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guest: Скаут, 13.07.2007 13:23

Do mantises live in the Chita region?

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10.08.2007 18:02, fly-km

doubt

10.08.2007 18:04, fly-km

generally..there doesn't seem to be much known about the local entomofauna...like this..if you find any information, will you write to us?
recently almost from there..it would be of interest

11.08.2007 13:26, Dinusik

I have not yet heard about praying mantises in the Chita region, where the winter is cold for them. We have a lot of them now. Although they appeared here probably 6-8 years ago, perhaps with the continuation of climate warming, they will appear in the Chita region.

12.08.2007 10:06, vab

I can't say anything about the Chita region, but Mantis religiosa, for example, is actively expanding its range so it has penetrated to the north of Ukraine, to the Smolensk region, to Bashkiria. I am not familiar with the entomofauna of Siberia and the Far East, but I think mantises can enter there from China and Korea. It is reliably recorded that mantis oothecae can survive very low temperatures. We, in the Chernihiv region (Ukraine) this winter for three weeks , kept a record for Ukraine-35!And yet, I've already seen dozens of nymphs and imagos of common and flower mantises this summer!
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12.08.2007 14:56, sealor

Here probably not only temperature extremes are important, but also the duration of the cold season, in general, I think from -15 is no longer very important, how much, -15, -20 or -30, many heat-loving insects can withstand this for a short time, but long periods of C-T are now rare in our country, so a variety of heat-loving arthropods began to appear!
But because of the drought, the same mantises are not found, there are a lot of falls, and the amount of moisture also matters.

12.08.2007 15:37, vab

Yes, you are absolutely right! Drought and fires at one time almost led to the extinction of bolivarians and irises in Ukraine, although plowing the steppes still played a major role. However, it should be recognized that various insects appear more and more often in unexpected places. So I in Chernihiv this summer found very intact remains of a beetle very(!) like a lunar copra.

12.08.2007 16:07, sealor

And lunar copras, do they have an area up to where? We have plenty of them! I found Argyope lobata here, but there are no Ameles taurica and Iris oratoria, although they were found here, that's for sure!

12.08.2007 16:12, vab

I also wonder how far, according to Fabre, and "Animal Life" is clearly not up to Chernihiv. Maybe it is found here as part of some intrazonal grouping? Are you from some southern region?

12.08.2007 16:19, vab

Judging by what I found through the search engine, the northern border of the range is somewhere in the south-west of the Kiev region, in Chernihiv they were not there before. areas are marked everywhere with a contour or hatching. However, this is offtopic, we will not make the moderators angry.

12.08.2007 17:10, amara

Judging by what I found through the search engine, the northern border of the range is somewhere in the south-west of the Kiev region, in Chernihiv they were not there before. areas are marked everywhere with a contour or hatching. However, this is offtopic, we will not make the moderators angry.


I'm sorry, but I have to dissuade you. Bus (Copris lunaris) to the center (Zvenigorod) Moscow region (Nikitsky 1996). I fished in the very north of the Kaluga region.

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12.08.2007 23:13, Bad Den

And lunar copras, do they have an area up to where? We have plenty of them!

Met in Gorokhovetsky district of the Vladimir region
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12.08.2007 23:49, mikee

We met in the Gorokhovetsky district of the Vladimir region

Last year, the beetle was caught in the Ryazan region (Kasimovsky district). Arrived at the lamp.
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13.08.2007 12:44, fly-km

Yes, you are absolutely right! Drought and fires at one time almost led to the extinction of bolivarians and irises in Ukraine, although plowing the steppes still played a major role.

in my opinion, irises are generally unstable..? not like mantises...? or am I wrong...? confused.gif

13.08.2007 14:49, vab

What do you mean by "unstable" - do you mean that they are cenophiles?

14.08.2007 10:46, Guest

can you find wood plants in Odessa???? Or an empuz???

14.08.2007 11:19, fly-km

maybe...or do you have a lot of them there?

do they also feed on everyone?or are they picky?

14.08.2007 12:03, vab

Empuz? Of course, you can catch wild ones, but they are Red books, and it's not so easy to find them, I'll try to find out, maybe entomologists from the State Tax Service.University of Odessa and they are bred...

14.08.2007 12:55, sealor

There are a lot of tree mantises in the Crimea.

14.08.2007 13:22, vab

We, in northern Ukraine, have only manties, Amelesov saw a couple of times, and when I was in the south, I saw irises three times...

14.08.2007 14:15, fly-km

well here...to the south, they meet..but there are still fewer of them than there are mantiss...what about impusions? smile.gif such sweet things...I tried to contain them..something worked out, but with difficulty...

15.08.2007 1:11, Шастик

I think in Moldova it is easier to catch mantis( if they are not protected, of course), but you can ask my friends from Odessa, maybe they have something...

And how can I find them, like on the forum I did not see them.Thank you in advance...

15.08.2007 13:47, fly-km

Empuz? Of course, you can catch wild ones, but they are Red books, and it's not so easy to find them, I'll try to find out, maybe entomologists from the State Tax Service.University of Odessa and they are bred...

are they all red books?funny insects.....

15.08.2007 13:48, fly-km

There are a lot of tree mantises in the Crimea.

and where exactly, can you tell me?

16.08.2007 9:45, vab

In the Yalta National Park.Park-catch-nehochu! I didn't catch it because I didn't want to. And in general, all representatives of the NP group in Ukraine are listed in the red book( 5 species) of Bolivia in critical condition.
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16.08.2007 9:48, vab

And how can I find them, like on the forum I did not see them.Thank you in advance...

They're on another forum - they're aquarists. One associate professor of the OSU Department of Zoology... I'll find out - if they have any, I'll give you the coordinates. Are you only interested in praying mantises, or other arthropods too?

20.08.2007 21:17, Guest

Vitya, this is Stas! Can you also ask me about empusa or tree mantises? By the way, I have not seen any trees in the Red Book of Ukrainesmile.gif , empusa, Bolivaria, irises yes, but no more! Maybe I messed up something?smile.gif

21.08.2007 11:53, fly-km

it seems to be there...is it difficult to see it on the Internet?!

07.11.2007 20:57, Боря

...And yet, I've already seen dozens of nymphs and imagos of common and flower mantises this summer!


Can I tell you more about what kind of flower you have in mind? Latin name?

10.11.2007 22:21, okoem

In the Yalta National Park.Park-catch-nehochu! I didn't catch it because I didn't want to. And in general, all representatives of the NP group in Ukraine are listed in the red book( 5 species) of Bolivia in critical condition.

Why 5 types? There are 6 types in Ukraine!
And where exactly is Bolivia in critical condition? Where does this data come from? If you mean the Crimea, then as far as I know, no one in the Crimea is engaged in praying mantises. And from my observations I can say this:

Bolivaria - I've seen quite a lot of it in Tarkhankut this year. And also met in the south-eastern Crimea. Biotopes are still intact, why would it die out?!
Religious-common throughout the Crimea.
Ameles - common in the mountainous part of the Crimea.
Polystictics - this year it was seen en masse, much more often than winter.
Empusa is common at least in the southeastern Crimea and on the Kerch Peninsula.
Transcaucasus - I met several copies this year. I got the impression that this species is more common in the South Caucasus than in the steppe Crimea, where it is also found. Although perhaps the recent harsh winter is to blame, as one of the Crimean entomologists told me that before that winter, this species was observed in large numbers on the Kerch Peninsula.

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24.11.2007 19:11, Боря

What is the Latin name for a tree mantis?
Isn't that Hierodula tenuidentata?

24.11.2007 22:04, okoem

I don't know what a "tree mantis" is, but the Crimean ones are called like this:
Empusa fasciata
Mantis religiosa
Ameles heldreichi
Iris polystictica
Bolivaria brachyptera
Hierodula transcaucasica

25.11.2007 16:53, Guest

Hierodula transcaucasica-tree mantis, tell me, and empusa and ameles at what time of year are more common, I want this year to try to catch and get offspring from these species?

25.11.2007 18:05, okoem

Ameles begins dating somewhere in the middle of summer, in the form of nymphs. And adults appear around the middle of August and are found until October. The species is usually massive, catching is not a problem.
Empusa occurs all year round. From the end of July and then all autumn, and in the warm days of winter, and all spring, until May - nymphs. From mid - May to August-adults. But it is sedentary and difficult to notice. So you'll have to search and search and search... Although it happens that in one hour you can meet several individuals. In general, as luck would have it. At the end of July this year, I saw several nymphs sitting on dung cakes. I wonder what's going on here - waiting for the flies? In general, nymphs like to hang on various plants head down.

This post was edited by okoem - 25.11.2007 18: 07

25.11.2007 20:51, Tigran Oganesov

What is the Latin name for a tree mantis?
Isn't that Hierodula tenuidentata?

In general, the tree mantis from the Crimea and the Caucasus is called Hierodula transcaucasica, and from Central Asia - Hierodula tenuidentata. Separated them.
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26.11.2007 14:08, Guest

okoem. and where are these species more common: in the South Coast or in the eastern Crimea??? Is it possible to find them with the help of a net, i.e. to hold a net on the grass?smile.gif

26.11.2007 14:41, okoem

I've never met Ameles in the steppe at all. Although I didn't specifically search for it. And the South Coast is a very flexible concept.
I would advise you to look for both species in the south-eastern Crimea, from Sudak to Feodosia. Ameles is plentiful on all grassy and rocky slopes. And empusa most often came across in the vicinity of Fox Bay and Koktebel.
A nightmare to collect I think is real.

This post was edited by okoem - 26.11.2007 14: 43

02.03.2008 18:59, Hemaris

According to my calculations, there are at least 8 species of praying mantis in Ukraine.

Empusa fasciata
Mantis religiosa
Ameles heldreichi
Iris polystictica
Bolivaria brachyptera
Hierodula transcaucasica

+ Empusa pennicornis (http://www.redbook.iatp.org.ua/1994/k0371.htm)
+ View from the mountainous Crimea, which I could not identify (gray color, body shape resembles Mantis, but slightly smaller in size).

This post was edited by Hemaris - 02.03.2008 19: 00

05.03.2008 9:43, Baguk

I can't say anything about the Chita region, but Mantis religiosa, for example, is actively expanding its range so it has penetrated to the north of Ukraine, to the Smolensk region, to Bashkiria.

A whole invasion of southerners has been recorded in Tatarstan over the past 2-3 years: in 2006-two finds of Mantis religiosa (in different places, one-north of the Kama River), one find of Saga pedo, in 2004-the first meeting of Argiope bruennichi, which is now found everywhere...

05.03.2008 14:05, Victor Titov

Hmm, the steppe dybka is cool!

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