I offer a job on spreading insects

Wow, I already have a shop in the city
It will be expensive: http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=358544

Home work is excluded, s / p piecework (up to 50 rubles/frame)

50 rubles, but not at home!
I understand that everyone believes that only their work should be well paid, and the work of other people should be evaluated as little as possible.
But this is already going over the edge...

Hehe, yes in the city of Zheleznodorozhny M. O. bottle of beer (Tuborg) approx. it costs that much. And here, as far as I understand: soak it, put it in a frame and pack it all "up to 50p".
Mr. B2B, can you also catch butterflies yourself? "Peacock's eye" from Savvinsky field?
No, even though I live in a" piece of hardware " -this job is not for me, personally.

I don't quite understand sarcasm... Real productivity of one person-from 20 frames per 8 hours of work. Accordingly, 1000 rubles / day, starting from 20 thousand rubles per month.
This is unskilled labor, i.e. labor that does not require any education, we can say that it is a "working specialty". Analog - conveyor assembly. In my experience, a person learns from scratch in less than a month...
Why did I create a theme here? I looked at how people exchange their experience in handicraft manufacturing of various accessories and it seemed to me that some of the forum members might be interested in such work. Maybe I was wrong, because our people live by the principle: "My work is expensive. And if no one wants to pay me much, then I won't work at all."
And 10 Euros each... nonsense and there is nothing to discuss the whole topic there.

I don't quite understand sarcasm... Real productivity of one person-from 20 frames per 8 hours of work. Accordingly, 1000 rubles / day, starting from 20 thousand rubles per month.
This is unskilled labor, i.e. labor that does not require any education, we can say that it is a "working specialty". Analog - conveyor assembly. In my experience, a person learns from scratch in less than a month...
Why did I create a theme here? I looked at how people exchange their experience in handicraft manufacturing of various accessories and it seemed to me that some of the forum members might be interested in such work. Maybe I was wrong, because our people live by the principle: "My work is expensive. And if no one wants to pay me much, then I won't work at all."
And 10 Euros each... nonsense and there is nothing to discuss the whole topic there.

But you probably also noticed that people here collect fees, go on expeditions, etc.and rule mainly for themselves. Here are entomologists, not those who are suffering to spread a butterfly for money for a souvenir (not seriously). For example: I went grocery shopping today and the pieces just didn't happen. Have you ever straightened dry material yourself? Do you know how long it takes?

vasiliy-feoktistov,
yes, I did. That's why I'm talking about how much you can spread out in a working day. 20 is the minimum. A professional will straighten 40. Although I, for example, prefer to spread one beetle, rather than 3-4 butterflies, although this is equivalent in time. I personally don't like to spread butterflies, but beetles can be interesting.

Ideally, the work should be pleasant or, at least, should not cause disgust. It is based on this that I created the theme.
The cost of the products you bought today has nothing to do with the topic. All people have different incomes. I have a lot of employees (in different positions) who work for about the same amount of money and don't think it's a small salary. But there are others... They earn many times more. And this is also normal. Therefore, you should not talk about your expenses in relation to a job that you do not apply for

 
This is unskilled labor, i.e. labor that does not require any education, we can say that it is a "working specialty". Analog - conveyor assembly. In my experience, a person learns from scratch in less than a month...

Maybe then you don't need entomologists, but Tajiks?

But you probably also noticed that people here collect fees, go on expeditions, etc.and rule mainly for themselves. Here are entomologists, not those who are suffering to spread a butterfly for money for a souvenir (not seriously). For example: I went grocery shopping today and the pieces just didn't happen. Have you ever straightened dry material yourself? Do you know how long it takes?

Vasily, what's wrong with you? First, they offer you a job, not a hobby. This is me about expeditions and high aspirations Secondly, payment at the level of established market prices, as far as I know, is also paid for a pupaar. Not enough? Well, it's probably someone like that. If you live in a piece of iron, then add to your potential income your expenses for daily trips to Moscow (or rather, their absence). Of course, not all the conditions are announced here, but the strictness of the employer's working conditions, I believe, may be softened over time, if you prove yourself normally. Again, a certain limit on the maximum earnings, and then, after all, you can spread it around the clock, but with the whole family, and then where to sell the goods in such quantities? So, quite a real and normal offer, do not get excited.

This post was edited by mikee-08.02.2011 00: 31

Vasily, what's wrong with you? First, they offer you a job, not a hobby. This is me about expeditions and high aspirations Secondly, payment at the level of established market prices, as far as I know, is also paid for a pupaar. Not enough? Well, it's probably someone like that. If you live in a piece of iron, then add to your potential income your expenses for daily trips to Moscow (or rather, their absence). Of course, not all the conditions are announced here, but the strictness of the employer's working conditions, I believe, may be softened over time, if you prove yourself normally. Again, a certain limit on the maximum earnings, and then, after all, you can spread it around the clock, but with the whole family, and then where to sell the goods in such quantities? So, quite a real and normal offer, do not get excited.

Come on, Mikhail, I was just finished off by the presence of a conveyor assembly in our city, but with such prices (probably really Tajiks work). I'll go ahead and find out more butterflies

In principle, 2-3 dozen soaked butterflies-you can easily spread them out in a day. 1500 per day, 30000 per month-normal

In principle, 2-3 dozen soaked butterflies-you can easily spread them out in a day. 1500 per day, 30,000 per month-normal

Do you recommend it?

Do you recommend it?

I'd like to try it.

I'd like to try it.

Aaaa... You mean that: Tads-YES!!!

In principle, 2-3 dozen soaked butterflies-you can easily spread them out in a day. 1500 per day, 30,000 per month-normal

And immediately there are a lot of questions about defaults in the B2B offer :
1. and who is soaking? I.e. does it mean the full cycle of straightening or only straightening as such?
2. how is the quality of the spread evaluated?
3. what are the penalties for damaged material (see point 2)?
4. what other requirements for straightening - with or without a pin, glue in a frame or not, etc.?

After answering questions (ask your employer, not here) everything may not be chocolate at all

And immediately there are a lot of questions about defaults in the B2B offer :
1. and who is soaking? I.e. does it mean the full cycle of straightening or only straightening as such?
2. how is the quality of the spread evaluated?
3. what are the penalties for damaged material (see point 2)?
4. what other requirements for straightening - with or without a pin, glue in a frame or not, etc.?

After answering questions (ask your employer, not here) It might not be chocolate at all

Well, what can I say?.. It is harmful to read any tabloid press like MK, arguments and facts, etc. They diligently cultivate in their weak minds the idea that the employer wants to deceive the employee
I want people to get honestly earned money and not run away from me in search of another job. But I won't support parasites.

Short description of the points:
1. Does the soaking process require significant effort? It consists of unpacking the drying material and placing it in desiccators. There are desiccators. Yes, this is part of the job of the crackdown guy.
2. Visually by me. The quality should be quite high, but taking into account the fact that this is a souvenir. For example, the paws of butterflies are extra, and beetles spread out everything, including their wings.
3. Due to the fault of the violator-refund of the cost, if the marriage is registered, then without sanctions.
4. The final product is an insect in a frame. It is in this form that the insect should be.

I'll repeat myself. I offer a full-time job with official registration (if the employee wishes). This is a normal job in production and nothing more.

P.S. About the Tajiks. I would take them. My experience shows that they WORK, and do not chew snot, like many others. But I don't want to get work permits for foreigners, and I follow the laws.

Do you have photos of your specialists ' finished products? To the studio, please. People should visually assess whether it is worth it for them to undertake at your prices?

Do you have photos of your specialists ' finished products? To the studio, please. People should visually assess whether it is worth it for them to undertake at your prices?

I don't see the point. The topic is already full of flood, because moderation on the forum is missing.

I don't see the point. The topic is already full of flood, because there is no moderation on the forum.

I don't see a flood yet.
Yes, there are people who disagree with your position. Is this what you call a flood?

Do you have photos of your specialists ' finished products? To the studio, please. People should visually assess whether it is worth it for them to undertake at your prices?

http://flors.ru/katalog/katalog/babochki

Well, what can I say?.. It is harmful to read any tabloid press like MK, arguments and facts, etc. They diligently cultivate in their weak minds the idea that the employer wants to deceive the employee
I want people to get honestly earned money and not run away from me in search of another job. But I won't support parasites.

Short description of the points:
1. Does the soaking process require significant effort? It consists of unpacking the drying material and placing it in desiccators. There are desiccators. Yes, this is part of the job of the crackdown guy.
2. Visually by me. The quality should be quite high, but taking into account the fact that this is a souvenir. For example, the paws of butterflies are extra, and beetles spread out everything, including their wings.
3. Due to the fault of the violator-refund of the cost, if the marriage is registered, then without sanctions.
4. The final product is an insect in a frame. It is in this form that the insect should be.

I'll repeat myself. I offer a full-time job with official registration (if the employee wishes). This is a normal job in production and nothing more.

P.S. About the Tajiks. I would take them. My experience shows that they WORK, and do not chew snot, like many others. But I don't want to get work permits for foreigners, and I follow the laws.

Dear "buisness-to-buisness" (B2B):
1. "It is harmful to read any tabloid press" - do not be rude, you might notice that I am on your side;
2. item 1-soaking is not always such a simple procedure as you write.
3. p. 4-it gradually turns out that you, as an employer, were initially deceitful when presenting the conditions here. That is, we are not just talking about unpacking for 50 rubles, but about manufacturing the finished product in a full cycle. And this, sorry, is a completely different song... Especially in terms of time spent.
4. You keep silent about your responsibility for the lack of downtime, since you started talking about parasites and snot-noses. I mean disruptions in the supply of components (insects, frames, etc.)
5. You keep silent about providing the employee with consumables (I hope you have some straighteners): pins, tape, glue, etc
. 6. and finally, returning to your passage about weak minds, many people here are related to business and we don't need to tell fairy tales about idealistic entrepreneurs with a shining halo. Business is a tough business, often cruel.

Good luck with your endeavor. I repeat, I don't see anything wrong with your offer. It would be even more interesting if it was a part-time job, not a job. I don't mean myself, I don't even have time to sleep

This post was edited by mikee-08.02.2011 18: 43

I looked at the link given above (if this is the same product) and came to the conclusion: this work is thankless and poorly paid and you should not even take it up. It's better to work at a normal job and for normal money. And not for a penny (in this case, this is exactly how I see this offer). And leave the spread for the soul.

I don't understand anything. really earn 25-30 tr per month. What's wrong? This is higher than the rate of a professor at the Moscow pedagogical university, if anything! Details sharpen for 10-15 t. p. also not sugar. A normal offer for those who are looking for a job.

"Do not give the holy things to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, for they will trample you into the mud and tear you to pieces." Truly, the Bible is an eternal book.

I don't understand anything. really earn 25-30 tr per month. What's wrong? This is higher than the rate of a professor at the Moscow pedagogical university, if anything! Details sharpen for 10-15 t. p. also not sugar. A normal offer for those who are looking for a job.

Roman, in the Moscow region 25-30t. p. of course money, but not so much what to take it for the main work. As a part-time job, that's another matter (in your spare time).
Of course, you can call me a parasite (a matter of taste), but for this money I would not work, knowing the complexity and responsibility of the proposed technical process. This is my personal opinion, of course.

Muscovites got drunk

Muscovites got drunk

Yes, not zazhralis, this is life. Moreover, apparently some kind of" sharaga " is being offered. Well, I do not know in " Obiralovka "(Probably everyone read Anna Karenina), but now it is G. Zheleznodorozhny such a company that would deal with such cases. Although maybe I don't know what? Life is evil and you have to choose a job very carefully.

Speaking of salaries in the Moscow region.
Zheleznodorozhnoye has about 120 thousand inhabitants. And there is practically no work. Driving to Moscow is long and expensive.
My movers get 20 tr each, and my sellers also get about this amount. For managers, the starting salary is about the same... And they work... They work well.

Well, I guess I made a mistake and dear forumchane quite wealthy people that would be interested in my offer.
I apologize for bothering you and creating the wrong topic.

In principle, the topic can be closed for exhaustion.

It's not a big deal: I've been going to Moscow all my life and I haven't worked too hard (since I've only been working for about half an hour), and I honestly work in a different field. And the topic in my opinion, too, it's time to close.

Come on, what to close-then, maybe, who needs it. Delete all messages except the first one and clarify the vehicle about the framework/razmochek — and it will be fine...

And yes, if a person in the Ministry of Defense takes on such work under the Labor Code and therefore does not want to take "Tajiks" — he is already well done. And if there's not enough money, they just won't go, it's a big deal...

I don't understand either! A person offered me a job. If you don't like the terms and conditions or the payment, don't work. No problem at all.

I also support the proposal.The price is quite real.The person takes on the full cycle.This is exactly the right offer for me personally.Distance is another matter.
A little criticism-
You, dear, if you paid attention to handicrafts, still had to pay attention to their demonstration.Box masters show their products.You could use some self-promotion, too.
Contact me by PM or taler@front.ru , can we think of something

I looked at a photo of the finished product. The photographer should have torn his hands off...

Yeah! The price of 2 bucks for a souvenir in our time is cool! Now it's less than 150 rubles apiece (I'll just note the spread) almost no one takes it anymore, except for a beginner. Complete divorce!!!. The employer gives prices in 2000, gentlemen, taking advantage of the difficult situation with getting a job in the Moscow region and in the country as a whole. Although I am more than sure that there will be interested parties.

Okay, since the flood has gone, let's talk about abstract topics

I looked at a photo of the finished product. The photographer should have torn his hands off...

Well, where on earth did you see my post with photos of "finished products"?

Sanbor,
can you imagine the pricing for such production? How much do you think a bourgeois employer who invested money and provided jobs earns from one job, for example, with Morpho Didius?.... Your assumptions to the studio. For reference: the retail margin is 100% of the wholesale price. This is the minimum. And I have wholesale.
And another question: how much money do you think you need to invest in such a business to create these very jobs?
Count and try to show me the opportunity to pay the mythical 150 rubles for a simple spread. I agree if a "collector" comes to the entomologist and brings one or two or five butterflies and says: spread them out. It can cost as much as 10 euros apiece. But on the stream, considering such a variation of artisanal prices is simply ridiculous.

In general, can someone give a specific example with evidence that the rasprovshchik actually received 150 rubles. for rasprovshku one butterfly when ordering more than 1000 pieces? Or is it all rumor and speculation?

Why rumors?..Irina, it seems, (according to her own words)has a clientele and successfully spreads very efficiently for 10 euros.

Why rumors?..Irina, it seems, (according to her own words)has a clientele and successfully spreads very efficiently for 10 euros.

Key point: "according to her". I'm Prince Charles. Do you believe it? So I doubt it.
Although, perhaps, they bring one insect a month...
I asked about something else: is there reliable information about the distribution of LARGE volumes for such money?

I don't see the point. The topic is already full of flood, because there is no moderation on the forum.

I don't see a flood yet.
Yes, there are people who disagree with your position. Is this what you call a flood?

Okay, since the flood has gone, let's talk about abstract topics

to B2B: Not clear, your understanding of the "flood". What do you call it? Disagree with your proposal? This is a forum where everyone has the right to express their opinion. You should have anticipated this reaction in advance and not created this topic. If you have employees who charge 50 rubles for such work, this does not mean that everyone will immediately rush to you to ask for work. This is an Entomological forum, not a forum for hired souvenir makers.

to B2B: Not clear, your understanding of the "flood". What do you call it? Disagree with your proposal? This is a forum where everyone has the right to express their opinion. You should have anticipated this reaction in advance and not created this topic. If you have employees who charge 50 rubles for such work, this does not mean that everyone will immediately rush to you to ask for work. This is an Entomological forum, not a forum for hired souvenir makers.

I apologize, not flood, but flame, i.e. Deviation from the topic. In this case, the topic is a proposal for a specific job, and only questions and answers about the subject will be used as comments on the topic. I emphasize: questions and answers, not opinions. There is only one such post in this topic. And one of my answers. All personal opinions do not apply to the topic because I did not ask to discuss the terms.