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Helene, 13.10.2005 18:15

Here are photos of my steppe grasshopper. Taken last year (late July or early August) in the r valley.Polosnya (Serebryano-Prudsky district, Moscow region). Biotope-meadow steppe in the upper part of the slope of the beam (actually, it flows along the beam of Polosnya - this is actually a stream smile.gif)


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This post was edited by Helene - 10/13/2005 18: 21

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13.10.2005 21:05, Dracus

Apparently, this is Poecilimon smidti

14.10.2005 9:15, PVOzerski

Similar to Poecilimon. But why schmidti? This is a large genus.

18.10.2005 17:30, Насекомовед

Identify up to one species based on photos of representatives of the genera Poecilimon and Isophya (in total, more than 40 species in the former Soviet Union) I wouldn't risk it. We are waiting for next summer, I hope to drive with Helene to this place and take the runner alive. I can't say whether P. intermedius is similar or not, because I have never seen their males.

PS can be not only P. schmidti, but also, for example, P. scythicus.

This post was edited by Insect Expert - 10/18/2005 17: 35

18.10.2005 17:33, Dracus

And you're right. It's not really schmidti - I looked at the instance at home - it doesn't look like it, that's for sure.
This is probably P. scythicus Stshelk.
(photo from the gallery of A. P. Mikhaylenko)
Of course, it is best to see the churches smile.gif

This post was edited by Dracus - 18.10.2005 17: 34

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18.10.2005 17:37, Насекомовед

2Dracus
: How we simultaneously famously unsubscribe the definition!!!

19.10.2005 11:34, Helene

What are the females of P. scythicus like? Also with a yellow stripe or pure green? The fact is that the females were pure green (but not the constrictus - their ovipositor is rounded). I was sure it was sexual dimorphism, but what if they were two different things?

19.10.2005 14:33, Dracus

Females like this (photo from the same wonderful photo gallery)

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19.10.2005 14:56, Helene

Basically, green... Although it is necessary, of course, to look. I'd rather have summer!

23.10.2005 20:51, andr_mih

About the sawtail shot in the reserve on the Polosnya River: This is really
P. scyticus, according to M. E. Chernyakhovsky's definition from a dried male specimen from this reserve. Another
species, the parthenogenetic P. intermedius, is also found in the same biotope, and I have seen females of both species
in the collections of N. A. Sobolev.

Photos of male Scythian sawtail from my website (caelifera. narod) I did it in the vicinity of Galicia Mountain, and the females-in Teberda (and there are some doubts
about its definition - by the males sitting next to it: -)

25.10.2005 11:37, Helene

About the sawtail shot in the reserve on the Polosnya River: This is really
P. scyticus

Clear. So at least this species isn't a godsend. Can I tell you a little more about it? What kind of area, what kind of ecology, i.e. how interesting are the points near Moscow?
And whether there are other similar species (including real isophia), we will find out next year. The insect expert promised to come with me. That's what a good thing it is to communicate on the forum! I would never have known that wingless blacksmiths are interesting from the point of view of zoogeography, and they should be taken and accurately identified! beer.gif

25.10.2005 12:09, Насекомовед

2Helene
Yes, I promised. And those who do not fly (wingless blacksmiths, in particular), really, a good object for zoogeographic research.

25.10.2005 12:42, andr_mih

Well, I can't say much about the Scythian sawtail in detail.
The main thing is that its discovery in the Moscow Region was not previously recorded,
and this is probably the northernmost point of its distribution.
By the way, did you find Tettigonia viridissima in that biotope?

25.10.2005 14:44, Helene

Well, I can't say much about the Scythian sawtail in detail.
The main thing is that its discovery in the Moscow Region was not previously recorded,
and this is probably the northernmost point of its distribution.
By the way, did you find Tettigonia viridissima in that biotope?

So it's a godsend after all? I understood that Chernyakhovsky has copies from the Moscow Region. Well, if the find - then we will collect and publish, what else to do with the find? smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
About Tettigonia viridissima. Maybe I met him in the forest-steppe part of the Moscow Region (but not on the Strip, but in the Oka Valley in the Stupinsky district), or maybe not him... I did not collect it, because there was a sad experience with a browned and wrinkled wingless grasshopper (the most offensive thing is that, after looking closely, I was convinced that I had completely needlessly soaked an overgrown weep.gifconstrictus ). I thought that if I didn't know how to collect grasshoppers, then there was nothing to do. Now I know how to do it, so if I meet you, I'll also collect tettigonia smile.gif

25.10.2005 18:00, Насекомовед

P.I caught scythicus only in the Provalskaya steppe (Luhansk region). Ukraine), and in the vicinity of Pyatigorsk - in those places this species is in the mass. However, my search and study of the orthopteroid fauna in the Kursk Nature Reserve (Streletskaya Steppe) did not reveal this species, although there are other Phaneropterinae (Phaneroptera falcata, Leptophyes albovittata, Isophya rossica, I. brunneri, I. stepposa, Poecilimon intermedius).

25.10.2005 18:18, andr_mih

to Helene

A copy of something from the Ministry of Defense, but the information might not have been published.
And I just watched the female, and she was already registered as an "intermedius"
So publish your find, I think there is nothing terrible.

And tettigonium is better to listen in the Internet, then it will be easier to catch.
By the way, I have only found kaudata in the Oka Valley (left bank) so far

25.10.2005 19:38, PVOzerski

Hm... I wonder where the northern limit of caudata distribution is, then?

By the way, since we are talking about this species: tell me, has anyone noticed the variability in the severity of the famous dark spots on the back thighs at the bases of the spines? And then I still suffer: was it necessary to describe that Tienshan subspecies? There was even an impulse to officially reduce it back to synonyms, but the material in ZINA turned out to be extremely scarce. However, all but one of the animals identified as T. c. mistshenkoi came from Kyrgyzstan, and the only non-Kyrgyz one came from the mountains of Southern Kazakhstan. After that, I don't know what to think...

25.10.2005 20:05, Dracus

2 PVOzerski

Could you give us a link to your work? If not available online, then the full name is in print. I just haven't encountered it before... frown.gif

This post was edited by Dracus - 10/25/2005 20: 07

25.10.2005 20:43, PVOzerski

Ozersky, P. V., A new subspecies of the caudate grasshopper (Orthoptera: Tettigoniidae) from the inner Tien Shan (Kirghiz SSR), Vestn. Leningr. univ., biologicheskaya seriya, 1989, 3. pp. 117-119.

28.10.2005 19:50, andr_mih

I wonder how many subspecies T. cantans has?
Last year I drove past Nyandoma, where there are such cantans, almost one and a half times larger than the Moscow region ones. I immediately didn't even recognize it by singing, I thought - some kind of cicada or Gampsocleis: -) I didn't collect it, I didn't even take a photo. Now I'm sorry: what if it's a subspecies?

29.10.2005 10:37, PVOzerski

>I didn't even recognize him from his singing right off the bat
, but that's really suggestive. Write it down and compare it...
By the way, which Nyandoma is located in the Arkhangelsk region?

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 29.10.2005 19: 51

31.10.2005 14:30, andr_mih

Yes, a nanny home in Arkhangelsk. (isn't there only one such name?)
I also met Myrmeleotettix maculatus and
Podisma pedestris in those parts - I hope they are not rare there.

31.10.2005 14:56, PVOzerski

I don't know any other babysitter either. Just the conversation was going with a strong "Moscow" bias-this is what confused me: I thought that there is still such a locality closer to Moscowsmile.gif, and the Arkhangelsk straight-wings may have some relevance for me. Even this summer, we hoped to extend the territory covered on our website to the Arkhangelsk region. However, since the Russian Foundation for Basic Research will no longer support us, it seems that these plans will not be frown.gifimplemented ...

Regarding Myrmeleotettix maculatus and Podisma pedestris-both species are found near St. Petersburg, on the Karelian Isthmus. This is not Archangelsk, of course, but maybe someone will be interested.

07.11.2005 21:30, sealor

Here I look straight-winged birds in high esteem, so many discussions smile.gifAnd who is this? The stem cricket has already been successfully identified, and there is still one:
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07.11.2005 22:06, Dracus

Conocephalus discolor Thnb., probably. Where was it photographed?

07.11.2005 22:25, sealor

Definitely, definitely him! How do you do it! smile.gif And I shot it in the south of Ukraine, if you are interested in straight-winged birds, then here is everything that I took this season:
Orthoptera
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08.11.2005 13:40, Helene

Sealor, welcome back wink.gif beer.gif
And then completely lost, bored without our only Ukrainian smile.gif

08.11.2005 15:34, PVOzerski

2sealor:

http://vernum.mksat.net/ort/acrida1.jpg,
http://vernum.mksat.net/ort/acrida2.jpg,
http://vernum.mksat.net/ort/acrida3.jpg - - Calliptamus sp.

http://vernum.mksat.net/ort/acrida4.jpg - Oedaleus decorus (Germ.)
http://vernum.mksat.net/ort/acrida5.jpg - Acrida sp.
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08.11.2005 18:28, andr_mih

http://vernum.mksat.net/ort/acrida3.jpg - Entomophtora grylli
http://vernum.mksat.net/ort/tett1.jpg - D. verrucivorus

08.11.2005 18:52, PVOzerski

2andr_mih - don't confuse people. Entomophtora grylli is a fungus that kills prus smile.gif

About Decticus - if the green color is not an optical effect, but a real color-of course. verrucivorus. And so the morphology is poorly visible.

08.11.2005 19:53, sealor

Thank you all! I'll have to see what else I've taken out of the erect wings."smile.gif
Regarding Calliptamus, I found that acrida1 is similar to C. plebejus, is it?
About "D. verrucivorus", I enlarged the image, the color reproduction is normal, that is, the color is close to natural.
As for entomophthorasmile.gif, it may have been on him, but he didn't seem to have died from it, but from falling into the spider's trap net, which is not visible in the picture, it's at the bottom(like tegenaria)
Here is Acrida sp., it surprised, so this is such "stick insects" and there are acrids!!
And so I didn't disappear anywhere, I read regularly smile.gifJust in the topics that are now mostly discussed(erect wings), I don't understand at all, but hymenoptera:vespidae is "not popular"..

08.11.2005 19:56, Dracus

2 sealor
The photos are good. Or can you post a full-size one, like the photo of the cone head that hangs here?

08.11.2005 20:10, PVOzerski

As for Calliptamus - the real choice is only between italicus and barbarus-you need to look at the color of the inner side of the hind thighs. I googled about plebejus because I'd only recently heard about it. It appears to be endemic to the Canary Islands.

And Decticus albifrons doesn't have a green color. At least I didn't come across any.

For the dominance of orthopterolubov, we apologize - well, it happened like this... Although, in addition to us, there are also lepidopterologists and coleopterists here smile.gif

This post was edited by PVOzerski - 08.11.2005 20: 11

08.11.2005 20:11, sealor

Sorry of course, but thank you for reminding me about the large size of the snapshotsmile.gif The server has limited space for the site, so I can't upload full-size ones, but here large snapshots can make it difficult to load the page..

"About Calliptamus - the only real choice is between italicus and barbarus"
Well, I looked at Google, just searched by gender, but there were few links, no experience at all, and the first one is similar as a result smile.gif)
As for the color, I can see, they still skip in nature, and not rare, if it doesn't get colder, you can catch them.
The authorship of the decticus definition is not mine, so I can't say anything..
And about zasil - yes, nothing, I just envy smile.gifAnd in general it becomes interestingwink.gif

This post was edited by sealor-08.11.2005 20: 21

09.11.2005 18:14, Dracus

2 sealor
If between italicus and barbarus, then here are the signs of both:

1 the inner side of the hind thighs is pink or red, solid, with 2 transverse dark bandages that do not reach the lower side. - this is italicus

- the inner side of the hind legs either with a large black spot occupying 2/3 of the thigh (subv. cephalotes F.-W. et al.), or with 1-3 black bandages (subv. barbarus Costa), almost or completely reaching the lower side. "this is barbarus.

For bandages, you need to take the stripes exactly inside. the sides of the thighs, i.e. a sling on the hip when looking from above, if it does not continue further, it does not count as such.

I've given you all this so that you don't have to worry about finding qualifiers. wink.gif

This post was edited by Dracus-09.11.2005 18: 15

09.11.2005 19:29, sealor

Thanks! If I can still catch it, I'll try to determine it.
And I'll try to take pictures of a wider format later, on another site.

22.07.2006 12:04, Guest

Hello everyone I'm a newcomer from Kazan. I'm also interested in straight-winged birds. So I'm going in August to the south of the Far East, more precisely to the Amur region, more precisely to the Khingan Nature Reserve. Does anyone have anything to say about the erect-winged fauna of the Far East???

26.07.2008 21:01, Alex KNZ

Good afternoon! The other day I brought it from the Luhansk region (Ukraine) to the Moscow region (Volokolamsk. district) of two adult green grasshoppers, a male and female Tettigonia caudata (Caudate). It is located near its site in the tall grass, where Singing grasshoppers Tettigonia cantas meet. I have such a question. Will they take root? And what you need to do to create a population of them in this place. I understand that MO is not the best place for them, but if you have any nibs. ideas, please write to us.

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27.07.2008 6:08, Vlad Proklov

Good afternoon! The other day I brought it from the Luhansk region (Ukraine) to the Moscow region (Volokolamsk. district) of two adult green grasshoppers, a male and female Tettigonia caudata (Caudate). It is located near its site in the tall grass, where Singing grasshoppers Tettigonia cantas meet. I have such a question. Will they take root? And what you need to do to create a population of them in this place. I understand that MO is not the best place for them, but if you have any nibs. ideas, please write to us.

Yes caudata in MO is already common smile.gif
Like viridissima - they just get lost in the background of mass cantans.
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27.07.2008 15:28, Alex KNZ

Yes, they do get lost. No matter how much I searched , I never heard one. Nothing but cantanzes. Apparently they occur very unevenly.
I was actually going to bring Viridissima, but I just happened to catch Kaudata. In the city where I fished, they all sit on very tall trees (including pyramidal poplars) and the chances were low. Tell me if it's worth following. why import new caudates to strengthen the population, if these offspring survive?* And one more thing: how do cantans, caudates, and viridissimes relate to each other? Is there any information? danger when transporting two types of grasshoppers in one box (viridiss. & caudata)? And in general, how do they get along in nature? Predators, after all.

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