Apollo in Crimea and the Ukrainian Carpathians

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stierlyz, 21.09.2007 19:25

The presence of this large butterfly in the aforementioned regions is a very controversial and mysterious issue. Despite its large size and ease of diagnosis, the spread of Apollo in many regions of Ukraine has not been sufficiently studied. In the "Chervonaya Kniga" for the Carpathians, there are a number of old points and one new one. However, according to one local entomologist (I will avoid naming names as much as possible here, so as not to add fuel to a very violent fire), there is no apollo in the Ukrainian Carpathians and never was. In particular, according to him, all points in the works of Konstantin Hormuzaki are located on the territory of Romania. I looked, fortunately, it was convenient, in one of the works of Hormuzaki on butterflies for 1897-indeed, there Apollo is given only for the highlands of Bukovina, i.e. the territory of modern Romania. The author of the corresponding article in the "Chervonaya Kniga" honestly admitted to me that he had not seen any materials or reliable instructions for the Ukrainian Carpathians, but he was firmly convinced that Apollo was there: "They saw it, but they didn't catch it", "There are everywhere in neighboring regions".
Even more mysterious is the presence of Apollo in the Crimea. Let me remind you that in the monograph on mace-whiskered butterflies of the Crimea, all the finds and indications of Apollo (including the description of a new subspecies) are considered not trustworthy. Still, I have heard of "reliable" cases of the recent discovery of Apollo on Yayla, but without capture.
Given that many of those present here have repeatedly visited Crimea and the Carpathians, it would be interesting to know their opinion on this issue.

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21.09.2007 20:19, guest: rpanin

The presence of this large butterfly in the aforementioned regions is a very controversial and mysterious issue. Despite its large size and ease of diagnosis, the spread of Apollo in many regions of Ukraine has not been sufficiently studied. In the "Chervonaya Kniga" for the Carpathians, there are a number of old points and one new one. However, according to one local entomologist (I will avoid naming names as much as possible here, so as not to add fuel to a very violent fire), there is no apollo in the Ukrainian Carpathians and never was. In particular, according to him, all points in the works of Konstantin Hormuzaki are located on the territory of Romania. I looked, fortunately, it was convenient, in one of the works of Hormuzaki on butterflies for 1897-indeed, there Apollo is given only for the highlands of Bukovina, i.e. the territory of modern Romania. The author of the corresponding article in the "Chervonaya Kniga" honestly admitted to me that he had not seen any materials or reliable instructions for the Ukrainian Carpathians, but he was firmly convinced that Apollo was there: "They saw it, but they didn't catch it", "There are everywhere in neighboring regions".
Even more mysterious is the presence of Apollo in the Crimea. Let me remind you that in the monograph on mace-whiskered butterflies of the Crimea, all the finds and indications of Apollo (including the description of a new subspecies) are considered not trustworthy. Still, I have heard of "reliable" cases of the recent discovery of Apollo on Yayla, but without capture.
Given that many of those present here have repeatedly visited Crimea and the Carpathians, it would be interesting to know their opinion on this issue.

Personally, I haven't seen

it .But indeed, there were repeated reports that he had been seen in the village of Kvasy in the Rakhiv district. But no one really caught it.It is also described from historical times from the Dniester canyon. And the Carpathians on the territory of the modern Chernivtsi region. Novitsky caught him. Well, this is a story from 130 years ago.

21.09.2007 23:54, okoem

I think that Korshunov's report on how the myth of Apollo appeared in the Crimea deserves attention. -
http://babochki-kryma.narod.ru/files/lib/korshunov.htm

As for the Yankoi tract on Chatyrdag , I've never heard of it. There is a Yankoy gully on the western slope of the Dolgorukovskaya Yayla.
I have been in this gully and (dozens of times) on the northern slopes of Chatyrdag and repeatedly on almost all the yayls. I've never met Apollo. Given that modern reliable finds are not known, as well as my own experience, I think that there is no such thing in the Crimea.

"When I was on Ai-petri, I saw only thistles, paphias and some pigeons - icarus, thersites or spring, I don't remember. However, the second half of July is not the season. I didn't see Ochitka either, though I only wandered in the area of shops and tents... "

The second half of July is still quite a season for yayl, there are many other interesting things, and, in particular, the Black Sea satire. By the way, it flies not far from the ski lift. In general, everything in the shopping area is so trampled that what kind of butterflies are there... As for the other listed species, there should not be a spring pigeon there. And the "Paphii" are most likely not Paphii, but Aglai and Hecate, which are visible and invisible on yayla. But it is the Pathos there that I have never met.
A clean-up on all yayla full, nowhere to step; -)

25.09.2007 19:24, rpanin

Caught Novitsky? But why doesn't Hormuzaki, who published later and knew Novitsky's work, give this indication? Caught in Kvass? And why don't the Rakhov lepidopterologists know anything about it?

In the collection of the Lviv Museum of Natural History there are evidential specimens caught by the M Novitskys on the banks of the Cheremosh River. However, they are not exactly dated.
Over the past 40 years, only 2 specimens have been caught in Ukraine. In 1985 and 1989. Both are located in the Dniester Canyon.I don't remember trappers ' last names exactly .I need to look at the book. Sort of like Atamanyuk and someone else.
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