Prospects of entomophagy, what is it in Russia?

Good topic.
I tried in the forest whether chernotelki or nutcracker larva, then did not look particularly. It tastes nothing like that, almost tasteless, no disgust. But the larva of some scaraboid, most likely Cetonia, tasted terrible )

Surely the properties and healing should be just nutritious and very cheap. To do this, you need to sit over them at least in the laboratory.
Perhaps cockroaches that can be processed into flour and make nutritious cakes from it)

Good topic.
I tried in the forest whether chernotelki or nutcracker larva, then did not look particularly. It tastes nothing like that, almost tasteless, no disgust. But the larva of some scaraboid, most likely Cetonia, tasted terrible )

What was the horror? The smell? Taste?

What was the horror? The smell? Taste?

Probably thinking about pig scraper

I found in the annals a wonderful story by coleopterologist Anton Menshchikov. The theme has been present in some regions of Russia since the time of Genghis Khan!

Bashkir entomophagy

It was in 1989 in Bashkiria, near the village of Urkunda. I spent summers there with an expedition party of paleontologists, working as a cook. By agreement, local shepherds brought us milk and other products. I developed a good relationship with them, as I often treated them to tea and dinners.
One morning they brought me milk and butter as usual. I put on the kettle and began to communicate with the young shepherd Lesha. While we were talking, the head shepherd, Grandfather Rinat, went to an old clearing near the edge of the forest and began to tear off the bark from the stumps. Soon he returned to the camp and told Lyosha that there were a lot of bark beetles in the stumps. They asked me for an axe and a large bowl and went to the clearing. For half an hour, Grandfather Rinat was breaking stumps, and Lyosha was looking for something under the bark and in the wood. They returned very happy with fifty huge (up to 5 cm!), big-headed, white larvae. The miners called them "bark beetles," but I recognized them as larvae of the great pine chrysalis (Chalcophora mariana).
Grandfather Rinat said that now we will fry delicious food, asked me to warm up the frying pan, and he went to the river to wash the loot. Thinking that I was being joked at (I always caught fish on these larvae), I still lit the primus and heated the frying pan. Grandfather returned, threw 200 grams of butter into the pan and brought it to a boil. Then he emptied the washed and, worst of all, live maggots into the pan. They started twitching wildly, but soon they were all dead. During the frying process, the dish was strongly salted and flavored with red pepper. At the same time, the worms turned slightly pink, browned and fairly swollen. My grandfather did not cover them with a lid, but he stirred them all the time. The amazing thing was that during cooking, there was a strong smell of fresh pine needles, and the larvae did not give juice.
In about fifteen minutes, the dish was ready and served. The only other person in the camp was my driver, Borya. The shepherds invited him to be the first to eat "yummy food". He sat down at the table, but when he saw what he was going to eat, he got up, spat almost into the frying pan, and silently left to fix the car. The shepherds, however, were not offended, and began to woo me as a dinner companion. Being in a state of shock, I automatically preserved the table with hiking glasses and forks, poured tea for everyone, cut bread and got alcohol. Finally, they began to eat. The shepherds made themselves "atkanchai" - they put a spoonful of butter and a little salt in strong tea. I poured alcohol for everyone, and we pulled fifty grams each. The guests began to eat worms, but not with forks, but directly with their hands, taking each copy by the head and biting off the entire body. The chitinous head was thrown out.
The sight finished me off. Not only did they not wash their hands (and their hands were the color of earth), but the whole procedure of biting off the fat body of the caterpillar seemed to me outrageously disgusting. The body of the worm burst at the same time, and the internal juice with excess fat flowed over the Bashkir muzzles. They wiped themselves with bread and dirty sleeves, of course, but that didn't help much. They praised the dish very much, shook worms in front of my nose and claimed that they had never tasted such fat ones before. But all in vain, I flatly refused to eat. Even the tea was barely finished. The natives, however, were not touchy, "swept" all the worms clean, and the youngest also soaked the frying pan with bread. With a heavy heart, I saw them home, they said goodbye very kindly and promised to send their "women" so that they could get more worms in reserve.
When I got back to the camp, I washed all the dishes, cooked dinner, and in half an hour my paleontologists arrived. The driver Borya immediately told them everything. The head of the expedition just got mad, yelled at me hard, and sent me to the river to clean the frying pan, mugs and spoon, which interfered with the dish, with white soda. Pastukhov told them not to let them go to the camp anymore and not to buy food from them. All in all, the payoff was terrible.
This was my introduction to entomophagy. Later, I pondered for a long time how the Bashkirs could have picked up the habit of eating beetle larvae. The history of this people has clarified everything. Bashkirs are one of the components of the Great Horde founded by Genghis Khan. As you know, this army conquered China, the main stronghold of entomophagy. Probably, there was a mixture of cultures, which manifests itself to this day.

This post was edited by Wild Yuri - 03.01.2011 14: 06

It has long been known that many insects have an increased supply of easily digestible proteins. Many African tribes fully compensate for their needs with protein. Tell me, is it possible on a planetary scale to establish the cultivation of large nutritious larvae, for example, to meet the needs of humanity in protein? The problem is extremely urgent!

Many African tribes fully compensate for their needs with protein.

And sometimes they compensate for the need for protein in a slightly different way..
Such cases are not uncommon, especially in the Congo River basin.

And sometimes they compensate for the need for protein in a slightly different way..
Such cases are not uncommon, especially in the Congo River basin.

That's for sure. And the larvae-later, as a dessert.

And sometimes they compensate for the need for protein in a slightly different way..
Such cases are not uncommon, especially in the Congo River basin.

The last most sensational cases of which I know almost all occurred in the CAR (Central African Republic), which is a little further north. No, but seriously, which larvae are easier (economically and biologically) to cultivate en masse in order to then process and make protein concentrates from them for the entire planet. We need quite a bit-a few hundred thousand tons of green biomass and Africa and Asia are fed.

What about helminthiasis?

What about helminthiasis?

Helminthiasis of larvae - breeding a clean line. Helminthiasis in humans is a massive debasement. I don't see any problems at all - a powerful arsenal of anti-helminthic drugs will solve the problem. Colleagues, let's develop the topic in line - take everyone and feed them larvae. Down with planetary hunger!!! Question #1 What do I need? Question #2 How do I do this?

We are solving the first problem-raw materials. I see chlorella as the most economically cheap raw material for feeding larvae. Chlorella (from the Greek χλωρός, "green" and Latin ella — a diminutive suffix) is a genus of unicellular green algae belonging to the division Chlorophyta. It has a spherical shape, from 2 to 10 µm, and does not have flagella. Chlorella chloroplasts contain chlorophyll-a and chlorophyll-b. For photosynthesis, chlorella requires only water, carbon dioxide, light, and a small amount of minerals to reproduce. In terms of its nutritional value, seaweed is not inferior to meat and significantly exceeds wheat. If wheat contains 12 % protein, then chlorella contains more than 50 %. However, all nutrients are protected by a powerful cell wall that human digestive enzymes are unable to break down. Huge cultivation containers can be installed in the Sahara, where the flow of sunlight is intense almost every year. Water flows through a pipe system from the ocean. Carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

It has long been known that many insects have an increased supply of easily digestible proteins. Many African tribes fully compensate for their needs with protein. Tell me, is it possible on a planetary scale to establish the cultivation of large nutritious larvae, for example, to meet the needs of humanity in protein? The problem is extremely urgent!

Back in the USSR, about 30 years ago, there was a large article in the journal" Chemistry and Life " about the prospects of entomophagy. At that time, of course, the Soviet Glavlit read everything, and insects were not allowed in the "people's menu", but it was proposed, in particular, to feed the faces of flies manure, and then make flour from them for feeding cattle. So to speak, a direct cycle, bypassing the field... The article told about an enthusiast who bred fly larvae in his own bath, and was so carried away that his wife even ran away from him... It was a glorious time. They planned cities-houses beyond the Arctic Circle, a flight to Mars, and a food program... Now, I think we are approaching a similar era. Modernization. Russia, go ahead! And it is worth turning over the old magazine files, where bright heads, without sausage and statutes, offered very good things.
Maybe that enthusiast is still alive...
We don't need Western grants, we have them made from manure... diamonds grow!

Back in the USSR, about 30 years ago, there was a large article in the journal" Chemistry and Life " about the prospects of entomophagy. At that time, of course, the Soviet Glavlit read everything, and insects were not allowed in the "people's menu", but it was proposed, in particular, to feed the faces of flies manure, and then make flour from them for feeding cattle. So to speak, a direct cycle, bypassing the field... The article told about an enthusiast who bred fly larvae in his own bath, and was so carried away that his wife even ran away from him... It was a glorious time. They planned cities-houses beyond the Arctic Circle, a flight to Mars, and a food program... Now, I think we are approaching a similar era. Modernization. Russia, go ahead! And it is worth turning over the old magazine files, where bright heads, without sausage and statutes, offered very good things.
Maybe that enthusiast is still alive...
We don't need Western grants, we have them made from manure... diamonds grow!

That is, at a time when billions of pupaars are going to Skolkovo, when the state believes that it is better to create networks (!) of stores for the poor "Kopeyka" and "Pyaterochka" (in fact, this is the case) than to raise people's salaries and pensions, and animal husbandry in full f...pe, you suggest take the innovative "larval" path? Funny, yeah...

This post was edited by Dr. Niko - 04.01.2011 00: 19

What's he got to do with it?" I started the topic!
And in general, I think that during the New Year holidays you should relax a little!

Guys, seriously, this topic is destined to turn into a bitch. But! You will be welcomed with pleasure here in the "Forum Add-on" section: non-biological conversations about evolution." There are similar topics and those who want to save the world are a dime a dozen. Well, in theory, as in the joke Proctos'a should not work.

But what about Zog, who is working hard to depopulate people? You feed them all with maggots, they'll all breed,and again there won't be enough maggots for everyone, so what?

In general, I wonder how to properly eat acrid? We have a lot of them, and they seem to be quite edible, but what, just fry them whole, or stew them, or just eat the bellies? Who akrid tried to eat, admit

That is, at a time when billions of pupaars are being spent on Skolkovo, when the state believes that it is better to create chains (!) of shops for the poor (in fact, it is) than to raise people's salaries and pensions, and animal husbandry is in full swing, you suggest following an innovative "larval" path? Funny, yeah...

This was suggested in Soviet times in a Soviet magazine, which was read before publication by very large and authoritative people. Just Russia- "petrified". No novelty... Sliding to the state of patriarchal, bone-deep, suspicious of everything new tsarist Russia. We need to try and develop any technologies. No one has ever predicted which ones will be in demand in the future. And what we'll eat. The Americans are already ... eating! (Photo from Google). The Russians are scratching their heads...

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Guys, seriously, this topic is destined to turn into a bitch. But! You will be welcomed with pleasure here in the "Forum Add-on" section: non-biological conversations about evolution." There are similar topics and those who want to save the world are a dime a dozen. Well, in theory, as in the joke Proctos'a should not work.

On January 10, it will be possible to finish.

Clearly, I didn't understand...
ARE you a Bashkir or a Filipino?

Do you eat potatoes with tomatoes? Peter planted them once!
From squid and shrimp even my parents fainted (60s)...
You can see the thing (same Russian) IN HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENT?
Yesterday we ate turnips, then potatoes, then squid, and so on
... You can't do that.

Here are the reasons to develop the problem:

Hunger is a condition of the body caused by insufficient intake of substances necessary for maintaining homeostasis. In a global sense, this social phenomenon is determined by the absence or lack of vital components in the diet, is one of the global problems of humanity.

According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, as of September 2010, the number of people suffering from chronic hunger was 925 million, down from 98 million in 2008. Of these, 578 million live in the Asia-Pacific region, 239 million in sub — Saharan Africa, and 108 million in the rest of the world. Two-thirds of the hungry live in seven countries: Bangladesh, China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia and Pakistan. According to the UN, as of December 2008, the number of hungry people worldwide exceeded 960 million. The majority of hungry people (907 million people) live in developing countries. 65 percent of them live in India, China, Congo, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan and Ethiopia.

Anyone interested will join the discussion.

I wanted to talk more about the future in Russia... Make the menu more diverse. Entomophagy can be planted, as Peter (potatoes, tomatoes...) and Khrushchev (squid, crabs, etc.) did in their time. But this is a different era. The path of evolutionary development is adopted. That is, entomophagy will come gradually, over the course of decades, not years. Although, who knows... Plus of our era: people go abroad. There, in exotic restaurants, many people try it... Yes, check out photos of the word "Entomophagy" in Yandex! In other words, the process will probably go quite fast. It depends on the development of "outbound tourism" in Russia and, perhaps, a certain amount of propaganda. Which we're doing here. That's just no one, except for entomologists, on such forums does not wander..

Entomophagy, as far as I know, (in Oceania in particular) is an attempt to compensate for the lack of animal protein. In Russia, so far there are no problems with this.

Entomophagy, as far as I know, (in Oceania in particular) is an attempt to compensate for the lack of animal protein. In Russia, so far, there are no problems with this.

Disagree. The concept of relative hunger is applicable to Russia, which is typical for people with an income of no more than 10 thousand rubles (read pensioners, teachers, doctors, etc.).:
Absolute hunger — otherwise called deficient and is characterized by a lack or complete absence of the minimum amount of food necessary to maintain the life of the body.
Relative hunger is also called latent (or insufficient) and is characterized by chronic consumption of low-quality food products with a low content of nutrients and vitamins necessary for maintaining the active functioning of the body, which causes numerous diseases and reduces the average life expectancy.

Yes, and in Russia, the world has not converged in a wedge, it is not yet all on this planet.

Again, as an argument, I give you the corresponding article from Wikipedia (see Famine in Russia). As you can see, hunger in our country necessarily accompanied any social catastrophe that we have yet to face. Or are you somehow insured against them?

Russians are generally full, but we need to improve the "food basket". When Soviet people first saw shrimp, they called them "cockroaches" and laughed... No one remembers it now.

Yes, in general, full. But in particular, not quite so. The quality of a grocery basket is directly proportional to your financial wealth. I myself have repeatedly seen how many of our old people simply cannot afford most fruits, sausages, fish, cheeses, etc., and this is in a country where they are simply necessary for everyone, where its geographical position is the dominant development!!! Everything is dictated by climatic conditions: if you don't eat enough, you'll get sick!!! And these poor devils rush from one hypostasis to another, burn their lonely light bulbs on distant winter evenings (because they can't afford it anymore) and don't trust anyone anymore.

This post was edited by FTOR-04.01.2011 13: 28

Another photo. Quite appetizing.
Would you like to know who ate insects? Recommended types. So far, only one message (RippeR - y-thank you!)...

This post was edited by Wild Yuri - 04.01.2011 13: 34

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Yes, in general, full. But in particular, not quite so. The quality of a grocery basket is directly proportional to your financial wealth. I myself have repeatedly seen how many of our old people simply cannot afford most fruits, sausages, fish, cheeses, etc., and this is in a country where they are simply necessary for everyone, where its geographical position is the dominant development!!! Everything is dictated by climatic conditions: if you don't eat enough, you'll get sick!!! And these poor devils rush from one hypostasis to another, burn their lonely light bulbs on distant winter evenings (because they can't afford it anymore) and don't trust anyone anymore.

FTOR, I try to study the topic seriously. You're being mean. What for?

FTOR, I try to study the topic seriously. You're being mean. What for?

O creator! How deeply crippled everything is!!! Dear Yuri, I had no intention of being a prankster. I just wanted to take the dialogue in a qualitatively new practical direction: from bourgeois-glamorous sandwiches with insects to possible understanding of ways to solve world food problems. Well, look insects are relatively easy to reproduce in special conditions, and most importantly cheap. All you need is raw materials - I suggested chlorella as a feed, easy to cultivate, easy to process. And in general, I argue my answers as much as I can every time, give arguments, pros and cons, and try to identify the vectors of discussion. I wish you'd noticed that. Nothing personal, no hard feelings.

This post was edited by FTOR-04.01.2011 14: 11

Would you like to know who ate insects?

A friend was in Korea, eating fried baby pupae. They sell them on the streets there, just like we sell sunflower seeds.

I ate insects in China's Heilongjiang province-pupae, apparently A. pernyi. I didn't like it. I.e. the taste is nothing, but I'm not used to eating insects. There is a moral barrier.

I ate green and gray grasshoppers a few years ago, having previously boiled them until they "turned red" (after which I also "dragged" them in a preheated frying pan). At the first "portions" I tore off the wings and shins ("prickly"), the last-I put them in my mouth entirely. I really liked the taste. I can't describe it, because it doesn't look like any of those that I know of. The taste, I repeat, is so "good" that in one sitting I ate a little more than two dozen. In a way, I understand the biblical "desert fathers" who lived on wild honey and locusts. Maghreb Arabs dry locusts for future use.

You can only hate the enemy. Have you already registered all those who argue (and even joke) as enemies?

I don't even want to comment on it. All subsequent movements will only lead to tightening the loop. Manilovo region. It's not like that. Closed and forgotten.

About flies, manure and cows - a great idea!!! The energy of which I have yet to calculate. Xati flies don't have to be fed to cows. Please indicate at least the year of this article and the title of it and the magazine where it was published!!! Please!

Just from Yandex's top news:
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It's fun sometimes.

Someone has small pearls, but someone has nothing to eat. (Folk wisdom).

  
About flies, manure and cows - a great idea!!! The energy of which I have yet to calculate. Xati flies don't have to be fed to cows. Please indicate at least the year of this article and the title of it and the magazine where it was published!!! Please!

I don't remember the year of the article. See "Chemistry and Life" from 1978 to 1981.

I think I shouldn't have started this topic. It is interesting for talk shows (in which there would be noise! not entomologists who know it, have something to do with it, and generally find it boring to discuss it. Taxonomy and fishing reports are more interesting... This topic is not for this forum. My apologies. Got carried away. I don't want to continue. Just to learn more about other edible insects and their taste. Has anyone tried fried caterpillars?

I ate green and gray grasshoppers a few years ago, having previously boiled them until they "turned red" (after which I also "dragged" them in a preheated frying pan). At the first "portions" I tore off the wings and shins ("prickly"), the last-I put them in my mouth entirely. I really liked the taste. I can't describe it, because it doesn't look like any of those that I know of. The taste, I repeat, is so "good" that in one sitting I ate a little more than two dozen. In a way, I understand the biblical "desert fathers" who lived on wild honey and locusts. Maghreb Arabs dry locusts for future use.

This is already interesting. I really "set my sights" on this food resource, so to speak, but why not, I collect mushrooms, fish, eat wild fruits, and what is worse than straight-winged ones? Especially since the food is kosher
Only here the presence of chitinous coating is confusing, it probably does not chew. In acridae, you can tear off the bellies, and acridae are generally soft, although decticus in preimaginal age also have very soft integuments. Tolkyo decoction I think is superfluous, a lot of broth goes away.
We have very large populations of prus in the steppes, but prus are small and almost impossible to mow - they live on low-growing grasses. There are still dybki, but dybok as it were impossible, they are red book

In general, the rate of reproduction of insects amazes any naturalist. In a short period of time, a pair of individuals can grow a significant amount of entomomass. This is where the dog is buried. You need an insect that meets your goals:
1) Frequent reproduction;
2) Rapid development of young animals;
3) Rapid weight gain during development;
4) Unpretentiousness during cultivation;
5) Nutritional value (mainly protein);

I don't know what kind of insect it is yet. Maybe they really are diptera?

There is also flour khrushchak, big flour khrushchak, to be more specific. By the way, this is an interesting candidate for a dietary dish, but I'm confused about how much gregarin they contain, it's just some kind of horror, ugh, I won't eat gregarin