Interesting flies

Trupanea augur Frauenfeld (Tephritidae)

It is found both in the Russian south and in the south of Western Europe.

I've seen them in Israel. and the point is that it does not necessarily tear off, it can just tear a little, and it will still be possible to fly-butterflies sometimes fly with very frayed wings, although they have a slightly different flight mechanism.

Marikovsky once told us about a tephritid with ants on its wings. When the fly moves and flaps its wings, it seems that two ants are dragging their prey. Look here, I tried to summarize the material I know: http://vivovoco.astronet.ru/VV/JOURNAL/NAT...07/MUSARACH.HTM I am sure that you need to look at the behavior of this fly in its natural conditions. And many thanks for the new front sight

Marikowski told me about this fly)
Name: Aciura coryli
Photo: diptera.info



This post was edited by Sparrow-30.09.2007 17: 02

Unfortunately not me)

http://www.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=1669

everything that is there...

also another picture from the network:

http://www.insectariumvirtual.com/galeria/...?image_id=16309

As it seems to me (IMHO), in the case of Trupanea augur, we can talk, for example, about the disorientation of the predator: when the wings move, the "midges" on them run in different directions. And, as you know, "if you chase two hares, you won't catch a single one.".. you need to watch the fly's behavior in nature.

Some kind of crap: I can write new posts, but I can't edit old ones... So, I deleted my previous post with a question about authorship, but I couldn't restore it. My apologies.

also another picture from the network:
http://www.insectariumvirtual.com/galeria/...?image_id=16309

Unfortunately, this photo is less informative

Thank you all very much!

Since this Trupanea augur is also found in the south of Russia, it means that I have a chance to find it.
However, usually the opposite is true – when you search for something – you don't find it, but random encounters can be amazing.

Insect expert, thank you for the link.
I was very interested in" Ants".
I read your magazine from time to time, it's great.

Wrote a detailed story about Urophora cardui

Don't send long text.

Any glitches today on forum

Alex 2611, I hope we'll see your story next time.

Urophora cardui is one of my favorite flies.

I asked a question about the species belonging of these flies to Valery Korneev (Institute of Zoology, Kiev), a specialist in this group. It turned out the following.
The exact name of the mottled moth described by P. I. Marikovsky is Goniurellia tridens (incorrectly called, including here, "Trupanea augur").
Fly from the site" Around the world", caught in Spain-Tephritis maccus Hering.
The verdict is not subject to appeal: -)

Pirx, thank you! Special thanks to Valery from the author of "SUN";=)

Does Trupanea augur exist? What does it look like? Or is it an outdated name?
By the way, maybe Valery has observed Tephritis in nature and knows how it uses its " flies "(moves somehow "absurdly" on a flower, etc.)?

Pilot Pirx asked me about the Marikovsky fly, and I'd rather answer in the first person.

I think that the mimicry here is relative, if at all any. Variegated wings mostly hide under inflorescences - and here a radiant or comet pattern can mimic the hairs and tufts of the plant. For example, Terellia virens looks like the green bud of a cornflower, Noeeta pupillata-like the long-haired bud of a hawk-despite the fact that they usually sit with their muzzle down.

Species of the tribe Tephritini-and this includes the large genus Tephritis, Trupanea, and Goniurellia - use the wing pattern when recognizing "friend"-"alien".
"Myrmecomimia", of course, plays an important role in flies (among the Richardiidae and Ulidiidae in the Americas, there are surprisingly many anteaters), but in this case nothing has been proven.

"Marikovskomuravyoplyye" flies - as well as all mottledwings-go, as well as all tephritoids, showing frontally turned out wings, then drawing back alternately, then

So, from Central Asia through Israel to Kenya, species of the genus Goniurellia with this pattern are distributed. They are associated in Central Asia with large silos in the middle-mountain mesoxerophilic mixed grasses and possibly reach the Volga region. G. tridens Hendel is most widely distributed.

In the Western Mediterranean, there is no Goniurellia - but there - from Spain (and to Afghanistan and Southern Kyrgyzstan!!!) occasionally there is a VERY SIMILAR wing pattern Tephritis maccus Hering. From the Miocene of Italy (Monte Castellaro) I recently described a very similar species, Tephritis sophus Gentilini et Korneyev 2006. According to my observations, on the Alai ridge, this animal is related to the Scariola semi-shrub.

Aciura is also not so simple - there are two vicar species (subspecies???) - A. coryli Rossi-from Spain, apparently, to Sarepta (in the Crimea, Israel, and Turkey, among others), and A. afghana (Hering) - Iran-Afghanistan-Central Asia. They differ in the color of the bristles along the perimeter of the nape - the first one is all black, the second one is partially white. Both live on all sorts of lavender-catnip and other lipotsvetnykh.

Dear Kit Vasily, There is no doubt that the conclusion about the similarity of a particular drawing with something is our subjective one. But even what you're talking about, the reminder of cometary and radiant patterns of plant parts, is also quite interesting. However, as you know perfectly well, no one prevents some flies from copying the pattern of parts of plants, and others from copying their enemies (predatory spiders, for example). Quite another and main question, but is it really, in fact, or does it seem so to us (or wants to seem)? This is where we face the problem of lack of information. It would be very interesting to clarify this issue by devoting special work to it.

This post was edited by Insect Expert - 05.10.2007 12: 43

Dear Kit Vasily, There is no doubt that the conclusion about the similarity of a particular drawing with something is our subjective one. But even what you're talking about, the reminder of cometary and radiant patterns of plant parts, is also quite interesting. However, as you know perfectly well, no one prevents some flies from copying the pattern of parts of plants, and others from copying their enemies (predatory spiders, for example). Quite another and main question, but is it really, in fact, or does it seem so to us (or wants to seem)? This is where we face the problem of lack of information. It would be very interesting to clarify this issue by devoting special work to it.

I think that if we accept the mimicry hypothesis, we should determine the range of predators and parasites. I think that vertebrates have nothing to do with it, the birds "don't care" that "ants on the wings" are dragging something there. Calculation, possibly, on parasitic hymenoptera. If you consider them idiots. Or on large predatory arthropods. But here we are again beginning to be covered with the stains of anthropocentrism. But the case of the "Marikovsky fly" is unique, plus close genera and species clearly do not show an " ant " pattern, so the signaling hypothesis seems more plausible (for example, incl. females). Moreover, phytophages (as well as predators) often develop territorial behavior precisely on the basis of limited food resources (here-inflorescences of compound flowers), unlike many saprophages.

The alarm system, of course, can not be rejected. But (here I will allow myself to fantasize) who bothers to interpret "ants dragging prey" as a signal for all other arthropods: "prey is caught and already occupied." Will there be competitors in those conditions (I absolutely do not know) to take away (kill) their prey from two ants? Spiders and others also probably won't take that step.

Well, what are your thoughts on urophora and other American species with a spider-like pattern on their wings? Foreign researchers clearly write that imitation of salticide spiders. Yes, I believed it myself when I was deceived

The alarm system, of course, can not be rejected. But (here I will allow myself to fantasize) who bothers to interpret "ants dragging prey" as a signal for all other arthropods: "prey is caught and already occupied." Will there be competitors in those conditions (I absolutely do not know) to take away (kill) their prey from two ants? Spiders and others also probably won't take that step.

Well, what are your thoughts on urophora and other American species with a spider-like pattern on their wings? Foreign researchers clearly write that imitation of salticide spiders. Yes, I believed it myself when I was deceived

On the first objection-the mentioned predators do not look at the mottledwing from above, as we do, they live with it "in the same plane". And, of course, everything should be checked experimentally. From my point of view, if the hypothesis is correct, the target of mimicry is not ants, but spiders." In connection with tim, the question is - how did foreign researchers check this in relation to the" spider " on the wings? Or did you not check it after all?

I didn't find any photos of Tephritis maccus online. The dipter was also not confirmed.

Generally funny.... as many experts as there are so many opinions.

Actually in the lists that is all three by heart... Then a counter-question.. what kind of fly does the name used by Marikovsky refer to?

This post was edited by Sparrow - 07.10.2007 12: 51

And the photo from the Dipter is also not commented out... is Trupanea the same or not?..

Sparrow, I'm also a little confused about the names. Interestingly, in the Rusfoto photo bank, there are pictures of a fly with" flies " on its wings under the name Trupanea.

Not quite in the subject (because not flies), but still-just looking for something on cicadas and came across a picture of the cicada-flatidae (in English - plant hopper) Aguriahana stellulata also with something like "ants" on the wings. Pretty - http://www.ne.jp/asahi/rhyncha/index/image4/0318.jpg

I think Joy Adamson's book mentioned that some flatids form colonies that pretend to be pink inflorescences. I would like to see it, but I didn't find any photos like this.

Thanks to the respected Pirx, it turned out that this is the same fly with ants on its wings (from Kazakhstan) that Marikovsky wrote about:
"Once I met an insect that adopted an even more original way of imitation. ...In the foothills of the Trans-Ili Alatau, the grass has not yet burned out, there are many insects. Here is a fly sitting on a blue flower. But it must have already escaped somewhere, because there is no such thing on the flower, and only two ants are dragging their prey and, as happens with them,they can not do without mutual claims. Now one of the ants overcame the other and rushed with the burden in his direction, but the defeated gathered up his strength and dragged the prey in the opposite direction. A temporary setback does not discourage the opponent - he rested, delayed movement. Finally, unable to overcome each other, the ants began to pull and pull the prey, dragging it in different directions. What kind of prey can you quarrel over for so long?
As soon as my tweezers touch the brawlers, the ants instantly disappear, disappear somewhere up and to the side, and the blue flower is empty. Maybe I was just imagining things. And are they ants? Startled by the idea that some insect was mimicking the bullies ' fight, I begin to carefully examine the matching blue flowers.
Here on one flower, the ants are again dragging prey and are very similar to those seen before. You need to quickly pull out a large magnifying glass from your backpack: you can look at it from a distance without scaring insects.
My guess was correct! Immediately everything became clear: a small fly was crawling on the flower, twitching and twitching from side to side, and on its glass-transparent wings it was as if one black ant was drawn. The drawing seemed very plausible and, complemented by unusual movements, enhanced the impression."

So that's where she belongs. By the way, I also met her in the Southern Urals. At night, she flew to the light.

This post was edited by PG18-08.06.2008 20: 11

Pictures:

Goniurellia_tridens_05_01_Kokusim_0093.jpg — (136.72к)

"I'm in shock!"!! - This is a complete......!!! - If I had seen "It" myself, never having heard about it, and even in the heat below 40, if I were a pregnant entomologist , I would have had a miscarriage!!! Not... - This is cooler than the blue rhino, in which , by the way, no one believes me... (I didn't find any suitable emoticons).

This is a Crimean fly,if you look closely, you can see the head Feeds on cocoons of spiders, it seems tarantulas.it rarely flies and leads a hidden lifestyle.

Cool fly isn't it
photo by Boris Loboda, material of the Kharkiv Entomological Society.

A very interesting fly indeed!
Interestingly, the wing structure is strange, similar to sawflies.

This is a Crimean fly,if you look closely, you can see the head Feeds on cocoons of spiders, it seems tarantulas.it rarely flies and leads a hidden lifestyle.

Cool fly isn't it
photo by Boris Loboda, material of the Kharkiv Entomological Society.

The fly is just super.
As far as I understand, this is a fly from the genus Pterodontia (family, naturally, Acroceridae). Probably Pterodontia waxelii Klug

This post was edited by alex 2611-25.12.2008 15: 07

I bring to your attention flies.
Ukraine:
1-4)Kharkiv region,
5, 6) A. R. Krym.


Do you want to see more photos of B. Loboda on his website?
See http://barry.fotopage.ru/gallery/

This post was edited by Liparus - 12/29/2008 15: 00

3rd ientere, and I caught
the last one myself in Gurzuf, in August (cool rasp!)

3rd ientere, and I caught
the last one myself in Gurzuf, in August (cool rasp!)

And I caught my last one in a place called Kanakskaya balka (between Sudak and Alushta... In July.
And a week caught, and caught on the last day...I've seen it 7 times:then quickly flew prch,then 2 meters too snails, then poured out of the net.
And finally caught, and two flies were sitting on the roots of a withered oak, so it turned out...probably one was trickier

And I caught the last one in Sevastopol, in August 2006. She was sitting on the trunk of a dying poplar tree. Apparently rushing them on dry trees to stick out .

I bring to your attention flies.
Ukraine:
1-4)Kharkiv region,
5, 6) A. R. Krym.

Photos of B. Loboda

Ahhh!!! I want these!!!

And I caught the last one in Sevastopol, in August 2006. She was sitting on the trunk of a dying poplar tree. Apparently rushing them on dry trees to stick out .

I also thought so,And they flew away like dragonflies(probably there were two males who competed for a place) and again sat on the trunk.
And twice I sat on the reeds.

I actually saw it for the first time and thought it was a bumblebee-type bee)

Both lvinki and in the Moscow region is.

Both lvinki and the Moscow region are there.

Well, okay Stratiomys chamaeleon, we also have it in the north, but I've never met a second lion. And judging by the pictures, a very cute fly

Well, okay Stratiomys chamaeleon, we also have it in the north, but I've never met a second lion. And judging by the pictures, a very cute fly

Yes, the second one is very cute, I caught it in Zvenigorod.

I see you liked the flies ,I spread my own, the quality is not very good.