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Publishing descriptions of new taxa in the Journalistic Journal

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Dmitrii Musolin, 07.02.2011 11:11

Journal/Wiki publication and dissemination of new taxon description

Dear ZooKeys readers,

ZooKeys published a paper showing simultaneous description of a new species and creation of a wiki page for the taxon on www.species-id.net. The link to the wiki page (www.species-id.net/wiki/Neobidessodes_darwiniensis) is published in the original description under the ZooBank's LSID, so that readers may always link to the wiki page to see if there is any new information on the taxon there. Vice versa, readers of the wiki page will have always the possibility to link to the original journal description that will stay unchanged, as in any other conventional journal article.

While the original author(s) should always be credited through citing the journal article, further contributors to the wiki page (either the authors themselves or other interested students of that taxon) may edit/add content and be credited consequently, as well. Consequent changes could be tracked by using the wiki "page history" option.

We consider that such an approach could help in resolving the lively discussed contradiction between the "fixed" character of conventional academic publications and the dynamic nature of scientific research and of the Internet as media.

Species-id.net is a wiki-based environment that aims at creating species pages (descriptions, data on ecology, biology, distribution, keys, etc.) in addition to Wikispecies (catalogue) and Wikimedia Commons (image repository), as well as to any other biodiversity platform that may wish to link to it. Species-id is expected to be used/edited mostly by biologists with professional interests in a particular taxon.

With all best regards,
Lyubomir

This post was edited by Musolin - 07.02.2011 17: 21

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07.02.2011 12:08, amara

So, it is proposed that each new taxon, in addition to the journal (traditional) publication

it must also be presented on the web page. With all keywords

data, including DNA Sequence Data.

Yes, it's better to see it once than once ...

Here, on the example of the Australian water lover:

http://species-id.net/wiki/Neobidessodes_darwiniensis

It looks at first glance "ochti perfect", all the main things are there, even

identification plate! beer.gif

Dmitry, you should translate the branch names into Russian "for clarity".

I wonder how this initiative will be supported?

This post was edited by amara - 07.02.2011 12: 37
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07.02.2011 13:49, Pirx

"A wonderful undertaking, by the way" (c)

And those magazines and publishing houses that love press for electronic prints - how to talk them out?

07.02.2011 20:03, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg


And those magazines and publishing houses that love press for electronic prints - how to talk them out?


And you can ask about the cost of a page in Zookeys weep.gif
As they say: you are welcome! lol.gif
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07.02.2011 20:45, amara

And you can ask about the cost of a page in Zookeys weep.gif
As they say: you are welcome! lol.gif


I looked at their website, and well, 600 rubles per page, but if you consider that

ALL articles are available for free to EVERYONE who wants to read them!

then I come to the philosophical question: who should pay for the availability of information, the publisher of the article or the one who needs to read it?

Here is an example of an article, in my opinion, about the cutest of the beetles, it is very expensive
to see (actually freesmile.gif).

http://pensoftonline.net/zookeys/index.php...le/view/574/708


"Open Access Publication Fee (per page): 15.00 (EUR)
A minimum fee of EURO 150 is fixed for papers smaller than 10 printed pages. Larger papers will be charged according to the following rates:

1-10 printed pages - EUR 150
11-100 printed pages - EUR 150 + EUR 15 per page (for the number of pages above 10)
101-300 printed pages - EUR 13 per page
301 and more printed pages - Price per page by agreement
Innovative papers and reviews of special importance for science - by agreement"

This post was edited by amara - 07.02.2011 21: 44

07.02.2011 23:48, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Theoretically, I agree, but in practice.... so after all, all any solid scientific institutions already have free access to paid resources, for example, Zootaxa tongue.gif

The above does not apply to Russia frown.gif

10.02.2011 9:19, Juglans

Theoretically, I agree, but in practice.... so after all, all any solid scientific institutions already have free access to paid resources, for example, Zootaxa tongue.gif

The above does not apply to Russia frown.gif

That's exactly what doesn't apply, and the topic was created for Russian-speaking authors.

Unfortunately, now the situation is such that the log file plays a big role. In 2010, all academic research institutes collected information about how many articles were published in Russian journals from the HAC list, and foreign ones that are cited in WebSci - all other publications are almost like garbage. Depending on the number of "good" publications (and other indicators), funding for institutions will be determined.

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10.02.2011 9:50, amara

10.02.2011 13:17, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

That's exactly what doesn't apply, and the topic was created for Russian-speaking authors.


???

And how many Russian-speaking authors do you know who are willing to pay for such publications? Or do you mean Russian-speaking authors abroad?

11.02.2011 11:51, Juglans

Among my friends, there are those for whom it is not a problem to pay $ 200 for publishing their article in a good magazine. Judge for yourself: if an article is published in a journal with an IF of about 1, then for this our local scientist will receive a monthly supplement of about 4 thousand rubles for 2 years. It pays off in 2 months. Another thing is that ZooKeys doesn't have IF

11.02.2011 12:31, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Thanks! I somehow didn't think about incentive allowances.

11.02.2011 14:24, Juglans

Thanks! I didn't think about incentive allowances.

Yes, but what exactly our scientists are not ready to spend their money on is for the opportunity to download pdf articles from the same Zootaxa - begging... frown.gif

11.02.2011 15:05, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Yes, but what exactly our scientists are not ready to spend their money on is for the opportunity to download pdf articles from the same Zootaxa - begging... frown.gif


In your opinion, asking for an impression from a colleague is begging?

IF Zookeys has a rather big one.

12.02.2011 11:39, Juglans

In your opinion, asking for an impression from a colleague is begging?

IF Zookeys has a rather big one.

Of course not! It's about asking for someone else's publication.
Yes, indeed, decent, higher than that of Zootaxa - well done! beer.gif

This post was edited by Juglans - 12.02.2011 11: 42

12.02.2011 11:57, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

Of course not! It's about asking for someone else's publication.


To be honest, I didn't understand the meaning of the phrase.

In fact, you can also upload your articles to Zootaxa for free access. As in many other magazines.

12.02.2011 12:06, Juglans

We are talking about when you ask for someone else's publication, which we can't download for free, and the author is already "unavailable".

12.02.2011 12:19, Shofffer

Open access. Zootaxa endorses the open access of taxonomic information and has published more open access taxonomic papers than any other journal. Authors who have funds to publish are strongly encouraged to pay a fee of 20 US$ per printed page to give free online access of their papers to all readers at this site or their own site. Open access papers are read by more people and are expected to have higher citation rates.

12.02.2011 13:47, Juglans

In other words, the author must pay. frown.gif

12.02.2011 14:48, amara

In other words, the author must pay. frown.gif


As far as I understand from the above phrase (you need to read more on the site) all articles will necessarily be open, that is, free for everyone.

However, those who have money are encouraged (but not obligated) to pay 600 rubles per printed page, thereby paying for (=supporting) publications in open access (but probably not in the printed version?) and those who have no money for it.

12.02.2011 15:10, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

In other words, the author must pay. frown.gif


This is what I meant. i.e. by default, Zootaxa articles are paid for the reader (however, the author is free to use his pdfom, so you can not upload it to an unlimited number of people), but free for the author. However, if you pay for the publication, it will be freely available.

In my opinion, scientific publications should be free and accessible. From this point of view, the Zookeys model should be welcomed in every possible way. But! In our specific circumstances, first of all, financing, it is difficult to expect its spread.

Alas, the conversation is again slipping into a discussion of freebies...

12.02.2011 18:09, Pirx

As far as I understand from the above phrase (you need to read more on the site) all articles will necessarily be open, that is, free for everyone.


As far as I remember, after 5 years.
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12.02.2011 19:08, amara

As far as I remember, in 5 years.


Thank you for correcting me.
I was still under the impression of Zookeys. smile.gif

12.02.2011 22:57, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

I still don't understand why everyone admires Zookeys so much. They charge 1.5 times more for publishing than Zootaxa, but unlike Zootaxa, where you can print an article for free), you must pay here.
And the fact that Zookeys has a higher impact factor is very suspicious. Zootaxa will be older, and IF received recently, and Zookeys just started coming out (a little more than 2 years) - and already IF, and already more than 1.


I totally agree.

12.02.2011 23:07, Proctos

Zookeys publishers applied some tricks to promote the citation rate of their authors, it worked, the result - all at once, IF above the average in terms of subject matter. Just make a reservation, everything is within the limits of what is allowed. What exactly was done, the know-how of the founding fathers of Pensoft, so learn, sons! smile.gif
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12.02.2011 23:18, Guest

Well, I don't know about Penev's know-how, but some ways to increase IF do exist (not quite honest - if in Hamburg).
But the fact that the magazine was already born with IF is a miracle (those who have an idea about registering the magazine in the ISI database understand what it's about).

12.02.2011 23:27, Proctos

Meet Golovach and ask him how they did it.

12.02.2011 23:53, Guest

Juglans wrote:
"Judge for yourself: if an article is published in a journal with an IF of about 1, then for this our local scientist will receive a monthly supplement of about 4 thousand rubles for 2 years."

Oh, damn it... What kind of institute do you have? For us, such an article will earn the employee 30 points of PRND (if he is the only author of this article), which means about 1000 rubles per month for 2 years. And you - 4 times more?!

15.02.2011 7:33, Juglans

  
Oh, damn it... What kind of institute do you have? For us, such an article will earn the employee 30 points of PRND (if he is the only author of this article), which means about 1000 rubles per month for 2 years. And you - 4 times more?!

roughly speaking, we have 1 PRND point worth about 80 rubles., and an article in a journal with IF=1 will be rated at 45 points. The BPI is almost the same. But I know that this is not the case everywhere.

12.03.2011 15:39, Juglans

This was about the history of magazines, so I thought it necessary to put a fresh article with an opinion on this subject

13.03.2011 10:38, Guest

> I still don't understand why everyone admires Zookeys so much. They charge 1.5 times more for publishing than Zootaxa, but unlike Zootaxa, where you can print an article for free), you must pay here. And the fact that Zookeys has a higher impact factor is very suspicious. Zootaxa will be older, and IF received recently, and Zookeys just started coming out (a little more than 2 years) - and already IF, and already more than 1.

Age has nothing to do with it at all. Zootaxa passes more and more low-quality articles every year. From the very beginning, Zookeys tried to keep a higher level. According to my feelings, everything is quite consistent.

> But the fact that the magazine was already born with IF is a miracle (those who have an idea about registering the magazine in the ISI database understand what we are talking about).

You will first understand the situation, then write nonsense. Zookeys received an impact more than 2 years after its release. Exactly as much as you need to calculate the impact, according to the rules, etc.

13.03.2011 16:21, Juglans

And yet, Zootaxa publishes articles that Zookeys didn't have and probably won't have in the foreseeable future. Take at least the 1667 issue for 2007. The fall of IF for Zookeys is yet to come.

13.03.2011 17:11, barko

A few days ago, I sent my article with the first description to Zookeys. Let's see how it goes.
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14.03.2011 2:03, Proctos

Keep us updated with more details!

14.03.2011 5:51, Yakovlev

I also sent an article there a week ago, co-authored with 3 experts on the Cossidae of the Socotra archipelago.

19.03.2011 12:22, stout

> You will first understand the situation, then write nonsense. Zookeys received an impact more than 2 years after its release. Exactly as much as you need to calculate the impact, according to the rules, etc.


Do you understand the situation? I assume you have an idea how the log gets into the WoS database? From the moment of inclusion in the database, two years of preliminary calculation of IF passes, then (in two years-I repeat for those who DO NOT "write nonsense") The log file appears in the official release.
That is, Zookeys, as mentioned, was included in the WoS database immediately after birth. If you've ever had to deal with applying for a magazine to register with WoS, you'll understand what this is all about.

29.03.2011 19:46, barko

Keep us updated with more details!
On March 7, I sent the manuscript to Zookeys via their website. Literally immediately received a link from which I learned the name of the editor. A very well-known scooper, all the way from another continent. A week later, I received a letter from the editor of the magazine with three comments. The first is in terms of design (Zookeys format), the second is links in the text and a list of references, and the third is "essentially". They asked me to write out a detailed comparison of genitalia of similar species. Considering the third requirement somewhat excessive, I still rewrote diagnosis. Today, the editor thanked me for the changes I made. That's all the news for now. I apologize if I give too many details.
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30.03.2011 6:26, Yakovlev

Oleg, these details are very, very important. I'll share my impressions of working with ZooKeys and African Invertebrate later. Now there is an article in Zootaxa, most likely it will be released in May.

18.05.2011 17:44, barko

Today I received a response from the editor of the magazine and the response of the subject editor based on the review of two referees. I enclose a copy of the letter from the editorial office. I wiped out everything that can be considered confidential and left only neutral things.

zoo.jpg
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18.05.2011 19:24, Proctos

I'll share my impressions of the African Invertebrate collaboration later.

Michael is harsh, but fair! umnik.gif

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