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2nd edition of the Catalog of Lepidoptera of Russia

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13.06.2020 16:53, niyaz


Two examples.
Half-breed. There are no mestizos in the Saratov and Rostov regions, there are no mestizos in the Caucasus (there is no material), there are mestizos in the Astrakhan region, and in the very south of the Volgograd region. How so??? But the fact is that neither Vasily Vasilyevich, nor Lavr Valeryevich, nor Poltavsky can distinguish a half-breed from a form of Elijah. Will this change anything? Absolutely nothing, and they will always refer to each other. Because poh.


In the literature, even for the Samara region, the metis is listed in the work Sachkov, Antonova, and Sviridov, 1996 "Invertebrates of the Zhiguli Reserve" with the words: "A. metis brunea H.-S. is common but very local. Years in late June-early July. Shrubby willows. In the reserve only on Shalyga Island." And this indication seems to me quite reliable, because if it was a rare form of Elijah, then why is it listed as "common" and not found in another territory?

Орната. It is not available in the Astrakhan region, Anikin refers to Wink, and Wink had no material on ornata from the word "at all". Because poh.

And how was I to know that Anikin or Morgun didn't have Ornata in their materials? Was it published somewhere? We don't have telepathy skills yet. And how can you not believe in the presence of this species in the Astrakhan region if you also indicated it for the neighboring Volgograd region?

13.06.2020 18:15, гук

In the literature, even for the Samara region, the metis is listed in the work Sachkov, Antonova, and Sviridov, 1996 "Invertebrates of the Zhiguli Reserve" with the words: "A. metis brunea H.-S. is common but very local. Years in late June-early July. Shrubby willows. In the reserve only on Shalyga Island." And this indication seems to me quite reliable, because if it was a rare form of Elijah, then why is it listed as "common" and not found in another territory?
And how was I to know that Anikin or Morgun didn't have Ornata in their materials? Was it published somewhere? We don't have telepathy skills yet. And how can you not believe in the presence of this species in the Astrakhan region if you also indicated it for the neighboring Volgograd region?

Half-breed. Yes, there is no half-breed there, as well as on the Don. Because it is customary to consider all redheads and girls as mestizos. Just, if you do something, then you need to understand, understand well, read Grumm-Grzhimailo, do not like Grumm, there are Western works. In any case, as Lavr Valeryevich says, if you can't determine for yourself, contact experts. How long will this confusion continue???
Орната. Either there should be material on hand, or it would be necessary to review all the information that came out after Tuzov 2000 before publication, and there was enough of it, from this information it would be clear that there are no biotopes for ornata, or contact specialists, and you can put pluses at least for all types, only a penny for this pluses. And telepathy has nothing to do with it, you need to be honest and professional.
But what a misfortune! The "meters" have such broad interests that mestizos and ornates – ugh, trifles. But "catalog", "Volga-Ural"!

13.06.2020 18:32, гук

 
And how was I to know that Anikin or Morgun didn't have Ornata in their materials? Was it published somewhere?

Yes, it was published.
http://babochki-kavkaza.ru/index.php/nymph...ura-metis-.html
http://babochki-kavkaza.ru/index.php/nymph...ea-ornata-.html

13.06.2020 19:31, niyaz

Yes, it was published.
http://babochki-kavkaza.ru/index.php/nymph...ura-metis-.html
http://babochki-kavkaza.ru/index.php/nymph...ea-ornata-.html

On the page of metis, I found no indication that Anikin, Poltavsky, or Bolshakov define it incorrectly, as stated above.
The ornata page also does not contain references to the works of Anikin and Morgun, but it is clear that its habitats belong to the Don basin. In any case, a plus sign or question mark for region No. 12 in the Catalog would not be superfluous, given that in the north of Kalmykia there are chalk slopes belonging to the Don basin.

13.06.2020 21:25, Artsat

Pyrgus andromedae in the Vologda region? This is what the caterpillars develop on there? But P. centaureae may well be. So it is correct that the dubious is filtered out!

13.06.2020 23:25, Ilia Ustiantcev

Well, in principle, Wikipedia mentions dryad as a food plant, and the 6th region is not only the Vologda region, but also the Arkhangelsk region.

13.06.2020 23:41, Vlad Proklov

Well, in principle, Wikipedia mentions dryad as a food plant, and the 6th region is not only the Vologda region, but also the Arkhangelsk region.

No, it was mentioned not for the Arkhangelsk region, but for the Vologda region, by Nikolayev and Korb. Both authors are on the forum, they can post photos.

PS And the Vologda Region is the 7th, not the 6th region.

The post was edited by kotbegemot - 13.06.2020 23: 45
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14.06.2020 6:28, гук

On the page of metis, I found no indication that Anikin, Poltavsky, or Bolshakov define it incorrectly, as stated above.
The ornata page also does not contain references to the works of Anikin and Morgun, but it is clear that its habitats belong to the Don basin. In any case, a plus sign or question mark for region No. 12 in the Catalog would not be superfluous, given that in the north of Kalmykia there are chalk slopes belonging to the Don basin.

A raven won't peck out a crow's eye.
You think in the same categories, "pluses", as the above-mentioned authors, only in reality all this is not so, but you don't really care.
Falsification, incompetence, vanity fair - that's all you need to know about entomology.
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14.06.2020 7:42, гук

On the page of metis, I found no indication that Anikin, Poltavsky, or Bolshakov define it incorrectly, as stated above.
The ornata page also does not contain references to the works of Anikin and Morgun, but it is clear that its habitats belong to the Don basin. In any case, a plus sign or question mark for region No. 12 in the Catalog would not be superfluous, given that in the north of Kalmykia there are chalk slopes belonging to the Don basin.

Half-breed.
Have you seen the map on the site? So, Poltavsky knew what a half-breed was, but Stradomsky didn't?
All this is solved very simply. Where can you see, once again, see, a half-breed from the Don or from the Samara or Saratov regions?
The trick is that I can show all my material at any time upon first presentation.

14.06.2020 8:10, niyaz

Pyrgus andromedae in the Vologda region? This is what the caterpillars develop on there? But P. centaureae may well be. So it is correct that the dubious is filtered out!

Now that you've noticed it, the indication looks questionable. Apparently, the magic of names had an impact. After all, when you read, for example, the list of lepidoptera of the Basegi Nature Reserve of the Perm Region compiled by a certain Kurulyuk or the Nurgush nature Reserve of the Kirov region by a certain Tselishchiva, you think "no, bullshit, this can't be!", another thing is when you read the works of famous people. But I note that the indication in the same place "Pyrgus armoricanus" for the Vologda region we still shallowed.
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