Number of nymphalids

I can add that until 2003, mourning grounds were full on the outskirts of Moscow, especially in the early spring. In the same year, I saw a total of four times in the Ministry of Defense, in the Sergiev-Pasadsky, Orekhovo-Zuevsky and Lukhovitsky districts. But in mid-August, in the Tver region, near the border with Vologda, they flew in droves. But polychrome last 6 years have not seen in the MO at all...

Polychrome caught in Balashikha, this year in early August, and in July in Serpukhov (Luzhki)

But the last mourner caught in 2003.... in 2005 on the outskirts of the forest observed another..But I didn't have the net with me..

Polychrome caught in Balashikha, this year in early August, and in July in Serpukhov (Luzhki)

Nymphalis xanthomelas или N. polychloros?

According to my observations, polychrome simply lead a more secretive lifestyle compared to mourning, for example. In the early spring, after wintering, they laid eggs and went to another world, and the second generation has a very short period of active summer before hiding "in the cracks" for wintering. So they don't come across very often.

In the Crimea, I can say that polychloroses (polychloros) are essentially early spring butterflies. They fly out from the end of February (or even from January?) and they fly somewhere until the middle or end of April. During this period (spring) they are very common. But you can not see them very often in the summer, mostly during the day on moist soil or in the late afternoon, sitting on the lower branches of trees or shrubs.

And I noticed that in the last 3-4 years, xanthamelas has been found many times more often than polychloroses, although it is included in the regional CC. Xanthomelas is found in large numbers every year in the city center on flowering lime trees. I caught it myself at lunchtime, because the lime park is close to work. 5-7 instances are always visible.

This post was edited by El Cazador - 11/06/2009 20: 38

I am not a "butterfly man", so I would like to clarify: what kind of polychrome are we talking about-Nymphalis xanthomelas or N. polychloros? According to my observations, polychrome simply lead a more secretive lifestyle compared to mourning, for example. In the early spring, after wintering, they laid eggs and went to another world, and the second generation has a very short period of active summer before hiding "in the cracks" for wintering. So they don't come across very often. And for an inexperienced observer, they are generally not very catchy and recognizable.

It is polychrome that has disappeared, and instead it is entirely xanthomelas, although before everything was the other way around.

More documentary evidence.

05 April 2008, Yaroslavl region, Rostov region.
  



June 17, 2008, Gelendzhik, Krasnodar Region.
  

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It was polychrome that disappeared, and instead it was entirely xanthomelas, although before everything was the other way around.

A few years ago, there was an outbreak of polychloros in the same Balashikha. 5-7 butterflies were collected on tree trunks. I've only seen this for one year..then they became less frequent..

A few years ago, there was an outbreak of polychloros in the same Balashikha. 5-7 butterflies were collected on tree trunks. I've only seen this for one year..then they became less frequent..

Yes, it is easiest to meet it in the spring on a flowering willow or on birch sap (as well as a mourner). And N. xanthomelas really began to occur more often in our region and much later than N. polychloros.
Here I will allow myself one more proof.
Taken: 06.07.2005 Here: M. O. Balashikha district, Zheleznodorozhny town (outskirts).

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 17.12.2009 14: 34

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Drive me crazy!!!!!!!!
We need to write a project, win a grant-and go ahead for the robot, raise the number of our Soviet species, and not buy something somewhere from the tropics............
Many species require protection,but even more require multiplication.
Honestly speaking, I'm still looking for breeders of domestic butterfly species,and so far without success, only tropics, crocodiles, mad.cockroaches,bald cats, etc., and where is Our Russian at least a little(sorry, just a Patriot, I can't help it)
Good luck and Success to all.
With Uv. Kovalenko D.

Many species require protection,but even more require multiplication.
Honestly speaking, I'm still looking for breeders of domestic butterfly species,and so far without success,...... and where is Our Russian at least a little

Biotopes, not species, require protection.
Why breed "our Russian"? IMHO, it itself is not bad at breeding, if the biotopes were intact.

You'll drive me crazy!!!!!!!!!
............
Generally speaking, I'm still looking for breeders of domestic butterfly species.

On an "industrial" scale (so to speak), this is too unprofitable. No one (well, almost no one) will buy them. A "for the soul"... For the soul-almost every entomologist is a permanent breeder of "our". Every season in the house jars-bottles, and there - all sorts of evil spirits And all with one, no, with two goals:
1). in the hope of seeing-and whose caterpillar is it?
2). Will it die or not?

Colleagues, by any chance, does anyone have data on the abundance of the Nymphalis vau-album butterfly?Has anyone encountered this species in the past three years in Moscow or neighboring regions?This species has become very rare.We need any information.

Colleagues, by any chance, does anyone have data on the abundance of the Nymphalis vau-album butterfly?Has anyone encountered this species in the past three years in Moscow or neighboring regions?This species has become very rare.We need any information.

I met him once this summer at my place. But actually, in my opinion, it is really too rare for us (in the Moscow region)?

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 12/17/2009 13: 49

In our Ivanovo region, this species should theoretically occur. At least in the list of diurnal lepidoptera of the Ivanovo region,this species is listed,and even data on two reliable finds are given (although they were made quite a long time ago - in the 80s of the last century).
I saw a butterfly similar to Nymphalis vau-album only once in the Ivanovo region.True, it was not possible to catch it then,and it was also not possible to examine it carefully, so it is impossible to say that it was Nymphalis vau-album.However, the overall feeling of that butterfly was very similar to her.
I have long noticed that it has become rare not only in the Ivanovo and Moscow regions, but also practically throughout the entire territory of the European part of Russia.The reasons for this rarity are not known to me.It seems that the anthropogenic factor does not put any more pressure on this species than on other species of the genus Nymphalis,and there are plenty of caterpillar food plants.But polychloros,xanthomelas, and antiopa species are relatively common,and wau-album is very rare everywhere.Why?Unclear.Maybe someone knows something about this?

Wave of life?Quite possibly.

However, this "unlucky" wave for this type turns out to be very long.In polychloros, xanthomelas, and antiopa, it was much shorter.

In general, does anyone from the participants of this forum remember at all those times when wau-album was an ordinary butterfly ?And more:is there a part of the N. wau-album range today where this butterfly is at least relatively common?I would very much like to know what opinions there are on this issue?

Wave of life?Quite possibly.

However, this "unlucky" wave for this type turns out to be very long.In polychloros, xanthomelas, and antiopa, it was much shorter.

In general, does anyone from the participants of this forum remember at all those times when wau-album was an ordinary butterfly ?And more:is there a part of the N. wau-album range today where this butterfly is at least relatively common?I would very much like to know what opinions there are on this issue?

In Primorye, it is quite common and regular over the years.

In Zap. Siberia is very common in places.

So,it turns out that beyond the Urals, wau-album is a common sight,but in the European part-a rarity.

And in the European part of Russia, did anyone come across places where wau-album was ever often found?

This post was edited by TEMPUS - 12/19/2009 17: 49

So,it turns out that beyond the Urals, wau-album is a common sight,but in the European part-a rarity.

And in the European part of Russia, did anyone come across places where wau-album was ever often found?

During 40 years of irregular observations in the Moscow and adjacent regions, I have encountered only a few specimens. At the same time, on Lake Baikal in Listvyanka (in 2001), the butterfly was found in dozens, much more often than the rest.

And in the European part of Russia, did anyone come across places where wau-album was ever often found?

If vau is album, then yes.

If vau is an album, then yes.

choi-something hefty briefly! And places, dates..., passwords, turnouts?

Near Barnaul this is a very common vid

C vau-album basically everything is clear.

I asked this question because this species is included in the list of diurnal lepidoptera of the Ivanovo region,but its presence there is very doubtful.There are doubts that this species was included in the list of lepidoptera only on the basis of two finds, both of which were made very long ago-one in the seventies, the other in the eighties.No more recent data is available.Who knows, maybe this species does not occur at all on the territory of the Ivanovo region for geographical reasons (in the sense that it is too cold for it here), and two reliably collected specimens on the territory of the Ivanovo region are nothing more than the result of an accidental flight from more southern areas of habitat.Or maybe it's just a very rare and secretive species,but ours,not stray.I would really like to finally understand the status of this species-so is it lost or stray?

By the way, a question for those who have ever caught this species:in what biotopes does this species live?I've never caught or seen this species,so I don't know.I can only assume that this species occurs in the same biotopes as the rodstrate species:N. xanthomelas, N. polychloros, and N. antiopa,but I'm not sure about that at all.

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You were also told that in Siberia and the Altai butterfly is common!!
Why is it cold in Ivanovo???? In the north of the Nizhny Novgorod region, it definitely exists - and does not freeze!!! You need to search

It occurs here in the Yaroslavl region, although it is very local... This year I met her, but we parted amicably... Well I'm not a babbler

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You were also told that in Siberia and the Altai butterfly is common!!
Why is it cold in Ivanovo???? In the north of the Nizhny Novgorod region, it definitely exists - and does not freeze!!! You need to search

Well, if so, then I'll look for it.

Well, if so, then I'll look for it.

The easiest way to find it is on damaged trees with fermented sap leaking out. The whole company of local nymphalids usually gathers there. Or put baits with a similar smell. According to my observations, fruit trees smell best, I especially liked the apple tree damaged by Cossus: it flowed for a long time (2 years) and abundantly

Well, if so, then I'll look for it.

Yes, there is one in Ivanovskaya... caught in the array between Myt and Pestyaki year so in 95 ... Lies somewhere, vitally pokotsannaya dragonflies..
You are heading towards the Lower lovite

The easiest way to find it is on damaged trees with fermented sap leaking out. The whole company of local nymphalids usually gathers there. Or put baits with a similar smell. According to my observations, fruit trees smell best, I especially liked the apple tree damaged by Cossus: it flowed for a long time (2 years) and abundantly

I know about the possibility of using trees damaged by Cossus as bait. I had a similar situation with an oak tree.It flowed long and plentifully,and many different nymphalids flew to it (and not only nymphalids-catocals flew at night).True, I did not manage to catch it properly then, since it was quite a long time ago, and to the dacha (where this oak tree was located) I could only come here on weekends,and then not for every weekend-I didn't have enough time.Now, of course, I really regret the missed opportunities, especially since I can't find another such tree.I also tried to make baits,but the result was always zero.Apparently, baker's yeast, which can only be found in the free market, is not suitable,and there is no place to get wine or beer yeast yet,and when using bakery yeast, it is not possible to achieve the desired degree of fermentation,and therefore the desired smell.

By the way, maybe someone knows how the situation with N. xanthomelas is in the Ivanovo region?In most localities, this species is found together with N. polychloros,but polychloros is included in the list of diurnal lepidoptera of the Ivanovo region, while xanthomelas is not.What should I do?

I have a butterfly in my collection that matches the characteristics of xanthomelas,but the characteristics of these two species are variable and you can only tell exactly who I have-xanthomelas or polychloros by preparing the genitals.

I just wish I had a camera. Otherwise, I would have hung up the picture.

This post was edited by TEMPUS - 12/22/2009 15: 50

  
I have a butterfly in my collection that matches the characteristics of xanthomelas,but the characteristics of these two species are variable and you can only tell exactly who I have-xanthomelas or polychloros by preparing the genitals.

Species differ well in appearance, if the butterflies are in a collection, turn over and see the color of the legs. In polychloros, they are dark, the same shade as the underside of the wing, and in xanthomelas they are much lighter.
On the upper side of the wings, pay attention to the border
of red and black on the hind wings, if there are yellow
"triangles" of polychloros, there are no xanthomelas. go to any site and compare these attributes.

By the way, maybe someone knows how the situation with N. xanthomelas is in the Ivanovo region?

I don't know if it's in Ivanovo, but it's definitely in Moscow. I wrote about this earlier(URL#89 on the previous page). And quite often it occurs in our country. And it is relatively easy to distinguish visually (N. xanthomelas and N. polychloros), the former has a white forewing spot at the apex, and the latter has an almost yellow one.

This post was edited by vasiliy-feoktistov - 22.12.2009 16: 16

Species differ well in appearance, if the butterflies are in a collection, turn over and see the color of the legs. In polychloros, they are dark, the same shade as the underside of the wing, and in xanthomelas they are much lighter.
On the upper side of the wings, pay attention to the border
of red and black on the hind wings, if there are yellow
"triangles" of polychloros, there are no xanthomelas. go to any site and compare these attributes.

I have butterflies in my collection.According to the signs that you wrote to me about, it turns out xanthomelas.The question is removed.

Thank you so much for your answers.

This post was edited by TEMPUS - 12/22/2009 16: 24

I also tried to make baits,but the result was always zero.Apparently, baker's yeast,which is the only thing that can be found on the market, is not suitable...

They fit. Raw ones.

Here somehow in this topic there was a question about the occurrence in M. O. Burdock (Vanessa cardui)?
In short: today I went to the forest very close to home and observed it completely in wild numbers (5ex. on 1 Polygonia c-album approximately)"I've never seen anything like it here!" What's it? A pack that just migrated to us? Although the butterfly is always with us, but I was surprised.
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Thistle anglosperms appear every year in early June. I was in the south of MO this weekend, too, saw them in a decent number.

Thistle anglosperms appear every year in early June. I was in the south of MO this weekend, too, saw them in a decent number.

Yes, we always have a lot of them (separately) But here on one point (50x50m approx.) everything is strewn with them. Here it is surprising.

In the Ivanovo region,in the last two years (2009 and 2010), burdocks also met (and still meet) often, in some places even en masse.And in 2008, it wasn't at all.What caused such a sharp increase in population is not clear.