Plans for 2010

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Andry Shaposhnikov, 04.12.2009 1:00

Friends! Who is going where, looking for fellow travelers, planning trips. Please take part in this survey.

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10.12.2009 10:39, Protey2

Uzbekistan alone or even 2-3 is not recommended. In the province, people are very angry with whites because of the construction of a dam in Kyrgyzstan and the near prospect of leaving cotton fields in Uzbekistan without water. At least 5 people need to go.

Again, some absurd statements about our independent state!
If you have any plans to travel to our region, please contact us, I will help you in any way I can.
The western Tien Shan in the form of the Chatkal ridge and other nearby areas (~100 km from Tashkent) is easily accessible, i.e. in a 1.5-hour drive zone. The Hissar foothills are also relatively freely accessible, although not close to Tashkent (~300 km).
Kyzylkum Desert-requires more thorough training and preparation (from 400 km).
It is more difficult in the Ferghana Valley (~300 km) due to the increased population density and intensive agricultural activity. In addition, the foothills of the Ferghana Valley are close to the borders of the republic and therefore not everywhere is free to visit.
Since the end of February, fishing has already begun on the plains and in the foothills. The end of the mass summer usually falls at the end of July. But even in August and September, you can still catch by climbing higher (over 2000 m). Often some species are found in November and even in December. Of course, with the appropriate weather conditions. In particular, this year the burdocks in my office garden in the center of Tashkent were fed on the blooming ivy in mid-November.
And don't scare each other with rumors! I have been living in Tashkent since 1985 (by the way, I came here from Russia) and have never (!) experienced any problems related to the national issue. Moreover, such problems are not peculiar to the outback, where the people are by definition more hospitable to newcomers, and even more so to foreigners, who in the current reality are also Russians, even more so.
If you have plans to visit Uzbekistan for entomological purposes, please contact us.

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10.12.2009 12:55, Frantic

I was in Uzbekistan in 2003.. For work.. It is symbolic that we were accompanied by a local KGB officer.. At first, we were nervous about this, but then we were even happy: he deftly solved all everyday problems, helped with everything. Yes, we did not have any overlaps and conflicts with local residents (which is understandable - we hung out either in the center of Khiva-Bukhara-Tashkent, or made stops with a security guard), but some underlying sediment still remained.. At least from such trifles as the Khiva airport, where our Asian janitors and other proletarians of intellectual labor were dramatically transformed, stood in one queue, and did not allow "whites" to enter it at all (we had to pass passport control last)! Multiplied by some not very pleasant information from people I trust (for example, I also went to South Africa without jambs, and my colleagues were severely robbed right in the rich quarter of Durban).. And when weighing your travel options, you tend to prefer Turkey (for example) rather than Uzbekistan..

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10.12.2009 14:05, Protey2

I was in Uzbekistan in 2003.. For work.. It is symbolic that we were accompanied by a local KGB officer.. At first, we were nervous about this, but then we were even happy: he deftly solved all everyday problems, helped with everything. Yes, we did not have any overlaps and conflicts with local residents (which is understandable - we hung out either in the center of Khiva-Bukhara-Tashkent, or made stops with a security guard), but some underlying sediment still remained.. At least from such trifles as the Khiva airport, where our Asian janitors and other proletarians of intellectual labor were dramatically transformed, stood in one queue, and did not allow "whites" to enter it at all (we had to pass passport control last)! Multiplied by some not very pleasant information from people I trust (for example, I also went to South Africa without jambs, and my colleagues were severely robbed right in the rich quarter of Durban).. And when weighing your travel options, you tend to prefer Turkey (for example) rather than Uzbekistan..

I do not lure anyone to Uzbekistan and do not advertise its advantages, which, compared to Turkey, are probably less here. I only offered my best help, both in informative and organizational terms, to people who are going to visit our region. I think my experience as an "old-timer" will not interfere with the implementation of someone's intentions.
If a person wants to come to us, I don't think they will regret it. If someone is looking for a reason not to come here, then there are hundreds of such reasons. Well, if the forum posts are intended to discuss "the taste of oysters with people who ate them", then I think such attacks on the whole country are not entirely correct. They only frighten the willing and annoy the knowledgeable.
In any case, statements based on certain accidents cannot create an objective description of the place. I think no one will leave Russia just because, for example, your crime rate is several times higher than in Uzbekistan, or because of a number of tragic cases recently...
We all have a sufficient number of negative memories from visiting a particular place, but the task is to implement our plans in the best possible way, avoiding troubles that can be prevented by awareness and corrections of behavior and actions.
If someone is initially interested not in the local entomological fauna, but in a comfortable pastime, then we do not have the Turkish service (and the "Soviet" one, too). Although maybe this is the beauty of our wild lands?..

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19.12.2009 14:12, Macroglossum

Oh,I see everyone here goes on expeditions.People are lucky!

By the next season, I'm going to buy a generator with a light trap and hang around the expanses of my native Ivanovo region in search of various interesting representatives of the lepidopterous fauna.Unfortunately, there is no hope for more.You can only travel to neighboring regions (Vla Dimirskaya, Yaroslavl, etc.)-this is the maximum.

In the Ivanovo region there is a place-a fairy tale.. Sezukh-Purezhka-the coast of Lukh... there's a lot going on there... Apollo hundreds of palm-sized prions in sight..Buprestides.. paleno, Orion Rivularis and many other things the place is wonderful I wish I could get there again.
And also optette and the whole set of meliteds were also served Who was fishing there

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19.12.2009 23:10, Protey2

Protey2: I've been meaning to ask for a long time: if you go to the Tashkent ROC at the end of October, is there a chance to return with a decent catch (for BEETLES) and an unbroken face? And then they write here that you can't go there alone, Lusha...

To earn money in the "muzzle of the face" you will need to try hard. Rather, representatives of the local authorities will invite you to celebrate the arrival of a prominent Russian biologist with them... And you will have to undermine your health with local vodka (not very much) and pilaf (very much). Yes, and the collection of beetles is usually carried out in places remote from housing, and therefore it is highly likely to meet only a flock of sheep with a shepherd, who is entomologized as an "icon - Papuan" (C).
But I hasten to disappoint you. At the end of October, you can hardly catch anything interesting in our foothills. In our latitudes, the activity of insects tends to the spring period (synchronously with the period of plant growth). Starting from July, the species composition decreases sharply, and by the end of August, fishing is very episodic and fairly predictable (usually 2nd generation). In the desert, however, there is still autumn activity (mainly blackbirds), but the desert begins at a distance of about 400 km from Tashkent and therefore does not belong to the surrounding area.
We need to catch beetles on the plains from the end of February to the beginning of May. Then you need to climb the mountains. You can hunt there, depending on the altitude, until the end of July, and in some places (high-altitude plateaus) also in August. Well, then it's better to focus on butterflies.
Of course, some beetle species are found before frosts (December), but I do not think that because of them it is worth filling the stain...

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20.12.2009 13:33, Protey2

Uzbek pilaf is extremely tempting...
Catch something okay... What about export?!

Well, you can meet karabuses. Piece by piece. Poecilus sp., Pterostichus sp., can old-timers Zabrus, Amara... Along the banks of mountain rivers, where there are peculiar biotopes that usually remain green until late autumn.
I don't think so. I haven't seen it. The latest ones I've caught are prionuses. They are found at 2000 m in mid-July. Although I caught a female balassogloi this year on August 15, but, however, in the mountains at 1600 m.
Plates?.. Well, there will be aphodia for sure. A couple of types. Maybe ontophages. Long-lived individuals. Others are unlikely. At least I don't have any instances of this time in my collection.
There are elephants. In particular, I have a collection of Coniocleonus nigrosuturatus with a label from 17.10.09 (by the way, they are also from 28.03.09). I also came across some small things from elephants at this time, but so far I have straightened and not determined.
Leaf beetles are likely.
That's probably all. But if you are still in our region, then contact me-we will try

20.12.2009 13:41, Protey2

Uzbek pilaf is extremely tempting...
Catch something okay... What about export?!

According to the law, fishing is allowed only if you have a license from the State Committee for Natural Resources. But in this glorious committee I was told that no one has been given such a card yet and advised me not to complicate my life...
Accordingly, when exporting fees, if you arouse suspicion and find dry land, then problems are quite possible. I haven't encountered it, but I'm sure it's solvable.
So far, for two years of sending material to Moscow through various fellow travelers, no one has found anything.
But the only hope is for the probability of a successful outcome. According to the law, you will still be wrong. Although not criminally provable

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