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Book lice. Are there any ways to get rid of it?

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daniela, 19.07.2010 0:57

I apologize for my persistence. I already asked this question a few days ago,but unfortunately no one answered me. I understand that you are discussing more interesting,professional issues,but that is why I turned to you for help. Please give me some advice! For 3 years now, I have been living in a constant, daily struggle with these insects, and so far only they are "winning". My life has become a nightmare. Maybe I don't react to them in the right way,but I can't get along with them. What should I do? Why me? After all, I didn't see them anywhere else. The first time I noticed these tiny insects was at least 3 years ago. I didn't know who they were then. Over the years, I've learned everything I can find about them (both in books and on the Internet). I even submitted them for analysis to the laboratory, where they told me the exact name-book lice. But there is almost no information about how to deal with them,and the one that is absolutely does not help. Is it really impossible to get rid of them? Help!

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19.07.2010 5:07, amara

I don't know how to get used to them, but you can get used to them, they are quite harmless (I also had them).
Is that to reduce the humidity in the apartment.
And stop worrying about them, there are more important problems.

22.07.2010 18:29, daniela

You say you were? So they've gone somewhere after all? Did you get rid of them somehow? I haven't gotten used to it in 3 years,which means I won't be able to. Periodically, there are so many of them that they are in all food products, in clothing. I have to go through all the cabinets once a month. This is simply not physically possible. And how to live with them?

22.07.2010 19:07, amara

You say you were? So they've gone somewhere after all? Did you get rid of them somehow? I haven't gotten used to it in 3 years,which means I won't be able to. Periodically, there are so many of them that they are in all food products, in clothing. I have to go through all the cabinets once a month. This is simply not physically possible. And how to live with them?


I didn't get rid of them, I probably didn't have as many of them as you do, but on the contrary, I was glad that I could practice identifying a new (then for me) insect. Since then, I rarely see them, if at all.
They feed on a special type of mold that occurs most often on indoor paper wallpaper (or the type of glue that was used?). and book bindings (hence the name). For all this, it is necessary to maintain high humidity in the apartment.
Therefore, I suggested trying to lower it (humidity) somehow, although I'm not sure that this will help 100 percent. If I find out something else (on fighting methods), I'll let you know.
But I know for sure that it is even more important to pay less attention to them (these harmless little ones), that is, relax (try) yes.gif.

22.07.2010 19:15, amara

Yes, here in this article on combating it (in English) they write that it is necessary to remove mold and fungi wherever possible in the apartment, and then dry it, that is, reduce humidity.

http://www.bugspray.com/article/psocids.html

Here is the machine translation into Russian

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...%2Fpsocids.html

This post was edited by amara - 22.07.2010 19: 16

22.07.2010 21:06, Zlopastnyi Brandashmyg

A few years ago, book lice began to breed en masse in my dacha, and then just as inexplicably disappeared. Humidity fluctuations? They did not cause any harm, so they did not pay attention to them. With one exception - after putting sugar in the cup, a few insects always floated to the surface. Frankly, not very pleasant.

25.07.2010 13:01, daniela

Thank you so much for your response. The article is really more detailed than the ones I've found so far. Now it remains to find somewhere all these "poisons". I don't live in America... Do you know where we can find these chemicals?

25.07.2010 15:08, amara

Thank you so much for your response. The article is really more detailed than the ones I've found so far. Now it remains to find somewhere all these "poisons". I don't live in America... Do you know where we can find these chemicals?


I personally do not recommend using chemicals (those that get into the air) in the apartment (except for force majeure situations), it does more harm to yourself (it affects later, not immediately), but you can try to lower the humidity in the room. And that's why I don't know where they buy them. Although the main ingredient is PYRETHRIN (I don't know how safe it is or its more powerful synthetic analogues - PYRETHROIDS), you can probably get it easily.

This post was edited by amara - 25.07.2010 15: 15

31.07.2010 7:52, Мимоносец

I don't know how to get used to them, but you can get used to them, they are quite harmless (I also had them).


Sometimes, however, very rarely, these things (hay eaters) are very "offensive" ... Sometimes people are attacked ((instead of bookssmile.gif). I have exactly this case. For a long time I could not find a laboratory where they would determine the type of insect, finally I found it at the Institute of Parasitology and Tropical Medicine, fortunately, such cases are known there. They have determined something, but no one knows how to deal with them. Also, here, I'm looking for information about this.
I know only one thing for sure - it is impossible to fight them with water solutions of pyrethroids, they only get even more divorced from this-despite the poison, the larvae hatch. It is necessary to take solutions for alcohol, for example. Although, probably, the larvae will remain alive, only there will be no brood. Before cleaning the floors...

The post was edited by Mimonosets - 31.07.2010 08: 05

31.07.2010 9:26, okoem

Thank you so much for your response. The article is really more detailed than the ones I've found so far. Now it remains to find somewhere all these "poisons". I don't live in America... Do you know where we can find these chemicals?

IMHO, now to buy something in America, there is no need to live there. You can try to find it and order it online.

31.07.2010 9:42, amara

Sometimes, however, very rarely, these things (hay eaters) are very "offensive" ... Sometimes people are attacked ((instead of bookssmile.gif). I have exactly this case. For a long time I could not find a laboratory where they would determine the type of insect, finally I found it at the Institute of Parasitology and Tropical Medicine, fortunately, such cases are known there.

They have determined something, but no one knows how to deal with them. Also, here, I'm looking for information about this.

I know only one thing for sure - it is impossible to fight them with water solutions of pyrethroids, they only get even more divorced from this-despite the poison, the larvae hatch. It is necessary to take solutions for alcohol, for example. Although, probably, the larvae will remain alive, only there will be no brood. Before cleaning the floors...


In my opinion, I read about it somewhere, although it's hard for me to imagine how these delicate microbes (feeding on mold) bite through human skin.

The main method of struggle is drying the room, they die at a humidity of less than 50 percent. For this purpose, hair dryers (large of course) with heating are used. Haven't tried it?

And you probably wanted to say eggs, not larvae, it is the eggs of hay eaters that are most resistant even to chemical treatment, and then, when the adults have disappeared, they can restore their numbers.

31.07.2010 12:22, Мимоносец

In my opinion, I read about it somewhere, although it's hard for me to imagine how these delicate microbes (feeding on mold) bite through human skin.

No, they don't bite through. They just sit there and chew...

31.07.2010 12:45, amara

No, they don't bite through. They just sit there and chew...
That's right, eggs, I was wrong, I read that they pass the larval stage.
Thank you, I'll try your suggestion for drying the premises, but the eggs will probably stay alive?


In order to remove completely, repeated treatments (=drying) are carried out, after a week, to destroy those who came out of the eggs, and so on several times, until they completely disappear.
I didn't do it myself, but this is how they advise in articles on combating them, noting everywhere that it is not easy, that is, you need to "sweat".
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31.07.2010 13:41, Bad Den

Mimonos, congratulations, you've finally found the one who's biting you. The only thing that confuses, hay eaters insects are quite large, Are you sure that this is them? I remember you talking about microscopic "dust".
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31.07.2010 15:49, Мимоносец

Mimonos, congratulations, you've finally found the one who's biting you. The only thing that confuses, hay eaters insects are quite large, Are you sure that this is them? I remember you talking about microscopic "dust".

Thank you.
I didn't even notice the elephant... smile.gif It is reassuring, however, that not only I, an amateur; did not notice (or did not want to) in 2 laboratories! That's why I was looking for something microscopic... By the way, in the last pictures in that topic, they are there, only the whiskers and paws are pursed up, dead after all...
Well, not so big - about 1 mm.

The post was edited by Mimonosets - 31.07.2010 16: 14

16.08.2010 21:05, Мимоносец

The author of the topic will find it useful - I found a means to combat hay eaters, this is fumigation with methyl bromide. This method of book storage is processed, almost one hundred percent result. Now I'm negotiating with one of the offices (if necessary, I'll tell you which one), regarding the processing of the house.
And I was also asked to treat the house with formaldehyde (the same fumigation), a question for entomologists - will formaldehyde destroy these insects?

23.08.2010 16:55, Bad Den

Mimonosets, you will not be able to negotiate with anyone. Because a) bromomethyl is not included in the list of approved pesticides on the territory of the Russian Federation; b) fumigation of a residential apartment building with bromomethyl is a real term for someone who will carry out such work.

07.09.2010 0:39, Мимоносец

Perhaps you're right, the office only promised bromomethyl, and they wanted to work with phosphine. The latter, as far as I know, oxidizes copper and some precious metals, which threatens the failure of all electronics in the house, as well as the oxidation of electrical wiring connections. In general, in another company I ordered and carried out processing with pyrethroid sticks. Now I live in the house, but all the time I'm afraid of one thing-the hatching of eggs if the floors are washed... Nonsense, of course, but there is a sad experience... That's how I live, for now...

18.11.2010 15:05, Brillion

Mimonosets, daniela, how are you getting on with your insect breeding? 2 months have passed since the last message in the topic

31.01.2011 12:22, daniela

I return to a seemingly forgotten problem... Please respond to anyone else who can give you any advice. I never got rid of these "creatures"... The fact is that I took drastic measures. There was no way to get rid of them, so I changed my apartment. When moving, everything was carefully sorted and processed. But, and in a new place after a couple of months, I began to find several "ecz instances". There weren't many of them,but I moved them anyway. Then I tried to follow completely all the advice that is given on the Internet. I covered up all possible cracks, baseboards, etc. (I'll tell you the work was for a couple of months). Once a week, I sprayed the apartment with pyrethrin spray. This continued throughout the spring and summer. And then I finally had a peaceful life! 5 calm and joyful months! For 5 months I did not find a single "lice". Finally, I stopped breathing pyrethrin (by the way, I had a strong allergy from it). And yesterday I found 3 tiny"lice", and today 2 more. So they just "went into hibernation" for the winter? I read that in the winter months they are almost nonexistent,but just in February they begin to "hatch", so to speak. Is that so? So what do we do now? I don't know what else to do. And where do they come from? Do I have to live with them all my life? Maybe someone says that it's not scary,but I can't do that. Can you tell me what to do next?

31.01.2011 13:21, amara

31.01.2011 20:03, Brillion

The same problem, got rid of but temporarily. They creep in again sometimes. I smeared the baseboards with cockroach gel, took out everything that could possibly be a breeding ground for the creatures - books, old clothes. The toilet and bathroom (where there were most of them) were abundantly watered with Raid. I threw moth repellents in all the cabinets and boxes. Periodically I wash the floor with the addition of ammonia. The global invasion that I observed 3 months ago is no longer there. I keep the situation under control.

31.01.2011 20:59, okoem

So what do we do now? I don't know what else to do. And where do they come from? Do I have to live with them all my life? Maybe someone says that it's not scary,but I can't do that. Can you tell me what to do next?

In order for the insect to disappear once and for all, it is necessary to destroy/disrupt its habitat. As far as I understand, book lice are not able to live in dry rooms. Hence the conclusion - as soon as you can reduce the humidity in the apartment, they will immediately take a break.

Periodically I wash the floor with the addition of ammonia.

IMHO, the more often you wash the floor, the higher the humidity in the apartment. And it's good for book lice.

My apartment is dry, I don't even know what it looks like, this book lice...

01.02.2011 0:03, Brillion

I'm also very dry. I will never believe that regular cleaning, even wet, will affect the population. Rather, its absence.

02.02.2011 11:22, daniela

I can't help but clean the floors, either. I don't think dirty floors will help kill insects. Moreover, I have a child playing on the floor. Are there any other ways to reduce humidity in the apartment?

02.02.2011 11:49, amara

02.02.2011 12:12, okoem

I can't help but clean the floors, either. I don't think dirty floors will help kill insects. Moreover, I have a child playing on the floor. Are there any other ways to reduce humidity in the apartment?
Dirty floors are certainly not the solution to the problem, especially since with unwashed floors, humidity will still remain, as I understand it. Wipe floors with a semi-dry cloth.
Increased ventilation and heating contribute to reducing humidity. If there is water on the first floor and in the basement, then you probably need to do waterproofing. In the kitchen, do not boil anything with the lid open, make a good hood. Good ventilation and heating of the bathroom. Do not dry clothes inside the apartment.
In general-to understand what are the sources of humidity (basement, kitchen, bathroom, aquariums) based on this and fight (ventilate, ventilate, heat). A large number of residents / animals/plants in a small living space also contributes to an increase in humidity.
At my dacha, the humidity increased significantly after installing plastic windows.

This post was edited by okoem - 02.02.2011 12: 25

03.02.2011 12:48, Мимоносец

I never got rid of these "creatures"... Can you tell me what to do next?


You can try another remedy, ozonation. That is, for example, take a sufficiently powerful quartz UVL lamp, turn it on for a day or two in the room and do not go in. Just keep in mind that some plastics become brittle when exposed to ultraviolet radiation, and some paints fade.
And yet (I have already sent you a PM), still, find the source of their food and eliminate it. Perhaps these are old books, magazines, etc.
I've heard somewhere that false scorpions eat hay eaters. Maybe it's also an option?

This post was edited by Mimonosets - 02/16/2011 19: 17

02.03.2012 22:06, shelin

As I understand it, moving is not an option, you can take these lice with you and they will breed again in a new place. And then what to do if you need to move out of the apartment soon? I would not like to see these insects in a new place. A year I live in an apartment where high humidity, even mold on the walls happens, recently discovered, in short, not an apartment but a basement, which turned out to be, so I decided to change housing, besides, my daughter was born, I don't want her to face these beetles when she starts crawling. What to do then? How do I move so I don't have to take these little bastards with me?

03.03.2012 0:48, Bad Den

As I understand it, moving is not an option, you can take these lice with you and they will breed again in a new place. And then what to do if you need to move out of the apartment soon? I would not like to see these insects in a new place. A year I live in an apartment where high humidity, even mold on the walls happens, recently discovered, in short, not an apartment but a basement, which turned out to be, so I decided to change housing, besides, my daughter was born, I don't want her to face these beetles when she starts crawling. What to do then? How do I move so I don't have to take these little bastards with me?

Moving is quite a way out

06.09.2012 16:04, AGG

At my work, in a warehouse (room 3*4 m) where several bags of wheat are stored, a SEA of hay eaters has grown in a short time. the walls and ceiling were moving in the truest sense of the word. I gave them a "gas chamber" last night. Fortunately, I work at a diesel station and everything is there for thiswink.gif, I took out my favorite pulsFOG K-10-SP gun and charged it with "cifox"shuffle.gif....

you need to know the enemy by sight
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weapons of retribution
picture: pulsFOG_K_10_SP_s.jpg

results (food moth still got under the distribution, but its percentage in this pile is negligible)
picture: res1s.jpg
picture: res2s.jpg

on Friday evening I will repeat the procedure to consolidate the result yes.gif
at the sight of this pile, there are still pacifists talking about "harmless babies"?

This post was edited by AGG-06.09.2012 16: 27
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07.09.2012 12:54, swerig

I gave them a "gas chamber"last night

This should be included in fishing reports. smile.gif First place by number of copies wink.gif
And the last photo can be placed on cigarette packs. Smoking KILLS!

This post was edited by swerig - 07.09.2012 12: 56
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07.09.2012 20:04, AGG

This should be included in fishing reports. smile.gif First place by number of copies wink.gif
And the last photo can be placed on cigarette packs. Smoking KILLS!

or in "sale-purchase-exchange.." and on kg lol.gif
Vitamin cigarettes compared to the ALT package on which they stand wink. gif

04.10.2012 13:45, Мимоносец

and I charged it with "cifox" shuffle.gifthat's what came out of it....


I wonder what concentration of cypermethrin you had, because these creatures are extremely resistant to such solutions?

04.10.2012 20:44, Коллекционер

 
They feed on a special type of mold that occurs most often on indoor paper wallpaper (or the type of glue that was used?). and book bindings (hence the name). For all this, it is necessary to maintain high humidity in the apartment.


and I began to notice them on mattresses with insects that lie in the nightstand..
that they're there.. are they eating my insects?? confused.gif

04.10.2012 21:38, AGG

yeah yes.gifand there are

05.10.2012 8:17, Bad Den

I wonder what concentration of cypermethrin you had, because these creatures are extremely resistant to such solutions?

How are you doing?"

06.10.2012 23:33, Мимоносец

Yes - just like in a fairy tale!

12.10.2012 13:54, Maria777

Hello!

I, too, these hay-eaters are already completely fed up. Crawling on the walls throughout the apartment, found in the products, now you have to inspect everything very carefully. Not life, but just a nightmare. I want to ask for advice (I already asked the Mimonos, but there are still questions, and I don't want to bother the person in the personal account). As I understand it, these reptiles need humidity, right? I have humidity and temperature monitors all over my apartment. What humidity is considered normal? More precisely, to what percentage should this humidity be reduced in the apartment?
The second question is: where do the reptiles come from? They called a "specialist", he doesn't really know. I gave him some kind of pshikalka and said to process around the window, like they come from outside. But there are no windows in the bathroom and corridor, and there are reptiles! Can the skirting board be processed? I also don't know how to find their power source. I had dried flowers on my windowsill, so I threw them away and sprayed poison all around. On the trail. a lot of hay eaters were dead on the windowsill during the day. But the problem was not solved. As they crawled on the walls, so they crawl. I have a small child and I'm just on the verge of a nervous breakdown and divorce from my husband (who, like many men, is indifferent to creatures).
Help kind people, please!

This post was edited by Maria777 - 12.10.2012 15: 28

12.10.2012 14:56, Dmitry Vlasov

Humidity in residential areas is considered normal in the range of 40-60%, in kitchens and bathrooms is not normalized. Today I went to check the apartment on the complaint. There is 70% humidity - hay eaters on the floor, sugar flakes under the wallpaper...

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