Number of nymphalids

Ya. Twice a week.

Has anyone met vanessa cardui this year in Moscow or the surrounding regions?

Repeatedly in the first half of summer. Both in the Moscow and Ryazan regions. Yes, to hell with it with burdock, here the mourning woman becomes extremely rare...

Has anyone met vanessa cardui this year in Moscow or the surrounding regions?

I don't know about Moscow, we have a massive dirty look. And this year there was not a single one (!), although in the past they were sitting in droves on thorns. Definitely a strange summer. Yes that there cardui, belyanok times in 10 less than usual.

Repeatedly in the first half of summer. Both in the Moscow and Ryazan regions. Yes, to hell with it with burdock, here the mourning woman becomes extremely rare...

What does it mean to be extremely rare? Here in the spring, with good weather - how many pieces per day met?

At us in Zaporozhye too all last years it was that shit (I apologize) flew everywhere and in the city and out of the city, especially in the area of landfills... But this year I met only one in the spring, and even then most likely from the winter somewhere wormed... With belyanki somehow less did not become Paradox

Yes, to hell with it with burdock, here the mourning woman becomes extremely rare...

Really? I don't follow butterflies on purpose, but this year I went for a walk in the spring with a friend and showed bright daytime mourning butterflies.I met a lot of them right on the territory of St. Petersburg.

What does it mean to be extremely rare? Here in the spring, with good weather - how many pieces per day met?

During the whole spring of this year, I met 1 (one) copy. But I only went out in nature on weekends. I haven't seen any more this year, even though it's the season for them. Like that.

Yes, to hell with it with burdock, here the mourning woman becomes extremely rare...

This year I saw both caterpillars and imagos. Of course, the mourner is not a peacock's eye (by occurrence in nature). But to call it extremely rare would be an exaggeration.

We also don't have many thistles this year, so far I haven't met any, although I looked for them in places where they were in large numbers that summer. 3. I saw quite a lot of swallowtails, by the way, podaliriyas also began to come across less often, at least in those places where I met them regularly last summer.

Dmitrich, or maybe it's just us who are lucky with mourning girls? I really hear from many people from the "northern" part of the Central Federal District that the mourning day appears less and less often.

In the Crimea, this season, burdock is also almost invisible.

Repeatedly in the first half of summer. Both in the Moscow and Ryazan regions. Yes, to hell with it with burdock, here the mourning woman becomes extremely rare...

We now have more mourning days than ever before in the 25 years of my observations. Just creepy! In the forest for a couple of hours I saw several hundred! They'd get into the car when you left the door open...
And here is an example of the usual accumulation of nymphalids on the excrement of a wild, flat-headed animal:

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Dmitrich, or maybe it's just us who are lucky with mourning girls? I really hear from many people from the "northern" part of the Central Federal District that the mourning day appears less and less often.

I admit it. But I speak for our territory .

All the mourners flew to Yekaterinburg. This is probably for the war.

In the Crimea, this season, burdock is also almost invisible.

I saw several of them in June in the South-eastern Crimea. But in the Kharkiv region this season is still zero.

Last year, it was quite the opposite (see photo).

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In the south of the Donetsk region, Ukraine: 4 meetings from the third decade of April to the middle of May-from three points (all broken) and one burdock at the end of July, I also knew life firsthand.

Explain to me, stupid, why this topic is needed ? I can not understand-the butterfly is banal, besides migrating; whether it is in the region or not, in my opinion, is absolutely not interesting from any point of view. If it weren't for the photos, it would have been quite a disaster....
Sorry if anything is wrong.

Sincerely, cajarc

Explain to me, stupid, why this topic is needed ? I can not understand-the butterfly is banal, besides migrating; whether it is in the region or not, in my opinion, is absolutely not interesting from any point of view.

It's a matter of taste.

For example, I wonder why last year it was like this, and this year it was like this. In general terms, the reasons are, of course, clear (compare the weather conditions...). But it is interesting to compare what is happening in our country (Kharkiv region of Ukraine) with what is happening in other places...

But I was still interested... Indeed, this year some fluctuations in the species composition are too obvious... For the weather, I am inclined to disagree, we have in Zaporozhye such years (according to the weather) were 2001 and 2004, but they did not clearly affect the species diversity of butterflies... In addition to burdock, this year I have not met before the usual variegated mottledwort, peacock's eye, jaeger, vixen and some other satyrs. Noticeably less visible perelivnits, dawns, some pigeons, podaliriya... At the same time, there was a surge in the number of swallowtail, hawthorn, mottled (meadowsweet and sappho), mother-of-pearl and cow's-eye pandora...

In general, the year is still very special...

since not only meetings with burdock are already discussed here, I suggest renaming the topic, for example, to "Fluctuations in the world of butterflies"

About thistles: May and June were colder than usual, so, apparently, not enough of them came to us, and there were no offspring, respectively. Last year, a lot of thistles were observed in May (no doubt, all arrived from the south).

I note that everything goes "as always" with the admirals, although they do not overwinter here either.

In general, the year is still very special...

Everything is going with some delay, again due to the cold start of summer. However, at the end of the season, everything returns to the "right" track.

Special fluctuations of the species composition (except for the case of burdock) I didn't notice (minor ones should probably be attributed to "experimental error". Maybe there are a little fewer butterflies overall...

Explain to me, stupid, why this topic is needed ? I can not understand-the butterfly is banal, besides migrating; whether it is in the region or not, in my opinion, is absolutely not interesting from any point of view. If it weren't for the photos, it would have been quite a disaster....
Sorry if anything is wrong.

Sincerely, cajarc

This topic is needed because I want to know how common this butterfly is in the Moscow Region this year, since I haven't seen one myself this year. If someone doesn't like the topic, you can:
1. Don't answer it
2. Ban me as the creator of the topic so that I don't ask stupid questions.


I didn't see any mourning girls either. Apparently the year is such a leap year and rastorashilo butterflies are not childish.

About thistles: May and June were colder than usual, so, apparently, not enough of them came to us, and there were no offspring, respectively.

We had them in April and May, and I saw the caterpillars. However, they disappeared. See, this is a general trend this year, maybe the rider gave some flash...

About thistles: May and June were colder than usual, so, apparently, not enough of them came to us, and there were no offspring, respectively.

I would not say that we (Zaporozhye) May and June were colder than usual... the temperature has already passed 20 since the second half of April... I would say that the beginning of last summer was cooler and wetter... and there was a sea of burdock... in addition, it winters quite normally in the city, and the winter was not particularly cold

2. Ban me as the creator of the topic so that I don't ask stupid questions.

Don't play with fire Such passages lead to the same

Don't play with fire Such passages lead to the same thing

who's he talking about ?

by the way, Dmitrich, it's not good to agree .

Who are you implying?

In the Ministry of Defense this year, there were practically no burdocks, but admirals wagon, and also met a mourner at the dacha (for the second time in a year, and in 2007 it was not at all)

the admirals are really in the juice. I haven't met mourning girls yet, maybe I'll get lucky...

I saw a couple of thistles in the spring, they really became much smaller, but in general, it is not necessary for a year to a year - this is not enough, and in a couple of years there may be a car. With mourning women, however, there really is a periodic change in their number. It seems that their number varies along a sinusoid. 10 years ago there was a peak, then less and less, last year it was quite a disaster, they probably reached a minimum, because this year they appeared again, but so far not much, most of all on the Uglich Road.

I haven't seen any thistles in our country this year either. There are admirals. So it's a general anomaly, either related to weather conditions or something else. After the drought of last year, the nature reflected in southern Europe is clearly resting this year. I usually watch Sophora Japonica, so there are practically no flowers on it this year (although this is not my topic).
2 cajarc
It's not a banal matter, it's just interesting to draw some conclusions while observing nature. For example, what kind of winter will it be (how much the bees are stuck in the hive) , etc. And if we, people who often go out in nature, still do not observe it, then what will it do?

- Burrs and we have on the CMS this year, too, just surprisingly negligible! Those I've met in a year can be counted on your fingers! This is just as wonderful as when they hung in clusters on a flowering lime tree for several years! With the admirals, everything is as usual-there were clean ones at the end of August and they fly to the cherry plum fall for several pieces. But I have never seen a mourner alive here; - because it just doesn't live here.

Apparently I have such a region.... A mourner caught in a couple of years is a great success. For all the time fees 4-5 ekz took.... Photo where they gang attacked "Kaku" killed outright!!!! Thistles are standard 3-8 copies per season, as in this one. We don't have admirals at all, and Vanessa indica is terribly rare (I caught only 2 butterflies during the entire training camp).

We now have more mourning days than ever before in the 25 years of my observations. Just creepy! In the forest for a couple of hours I saw several hundred! They'd get into the car when you left the door open...
And here is an example of the usual accumulation of nymphalids on the excrement of a wild, flat-headed animal:

We have the same thing in the Chelyabinsk region, I suffered from pulling them out of the radiator grille...

All this anomaly gentlemen comrades seems to me to smell fried. It can not be that the butterfly holarct, which leaves its offspring from the coast of southern Europe to the northern borders of Russia (correct if anything), disappeared throughout its entire distribution range. Let's start like this, the butterfly flies from the coast of Africa and reaches the coast of southern Europe in early spring, leaves offspring and flies further (I don't remember how many generations it gives, but clearly not two) The butterfly's journey continues until it inhabits Europe, then you and I who in early autumn who later observe the pattern of fattening admirals and burdocks in the gardens
preparing to fly to Africa (I read it a long time ago, so maybe I missed something from the details). There are two outputs:
1. Butterflies did not reach the coast of Europe in the spring of 2008 (something happened to them in Africa)
2. Something happened to them in Europe, since no one left the offspring to fly back.

The first option is more suitable, since if I remember correctly, everyone who unsubscribed here indicates that the butterfly was not visible throughout the year. It remains to get a grant for research on anomalies in Africa, and all this is already becoming interesting. At least it definitely smacks of an article in a small publication, after all, the scale.

Sorry at the very beginning of the topic, somehow not pomotrel. People met. Then things got even more interesting, something happened to her in Europe.

So immediately a terrible anomaly... I think it was just a bad year for this species, and perhaps the negative conditions coincided with natural population waves,which gave us this effect. It seems to me that the weather had the most negative impact - it was cold and wet. But all this will pass, I think in a few years the number will recover.

Come on, what's the anomaly? A very common phenomenon is population depression. In the Crimea, the weather was normal, and burdock this season occurs from the end of March until now. However, it is isolated. And why-maybe some parasitoids have multiplied.
By the way, in addition to burdock in the Crimea this year, no Carcharodus alceae, Agrodiaetus ripartii, Hyponephele lycaon, Pararge aegeria, very little Erynnis tages are seen. For that, some other species have bred.

In Moscow, cardui was found in normal habitats in 2008, although only a few were found. Atalanta, in the opinion of many, was very abundant this year in the MO (in those points where I was in the corresponding period, I noted this myself). In general, in my memory, the most golden year for atalanta in the Moscow Region (and in the surrounding areas) is 1974; later there were also good years at least twice. Lycaon in 2008 in the Moscow Region was where it should be, not as massive as, say, a year or two earlier, but still numerous; in Moscow-not numerous, as always. As for aegeria, it is locally numerous in the MO (like achine, which lives in approximately similar biotopes), and more widely - rare, somewhere-absent altogether (by the way, this year for the first time I had a chance to take a second-generation specimen in the south of the MO).

This post was edited by A. J. Elez - 12.03.2009 19: 20

Last weekend (June 6-7) in Murmino (Ryazan region, 30 km. to the east of Ryazan) on the paths in the pine forest - a large number of males. They look completely fresh.