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guest: Гость, 04.05.2010 22:24

Here, I tried from my own point of view to consider the "material" factors that in our reality help to engage in entomology smile.gif

Passion for entomology, or exaggerated-catching butterflies, is of course primarily a state of mind. However, no matter how exalted the state of the soul is, which is ready to soar in the clouds, the reality is that you can't fly without an airplane. No, there are of course drugs and various herbs.. but here we are still talking about real butterflies, and flights, and
entomology classes in childhood, and partly in adolescence can be implemented almost on an equal footing in quite different segments of the population. It's even so - in less "elite" circles, it's much easier for children and teenagers to catch butterflies, since after all, some elite manufacturers, sorry, parents, believe that catching butterflies is an unworthy occupation for the future master of the universe(financial of course).
However, as the young entomologist grows, the age-old problem of local biodiversity appears-it is necessary to switch to independent existence. At the same time, there are not weak, so to speak, ambitions - I'm already tired of catching butterflies under the balconies of the house, I already want to fish somewhere far away.
In order to catch butterflies under the balcony or in the country did not need much - the main thing is that the parents will prepare food, and there is somewhere to sleep. But when a young entomologist enters on an independent path, then it turns out that it is necessary for him to enter on the path of commodity-money relations. And here you may already have questions, but what is it to do to do nothing, but only catch butterflies?
Enroll in a university with a specialized faculty? No way! First, if a young entomologist does not have the three factors listed below, then in order for him to graduate from university, all 5 years will have to do a lot, and by the way, not only and not so much studying, but working hard. Work and work again. And after university, having a biofactory degree in his hands, but not having an inheritance, rich relatives, he is unlikely to have a cozy business. And this means that he will again need to work, work and work. And mind you, not to catch butterflies, or even raise children, but just to get something to eat. Then he might start a business. Just do business, and it will be a little easier for him, but he will no longer be up to butterflies. Therefore, if you want to catch butterflies at least sometimes after graduating from university, do not go to the biofac, or go there only later, after physical education(yes, for those who do not have an inheritance and influential and rich relatives, law school and economics will hardly help, money likes an account, but this rule works here and back-an account likes money) or something similar. But this is already true, just for show, in the correspondence form.
But let's say a young entomologist has something else besides a sincere desire to catch butterflies...



Heritage

Rich parents and / or relatives

Cozy business

.. to begin with, let's take a little look at the concepts
of Inheritance.
This, if we move away from stereotypes, is a very broad category, which, in addition to the usual material inheritance "from the grandmother", includes many factors. A person inherits not only material goods, but also the environment, place of residence and other entities and factors.
However, the unexpected inheritance "from my grandmother" in the form of material resources is quite suitable to start catching butterflies without much concern for daily bread, unless of course the entomologist, usually not quite young, has started a family. You just need to understand, of course, that in this context, the word "inheritance" by default implies a rich, decent inheritance.

Rich relatives and / or parents
, including the newly born future entomologist, are inherited by all his relatives and, of course, parents. However, this is still a slightly different legacy, so it can be separated into a separate category. But nevertheless, this category, although for certain reasons in second place, is the main one. Without rich relatives and parents, there will be no rich inheritance, no opportunity to organize your own cozy business.

Cozy business
Rich and influential relatives and parents contribute to a more successful start in the future of a cozy business. The key word here is cozy, this is a business that brings income, but does not bring trouble, and the entomologist, living essentially on rent, catches butterflies.

In addition to these categories, there are also profitable acquaintances, a marriage of convenience(well, yes, marry a rich kikimora to catch butterflies later), but all this will be much more difficult to do if one of the above factors is not present.

And so, we can conclude that for carefree butterfly fishing in modern realities, you need to be born into a family with rich and influential relatives, including your parents, and then you may have to get a cozy business.

What does "in modern reality"mean? Is there anything else? No. But they were.
The USSR
The USSR is what some people used to catch butterflies because they didn't have an inheritance, rich and influential relatives, or a comfortable business. It's unbelievable, but it's a fact. The mechanism seems to have been something like this:
During the Soviet era, blat was very important. This mostly applied, of course, to biosocial kinship, and worked for wives, sons, sons-in-law, and so on. That is, in fact, it referred to the "rich and influential relatives" factor.
So what's the point? And the fact that under the USSR, specialized education COULD STILL, if VERY LUCKY, help those who did not have rich relatives by default. Just a scientific supervisor, if he really was a Scientist, and his biosocial ambitions were satisfied or not in the first place, as befits a Scientist, could "push" the student who took a fancy to the "feeder".
Thus, a student from a working-class and peasant family with a passion could easily pull out a lucky ticket and catch butterflies for a state account.

And yet, what does "in modern realities" mean?Were there any others? Were. Have there ever been similar realities to the current ones? Were!
Everything new is the forgotten old.
Earlier, in the days of estates and titles, only those who had rich relatives could afford to catch butterflies, and therefore an inheritance, and a cozy business like a factory or an estate, where dozens, hundreds of unrealized entomologists, geologists, and just workers and peasants created material benefits, thanks to which famous entomologists of the past caught them. butterflies.

And hence the general conclusion-if you want to catch butterflies-learn to live at someone else's expense!

And what if a specialized education+escape "abroad" and catch butterflies there for "their" finances? I think this is an obvious utopia. Even worse than the ideological base of the USSR. Which, and the USSR along with it, unfortunately, is so hated by many modern entomologists. Of course, in the U.S.S.R. it was not so easy to catch butterflies at the expense of exploiting the working-peasant masses, but the U.S.S.R. still had the hegemony of the proletariat. They didn't like parasites then.
And abroad they probably do not like them no less ardently. There are already enough people who want to catch butterflies at someone else's expense, and there are also enough entomologists with rich relatives who have their own ambitions. So, having studied at the CIS pastors and escaped abroad to catch butterflies, most likely a young entomologist will at best catch them from the window of his apartment, which he rents for a decent amount of money, which he receives by working at a local car wash. You can certainly become a microbiologist. Then you'll be dripping in a test tube, earning a decent salary if you're lucky, but you'll be dripping in a test tube, not catching butterflies.

Interesting opinion of entomologists on this issue, amateurs and professionals smile.gif

Comments

05.05.2010 11:23, Dracus

Professional entomologists and merchants sitting on the forum, apparently, do not suspect that the principle "if you want to catch butterflies, learn to live at someone else's expense!" is the only possible one in "modern realities" smile.gif

07.05.2010 9:57, Emus

Who wants to-looks for opportunities, who doesn't want to - finds reasons.

07.05.2010 10:33, Yakovlev

Entomology is not about catching butterflies. And its material base is not the opportunity to swing a net as much as you want, but the opportunity to work professionally as an entomologist.
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07.05.2010 22:42, okoem

Entomology is not about catching butterflies.
exaggerated-catching butterflies


08.05.2010 18:23, Papaver

... ... ...
Is the official entomological salary sufficient for professional entomologists in Russia? Are business trips abroad and expeditions paid for?

No.

This post was edited by Papaver-08.05.2010 18: 23

08.05.2010 20:28, Yakovlev

  
Is the official entomological salary sufficient for professional entomologists in Russia? Are business trips abroad and expeditions paid for?

No one has enough salary, not even Roma Abramovich
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12.05.2010 21:08, kovyl

I've got it all right. And this applies not only to entomology, but to science in general. Another thing is that sometimes there are people who get paid for their hobby, but this is a few percent. Most passionists give their money for their passion. On the other hand, this is their hobby. Philatelists, etc., do not require the creation of institutions for them.

19.05.2010 10:02, Penzyak

By definition, if a scientist receives a salary for his entomological research, then he is a specialist in this field. All others fall under the category of AMATEURS!? Although, take for example, regional plant protection stations - they also receive a salary for their work in combating harmful insects! But, in most cases, we will not dare to call them specialists!! And take, for example, Lavra Bolshakov (Tula, Eversmannia) - he is also a fan of going out... So, Russia "cannot be understood with the mind and cannot be measured with one yard"!

19.05.2010 14:42, Proctos

Probably the line between amateur and pro is different.
The pro MUST publish the results of his work, the amateur-as he wants.
They are also distinguished by the level of journals where they are published. Pros don't care where they publish, they choose peer-reviewed and impact journals.
And whether he gets a salary or not is not important nowadays (both here and abroad, this criterion is not the main one). I heard a story from England that shows a good attitude to payment - a curator's position in a prestigious museum was vacant, he was offered to one good specialist in the group, but he refused, explaining that he was financially well off and his conscience would not allow him to take this money from a poorer colleague.

20.05.2010 11:05, rhopalocera.com

Pro, amateur... What's the difference? The main thing is to love and know your business. Most amateur collections sooner or later fall into scientific circulation at least partially. And ... I don't have the heart to call collectors who collect their insects seriously, who know them - amateurs. They're pros, too. Only highly specialized ones. Someone likes fleas, someone - euthanasia. It is everyone's right to publish or not. Someone is more pleasant to give their materials to a "professional" (although he could have done it himself). This is because not everyone can write well. And here it is already a question of ethics. Will a "professional" allow himself to publish a list of material that is not his own, and often not defined by him, or not? Often the conscience doesn't even stir - they publish it. So... everywhere the human factor, alas.
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04.06.2011 9:16, богатая бабушка

Do entomologists really have to earn extra money? Or don't you need a lot of them?

04.06.2011 9:50, amara

Do entomologists really have to earn extra money? Or don't you need a lot of them?


Required by whom???

Country?

Tax payers?

Dying of serious illnesses?

The progress of civilization?

After all, for curiosity, natural and healthy in people who love to study

Insects, and I'm one of them, does anyone have to pay?

Who!??

04.06.2011 10:55, captolabrus

[quote=amara,04.06.2011 10:50]

04.06.2011 11:38, captolabrus

Maybe a little off topic, but the example, in my opinion, is very relevant for entomologists, well, or insect lovers, whoever you want. An aspiring landscape artist comes to a well-known painter, the master looks at his works and sees that they are very promising, but the amateur does not work out of passion, and complains that he is busy at work and there is almost no time left for painting. On what the pro advises to sleep less and, here it is time for painting is. In general, what am I all this for? We do not have enough time and money for the entomological hobby, and here we can show qualities that will help us find both, or we can just get discouraged from stating the fact that it is impossible to travel around the world and catch, catch..... I sometimes fall weep.gif confused.gif confused.gif confused.gifinto

04.06.2011 14:11, Guest

What the pro advises to sleep less

That's how it is, sleep less, eat less - and there is time, and there is money. An incomparable solution to the problem!!! ))))))) =0000000000
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04.06.2011 15:30, Liparus

What the pro advises to sleep less

That's how it is, sleep less, eat less - and there is time, and there is money. An incomparable solution to the problem!!! ))))))) =0000000000


It is known that Napoleon Bonaparte and the American inventor Thomas Edison slept 4-6 hours a day.

04.06.2011 21:23, captolabrus

What the pro advises to sleep less

That's how it is, sleep less, eat less - and there is time, and there is money. An incomparable solution to the problem!!! ))))))) =0000000000

Of course, everything is within reasonable limits, without falling into insanity, and in the end you can not do anything at all, not get carried away and not be interested , there will be no solution and there will be no problem either!
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04.07.2011 14:25, Penzyak

On the last trip, I spent my last 2 thousand re. Soon to go again-the question of WHAT??? Ow!?? Where are you Russian philanthropists and patrons of art!? About what kind of "financial base" you are talking about here, I will not understand. In our country, most of the research is done by enthusiasts and for their very modest capabilities...

04.07.2011 18:44, Proctos

On the last trip, I spent my last 2 thousand re. Soon to go again-the question of WHAT??? Ow!?? Where are you Russian philanthropists and patrons of art!? About what kind of "financial base" you are talking about here, I will not understand. In our country, most of the research is done by enthusiasts and for their very modest capabilities...

If you catch butterflies or other commercial groups, then there is no one to complain about, here everyone is for themselves. Researchers from nonprofit groups usually team up and help each other. There are also grants.

04.07.2011 20:29, Oleg Belkin

On the last trip, I spent my last 2 thousand re. Soon to go again-the question of WHAT??? Ow!?? Where are you Russian philanthropists and patrons of art!? About what kind of "financial base" you are talking about here, I will not understand. In our country, most of the research is done by enthusiasts and for their very modest capabilities...


If they, enthusiasts, research is not needed by anyone, then research is their passion, hobby...philanthropists have nothing to do with patrons. And if you need it, sell the results, personal hobbies are not fundamental science or art. Here on the site there is a topic "I offer a job to spread out" a person offered a job to spread out insects turned out to be all rich scientists...

05.07.2011 10:51, Penzyak

"Twenty - five again.":
1. Insect commerce - do we have anything else to do besides trade in insects? The market is already so saturated with Russian insects that they are already reluctant to change them over the hill. And the rarities were left in such a wilderness that they need well-prepared and EXPENSIVE expeditions...
2." Researchers from nonprofit groups usually team up and help each other " - how do they help each other? Money for travel? Or so morally-chatter on the Internet?
3. ... "no one needs their research" - yes, just stupid collecting now (and even before) nafik is not necessary for anyone...
4. "And if you need it, sell the results" - oh, another nanotechnology... Where it is seen that scientific data in the field of entomology would be in demand. We have only when "a fried rooster bites in ..." - only then do they remember about entomology. So for example, now the fact that in the summer in the forests did not burn out will be devoured by bark beetles-there will be foci, they will inevitably move to weakened trees in non-burnt forests. Or they are now actively introducing soil-free cultivation of fields in agriculture - scoops and locusts are about to multiply, and entomologists will be remembered again... And lo and behold, in the regional plant protection station two people are sitting on one chair... all dispersed. etc. etc.
5. "it turned out that all rich scientists" - and personally you tried to spread butterflies every day for at least a week... This is simply physically impossible-and even "black ones where in tutunovka".

This list can be repeated indefinitely...

05.07.2011 22:27, Oleg Belkin

On the last trip, I spent my last 2 thousand re. Soon to go again-the question of WHAT??? Ow!?? Where are you Russian philanthropists ?...


A philanthropist (from Greek φιλέω, "to love" and Greek ἄνθρωπος, "person") is a person who is engaged in charity to help those in need. The oldest form of charity is charity and assistance to the poor, mainly in churches and monasteries.

Penzyak 5. "it turned out that all rich scientists" - and you personally tried to spread butterflies every day for at least a week... This is simply physically impossible-and even "black ones where in tutunovka".

I don't need it at all, other sources of income, entomology is just a light, easy interest.
And if you want to earn money on your favorite business - you think correctly - study: locusts, bark beetles, aphids, all sorts of unseen boogers, and not walking with a net in the mountains and national parks behind Parnassus and getting together with beer at the crushed DRL on weekends.
With respect.

This post was edited by sciurus - 05.07.2011 22: 42

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