you found the link and read it-so the result is achieved.
And the article is excellent. And above all, a huge amount of factual material.
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10.07.2010 8:09, Алексей Водорезов

Kirkazonniki in the vicinity of the city of Ryazan izlazil length and breadth-no polyxena.
In the Oka Valley, within the region, the rule really applies: "there is a kirkazon - there is a polyxena". But this applies only to the section from the mouth of the Pra River and downstream up to Elatima. On the segment from the entrance of the Oka River to the region (the border with Moscow) through Ryazan to the city of Spassk (100 kilometers directly), I have not yet met it.
At the same time, the butterfly reappears in the middle reaches and upper reaches of large tributaries of the Oka River (Ranova, Para, Tsna)
I think it's all about the degree of development. All the Priryazansky floodplains have been turned into arable land and pastures. Apparently, spring grass falls play a role. The area was torn apart, and even in the 18th and 19th centuries. This is evidenced by maps from the Atlases of the general survey of the Ryazan province. It is now part of the floodplain meadows abandoned and not used by anyone-old women complain, they say, before there were 300 cows, and now everything is overgrown with weeds. On old maps, the ENTIRE Oka floodplain in the region is divided into the thinnest patches of landowners, where apparently all the available space was plowed open.
Apparently, the range and abundance of polyxena are now really growing in size. But monitoring is necessary in any case, otherwise all claims are unfounded.

And more. I went to the Kasimov district and accidentally found an orchid. They are all similar - yathryshniki, palchatokorenniki. In addition, a backpack and mosquitoes at the end of the day allow you to completely forget about your travel goals. I didn't tear it all up - I only took a few flowers. I brought it to Professor Marina Vasilyevna Kazakova - it turned out to be a helmet-bearing Yathryshnik. In the Ryazan region, it was known from a single find in 1929. He has already been assigned the category " 0 " in the Red Book. Now "odinichka".
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10.07.2010 8:59, А.Й.Элез

This summer I found polixena caterpillars in the Ostrogozhsky district of the Voronezh Region in a place very remote from rivers (in the upper reaches of a dry ravine, where water, and even then only draining from a continuous agrocenosis, occurs only during high water or heavy rains).
Regarding the Ministry of Defense: it may very well be, but I don't dare say so yet. Looking for it. And labels are written by people. It's too early to say, except for the pseudo-population that once started and then safely disappeared. I know this from a number of southern species from my own experience, but people from outside the Ministry of Defense might, having at least from me, or even from somewhere else, copies of these species with labels for the Ministry of Defense, make a hasty conclusion that the species "exists"in the Ministry of Defense. No, it's not really "is", it is, at best, "happens"; the difference between" is "and" happens " is felt only when you are constantly hoeing this very area. In the Ministry of Defense and kirkazon-something a little, its distribution is very limited and fragile. But about three years ago, I learned (right in the hot pursuit) from a venerable entomologist about his meeting with polyxena in the south of Moscow. A very specific point was indicated. Maybe, of course, he met a stray specimen in nowhere (if polyxena has such a thing at all), but, anyway, at that point for many kilometers around there is no smell of kirkazon, it has been checked. And the entomologist, both in his formal status and in terms of authority in science, seems to deserve no less trust than any label. That's how it works. There is not only a pseudo-population, but also a pseudo-label. I myself am more of an optimist here, but even with the availability of copies with labels, I am not in a hurry to say "yes" yet.
As for the timing. Polyxena can have strong summer shifts in June, it depends on the year, this has happened before, there has long been information in the literature about the beginning of June in the Lipetsk region, and according to my observations for several years in those places already in the last decade of May – a ball of rolling. There are many factors here; I personally know exactly one-the date of the station's release from flood waters.
By the way, local populations of kirkazon in the MO are also very much affected by floods and, in general, the degree of soil moisture during the beginning of its vegetation period. That is why in some places you will find whole meadows of kirkazon one year, and the next year there is not even a trace of it, you will not even believe at first that it is the same place. Kirkazon survives in such years only under a very dark forest canopy. The butterfly can't hold out there, and it's not there. But stray (+ maximum generation), probably, may once get caught. I also know places where kirkazon develops strictly annually, but at least a month later than the prescribed period (even for this band) – not only because of the long standing flood, but also because of the shading of the site. Also-no place for polyxena. And so on
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10.07.2010 9:57, Алексей Водорезов

I'll add it.
On the Ranova River opposite the town of Ryazhsk, I found an interesting site: a strip of floodplain along the riverbed is a single field (with minor breaks) of kirkazon. Its length is more than 3 km, width 1-5 m. There is no trace of Polyxena, although Blinushov noted the whole of the Ranova Valley.

And about the dry ravines.
In the Sasovsky district of the Ryazan region, there is a place called Temgenevo. A little to the north is a ravine, the same one that Alyokhin used to illustrate his famous rule of pre-digestion. So on May 10 of this year, I also found a polyxenum there, 2 km from the riverbed. Tsny on a dry rocky slope. It sits down on the cornflower of Sumy - there were no other flowers, takes off and it is immediately blown away by the wind for 10-15 meters, up the ravine. she sits down again and does so 10 times, until I have enough strength to chase her over the rocks.
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10.07.2010 20:47, Alexandr Rusinov

Can large animals live without stations? eek.gif And for insects, the red book makes sense if we consider it not as an end in itself, but as a tool for fighting for the preservation of those very notorious stations...
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10.07.2010 21:38, Alexandr Rusinov

Many insects can also be bred in captivity, but this is not an option... Just like for large animals... Only a temporary measure and no more...And what are the criteria for the stations that you are going to recommend for the commandment?.. Probably the habitat of any insect species that are absent in other stations... And why you are not satisfied with the use of Red Book lists to determine the very territories that need to be protected... Well-compiled lists, and not the bullshit that is available in many regional red books...
Although all this has already been written many times in many topics of this forum, why start the same thing again?.. All the same, everyone will remain with their opinions...
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11.07.2010 18:05, Necrocephalus

I dare to ask-who is the polyxene collector in the Moscow region and when were the finds made?

26.07.2010 11:09, Алексей Водорезов

Fruit!!!
This is on the Oka River and almost on the border with Ryazan.
And in the Ryazan region in these places apparently no one was looking - there are military units and it is dangerous to meddle. And according to the stories and poliksenka is, and Apollo, and even growing molodilo-the only population in the region
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26.07.2010 14:28, Sergey Didenko

Yeah, and my work colleague has a dacha there, I didn't specifically look for polyxene, but I know where the thickets of kirkazon are. I'll watch it next year...

26.07.2010 14:43, mikee

I dare to ask-who is the polyxene collector in the Moscow region and when were the finds made?

At the end of June, I went to the PTZ and climbed around the mnemosyne station and its surroundings. There are thickets of kirkazon there and I found one caterpillar on them. Unfortunately, I was without a camera and no documentary evidence.

26.07.2010 14:47, mikee

During the last few days of our trip to Primorye, sdi and I had a rest on Vityaz with Yu. A. Chistyakov. Unfortunately, we only spent one evening together, and then he left. They also talked about the problem of CC, especially since Yuri Alexandrovich is close to the topic - he is the main (not sure about the title) curator of the Primorye CC. So, he said that he made sure that in the next edition of the CC of Primorsky Krai insects were not included at all, except for the mandatory ones from the CC of Russia.

27.07.2010 1:04, Necrocephalus

At the end of June, I went to the PTZ and climbed around the mnemosyne station and its surroundings. There are thickets of kirkazon there and I found one caterpillar on them. Unfortunately, I was without a camera and there is no documentary evidence.

And the caterpillar was weak to take? Really, this is a very interesting find, obviously.
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28.07.2010 21:44, rhopalocera.com

The find is not interesting. The view must be there, and it is there smile.gif. If only in the north of MO...

28.07.2010 21:48, Vlad Proklov

The find is not interesting. The view must be there, and it is there smile.gif. If only in the north of MO...

Stas, you are incompetent to talk about the MO fauna if you can say such a thing. It would be a very interesting find!
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28.07.2010 23:34, rhopalocera.com

Vlad, I'm dealing with facts. The fact that "there would be a godsend" for you is a long - established fact for me, and I don't understand why this issue is still being discussed (polyxena in the Ministry of Defense). More often you need to contact the collections of colleagues - then there will be much less such questions, and even more so statements about someone's incompetence.

28.07.2010 23:40, rhopalocera.com

And one more thing. I usually use zoogeographic burials rather than administrative divisions in my reasoning. This is much more correct. There are no obstacles to the species ' dispersal along the river valley within the same district.

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